the future of cities and centralised living

[Thepeopl]

I'm getting boring I sense.

Except solar panel farms, they are useful for that.

Shame that sandstorms exist

[Stylan]

Unironically, we need to redesign cities in accordance with psychogeograpy.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Except solar panel farms, they are useful for that.

Shame that sandstorms exist

Without sandstorm we may never have developed further into dance music. Which im fond of. So im gonna disagree here.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I'm getting boring I sense.

Except solar panel farms, they are useful for that.

Buildings covered in solar panels.

[Thepeopl]

Shame that sandstorms exist

Without sandstorm we may never have developed further into dance music. Which im fond of. So im gonna disagree here.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 1920304372

[San Lumen]

Unironically, we need to redesign cities in accordance with psychogeograpy.

What the heck are you talking about?

[Vetalia]

What the heck are you talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychogeography

Looks like a whole bunch of tenure-track word salad bullshit to me.

[San Lumen]

What the heck are you talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychogeography

Looks like a whole bunch of tenure-track word salad bullshit to me.

After reading the article Im totally confused as to what it is.

[Thepeopl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychogeography

Looks like a whole bunch of tenure-track word salad bullshit to me.

After reading the article Im totally confused as to what it is.

And that is exactly as it should be. It is art! You have to explore and find new ideas daily in the city. It has to inspire, entice and amaze you.

https://youtu.be/ZzxuftgFuoE

https://youtu.be/2Ho4Z9P5kro

[Rojava Free State]

Every City will become Warren someday.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Every City will become Warren someday.

Na bros, the opposite, were going to have a few central towers over a subterranean vertical farm stack, surrounded by lush forest and rolling hills.

[San Lumen]

Every City will become Warren someday.

What are you talking about?

[The Cazistan]

pfft, urbanites
https://imgur.com/gallery/ZyiH6GG

[Czechostan]

Unironically, we need to redesign cities in accordance with psychogeograpy.

I really liked Christchurch a lot. There was a group called Gap Filler that developed vacant spaces that were destroyed by the earthquake. Like they created a giant game controller/TV screen to play arcade games like space invaders on. And they created a dance floor that can be hooked up to bluetooth devices. I don't know if it counts as psychogeography, but it certainly created playful spaces that might have otherwise been grey buildings or lots.

[Trollgaard]

After reading the article Im totally confused as to what it is.

And that is exactly as it should be. It is art! You have to explore and find new ideas daily in the city. It has to inspire, entice and amaze you.

https://youtu.be/ZzxuftgFuoE

https://youtu.be/2Ho4Z9P5kro

Why is the point of that wastefulness?

[San Lumen]

And that is exactly as it should be. It is art! You have to explore and find new ideas daily in the city. It has to inspire, entice and amaze you.

https://youtu.be/ZzxuftgFuoE

https://youtu.be/2Ho4Z9P5kro

Why is the point of that wastefulness?

What does art have to do with this?

[Sundiata]

I love cities, they're far more efficient than rural living. It also makes spreading the gospel easier.

[Luziyca]

I don't think cities will go away, though I'd imagine downtowns will probably be emptier for a while, as some offices stay closed permanently, as well as other businesses dependent on the traffic. I do think that downtowns will probably be far more residential than they are today, to be honest, especially in the long run.

But I don't really plan on leaving the city for the countryside, as much as I'd love to live in Jasper or Vaduz or some other mountain town, given services are easier to access, and you don't need a car to go literally anywhere in the urban core.

[San Lumen]

I don't think cities will go away, though I'd imagine downtowns will probably be emptier for a while, as some offices stay closed permanently, as well as other businesses dependent on the traffic. I do think that downtowns will probably be far more residential than they are today, to be honest, especially in the long run.

But I don't really plan on leaving the city for the countryside, as much as I'd love to live in Jasper or Vaduz or some other mountain town, given services are easier to access, and you don't need a car to go literally anywhere in the urban core.

hopefully rent prices in downtowns drop. I dont think your going to see large scale decease in office spaces.

[Ifreann]

I think that this is one of those times where people have been taken in by all the talk of "these unprecedented times", as if this is the first disease outbreak in human history.

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I do see many knowledge based jobs moving to the suburbs. The pandemic hit urban centers hard and many people who were middle road about an over priced urban apartment or a home will likely opt for a home.

Also certain cities are targeting their major corporations with special taxes (looking at you Seattle). I for see a lot more semi-decentralized work forces in the future with companies setting up shop in the near suburbs so their employees can live in the far suburbs.

I see pretty much every job that can being done from home. There's no reason to pay for office space if you don't strictly need it. And its not like there isn't already flexible short term office space arrangements already, for when you have to have it.

And just the loss of tax revenue is going to make city centres unaffordable to continue as the services required to maintain them are expensive.

The technology that facilitates working from home was not invented in February. What is possible now was possible last year, and the year before that, and so on back to the 80s and 90s, though obviously less so back then. But businesses have largely avoided letter people work from home until now. Why? Because when your workers are at home, how do you, an employers, know they're working? If they're in the office a manager can patrol and look over people's shoulders and keep their noses to the grindstone, a manager can stay late and discourage anyone in the office from leaving "early" at 5pm, a manager can identify the people completing their assigned tasks quickly and try to pressure them into doing more work without more pay. But when everyone's working form home? You can schedule video meetings, sure, but for all you know your workers haven't even put on pants for those. You only know that the assigned work is done, or isn't done. And for employers, that isn't enough control.

Of course, now that so many people are working from home the change might stick. But I am calling it now, expect to see employers pushing to get as many people as possible back into the office once they can do it without looking too evil. In fact, I expect that they will play up the fact that some people don't want to work from home, they prefer to have a greater separation between their home and their workplace.

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I'm getting boring I sense.

Except solar panel farms, they are useful for that.

It always pleases me when I remember that the solar power plant in New Vegas is a real place.

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And that is exactly as it should be. It is art! You have to explore and find new ideas daily in the city. It has to inspire, entice and amaze you.

https://youtu.be/ZzxuftgFuoE

https://youtu.be/2Ho4Z9P5kro

Why is the point of that wastefulness?

The point is art.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Population density is a very controversial subject. It is common among poorer developing regions of the word such as Bangladesh or the Philippines, but also in developed places such as Japan. It is frowned upon by many, but could it be the future of urban living? The more densely populated cities are, the less they sprawl and thus use up much less land. People would also likely socialize more as people live in close proximity to one another. This could help reduce effects of over population if build alongside vertical farming or apartments become self sustaining. People wouldn't necessarily need cars as the more densely populated an area is, the more self sustaining it becomes. There are down sides of course, for example during a pandemic. It would be very difficult to control the spread of a disease in such a densely populated environment.

I find it a very interesting topic of discussion and I think it would be worth gathering people's views on it on this thread.

[San Lumen]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=488254

This would easily fit into this discussion.

[Greed and Death]

Live in the suburbs and own a house no other way to live frankly

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Population density is a very controversial subject. It is common among poorer developing regions of the word such as Bangladesh or the Philippines, but also in developed places such as Japan. It is frowned upon by many, but could it be the future of urban living? The more densely populated cities are, the less they sprawl and thus use up much less land. People would also likely socialize more as people live in close proximity to one another. This could help reduce effects of over population if build alongside vertical farming or apartments become self sustaining. People wouldn't necessarily need cars as the more densely populated an area is, the more self sustaining it becomes. There are down sides of course, for example during a pandemic. It would be very difficult to control the spread of a disease in such a densely populated environment.

[Novus America]

Population density is a very controversial subject. It is common among poorer developing regions of the word such as Bangladesh or the Philippines, but also in developed places such as Japan. It is frowned upon by many, but could it be the future of urban living? The more densely populated cities are, the less they sprawl and thus use up much less land. People would also likely socialize more as people live in close proximity to one another. This could help reduce effects of over population if build alongside vertical farming or apartments become self sustaining. People wouldn't necessarily need cars as the more densely populated an area is, the more self sustaining it becomes. There are down sides of course, for example during a pandemic. It would be very difficult to control the spread of a disease in such a densely populated environment.

Densely populated areas will never be self sustaining. Even vehicle farming will never produce nearly enough food to support the population of a dense city, roof top solar and such becomes less viable (as you have less roof space for people). It also means fewer people can afford homes, more people crammed together can create adverse effects, and as pointed out very dense cities and public transportation are also ill suited for pandemics, and also other disasters, a spread out population is less vulnerable to nuclear attacks, and not as easily devastated by a single localized disaster. And public transport collapses in a disaster were having a private vehicle gives you much more flexibility.

Medium density is probably a good compromise many places. We just need to do it better, a medium density suburb can be made walkable by distributing smaller shopping centers more evenly and using proper road planning. Actually many of the earlier inner suburbs are walkable and well planned, even if the later McMansion types are not.

That and using electrification of cars and nuclearization of electric production solves air pollution from cars anyways.