Supreme Court rules East Oklahoma still a Indian Reservation

[Diopolis]

You probably didn't...not quite the same.

Hahaha...fucking what?

Newsflash buddy The citizens of Oklahoma aren't just going to take this. There will be backlash and there will be a response and it won't be pretty

If someone tries to redistribute land, it could get very ugly fast.
I doubt that's going to happen, not least since the supreme court ruling seems pretty specific that they can't. That being said, there's a lot of unanswered questions with regards to things like taxes, infrastructure, and law enforcement, in what's probably one of the most heavily armed regions of the world, which is full of little oddball communities trying to get away from everyone else, and which just so happens to be mountainous.
My gut feeling tells me the native tribes are not interested in trying to administer this region, and that everything will stay exactly the same but with stupider paperwork.

[Otira]

So instead of more integration,.. this. Oh and it was all over letting a child rapist walk... lovely. Still a lot of questions though.

Integration is so last century, dawg.

[Rio Cana]

Strange thing about all this is that Oklahoma was divided into Oklahoma territory (the western part) and eastern part which was made up of native reservations. Both the Western and Eastern parts wanted to become States. In the end, since the congress would not accept two states they were fused together. The important thing to remember is that if the natives had not agreed to have there half of eastern Ok. join western Ok. (OK. territory) to become a state that today only western OK. would be a state and the eastern part would still be a separate native reservation. Then we also have that fact that the natives in the Eastern part were a major player in writing the State constitution and all that. So if the natives were supportive of becoming a State which Oklahoma became, should there reservation status have been automatically dropped once the congress approved OK. has a state. The supreme court seems to be nitpicking.

[Greed and Death]

Strange thing about all this is that Oklahoma was divided into Oklahoma territory (the western part) and eastern part which was made up of native reservations. Both the Western and Eastern parts wanted to become States. In the end, since the congress would not accept two states they were fused together. The important thing to remember is that if the natives had not agreed to have there half of eastern Ok. join western Ok. (OK. territory) to become a state that today only western OK. would be a state and the eastern part would still be a separate native reservation. Then we also have that fact that the natives in the Eastern part were a major player in writing the State constitution and all that. So if the natives were supportive of becoming a State which Oklahoma became, should there reservation status have been automatically dropped once the congress approved OK. has a state. The supreme court seems to be nitpicking.

At that juncture in history reservations existed within states. So assuming the natives meant to give up their reservation in joining statehood is a bit much.

[MGTOWia]

Dealing with Indians is one topic on which the Founders were foolishly altruistic. Should have just conquered them. Give them citizenship once it's over. Otherwise, as the Romans would put it, "vae victis".

[Farnhamia]

Dealing with Indians is one topic on which the Founders were foolishly altruistic. Should have just conquered them. Give them citizenship once it's over. Otherwise, as the Romans would put it, "vae victis".

According to tradition, in 390 BC, an army of Gauls led by Brennus attacked Rome, capturing all of the city except for the Capitoline Hill. Brennus besieged the hill, and finally the Romans asked to ransom their city. Brennus demanded 1,000 pounds (329 kg) of gold and the Romans agreed to his terms.[2] According to Plutarch's life of Camillus and Livy's Ab Urbe Condita (Book 5 Sections 34–49),[3][4] the Gauls provided steelyard balances and weights which were used to measure the amount of gold. The Romans brought the gold, but claimed that the provided weights were rigged in the Gauls' favor. The Romans complained to Brennus, who took his sword, threw it onto the weights, and exclaimed, "Vae victis!" The Romans thus needed to bring more gold as they had to counterbalance the sword as well.

[Stylan]

Dealing with Indians is one topic on which the Founders were foolishly altruistic. Should have just conquered them. Give them citizenship once it's over. Otherwise, as the Romans would put it, "vae victis".

OK "MGTOWIA"

[Bassoe]

So the Supreme Court just gave away half your state without consent or a care that you've lived there for 100+ years? Don't worry your new Native American Overlords will treat you well. Ignore the fact they make up less than 15% of the population in the new reservation, and the fact they didn't care before now or anything.

Not like the governor won't send the national guard to retake his state's rightful territory, or other States joining them. This is all going to end well for everyone involved!

Newsflash buddy The citizens of Oklahoma aren't just going to take this. There will be backlash and there will be a response and it won't be pretty

Why would the tribe attempt to displace people instead of exploiting them as a source of tax revenue?

[Bear Stearns]

I hope people realize this effectively strips states of sovereignty and makes people living there federal citizens, and federal citizens only.

[Greed and Death]

I hope people realize this effectively strips states of sovereignty and makes people living there federal citizens, and federal citizens only.

If you are not a tribal citizen here is still state jurisdiction.

[Bear Stearns]

I hope people realize this effectively strips states of sovereignty and makes people living there federal citizens, and federal citizens only.

If you are not a tribal citizen here is still state jurisdiction.

Could easily be expanded to non-Indians

[Fartsniffage]

If you are not a tribal citizen here is still state jurisdiction.

Could easily be expanded to non-Indians

By what legal mechanism?

[Galloism]

If you are not a tribal citizen here is still state jurisdiction.

Could easily be expanded to non-Indians

Not unless Congress took action.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

You probably didn't...not quite the same.

Hahaha...fucking what?

Newsflash buddy The citizens of Oklahoma aren't just going to take this. There will be backlash and there will be a response and it won't be pretty

If it was right for Confederate soldiers to defend their homes why not Native Americans?

[MGTOWia]

Dealing with Indians is one topic on which the Founders were foolishly altruistic. Should have just conquered them. Give them citizenship once it's over. Otherwise, as the Romans would put it, "vae victis".

According to tradition, in 390 BC, an army of Gauls led by Brennus attacked Rome, capturing all of the city except for the Capitoline Hill. Brennus besieged the hill, and finally the Romans asked to ransom their city. Brennus demanded 1,000 pounds (329 kg) of gold and the Romans agreed to his terms.[2] According to Plutarch's life of Camillus and Livy's Ab Urbe Condita (Book 5 Sections 34–49),[3][4] the Gauls provided steelyard balances and weights which were used to measure the amount of gold. The Romans brought the gold, but claimed that the provided weights were rigged in the Gauls' favor. The Romans complained to Brennus, who took his sword, threw it onto the weights, and exclaimed, "Vae victis!" The Romans thus needed to bring more gold as they had to counterbalance the sword as well.

"Most of the events related by ancient historians about early Roman history are considered legends, with the Gaulish sack of Rome one of the first events which modern scholars are confident actually occurred, without accepting the colourful incidents reported by tradition."

See, I can cut and paste from Wikipedia too.

The important point is the meaning of the phrase, which remains: "Woe to the conquered."

[Tombradyonia]

I hope people realize this effectively strips states of sovereignty and makes people living there federal citizens, and federal citizens only.

Maybe they've only ever had de facto sovereignty to begin with.

IIRC, the series of treaties that Native American tribes signed throughout the 19th Century with the Federal government are seen as treaties between nations (emphasis on plural).
The collective Native American tribes effectively joined the United States along with their territory, in exchange for certain rights.

AFAIK these treaties are still valid, so if the collective Native American tribes would want to cancel these treaties, they could. In reality, they won't do this because of certain rights they have and their situation within the US is probably better than it would be without it. But they could if they wanted to. This is also why the Southern states could not leave the Union without the approval of the other states, because states joining the Union do not join as separate nations, but as a separate state into the nation.