the future of cities and centralised living

[San Lumen]

Personally, on the one hand I hate cities and never want to live in one, and on the other I love cities because that's 14 million people not flooding the countrysides that I value so highly, diluting the culture and being cluelessly city-mouse.

Diluting your culture how?

[Broader Confederate States]

Personally, on the one hand I hate cities and never want to live in one, and on the other I love cities because that's 14 million people not flooding the countrysides that I value so highly, diluting the culture and being cluelessly city-mouse.

Diluting your culture how?

There was someone my dad used to know back in the late seventies or early eighties before he enlisted in the Navy, came all the way to sleepy little middle Tennessee where they make Jack Daniel's from San Jose, CA. Constantly said "well, here's how we do it in California, try this instead" when they were doing stuff out there. Tried to open up a mesquite barbecue place in a hickory state. SImply refused to adapt to the local culture. No doubt if they'd have stayed for too long, they'd try to vote California into Tennessee.

[Kowani]

Diluting your culture how?

There was someone my dad used to know back in the late seventies or early eighties before he enlisted in the Navy, came all the way to sleepy little middle Tennessee where they make Jack Daniel's from San Jose, CA. Constantly said "well, here's how we do it in California, try this instead" when they were doing stuff out there. Tried to open up a mesquite barbecue place in a hickory state. SImply refused to adapt to the local culture. No doubt if they'd have stayed for too long, they'd try to vote California into Tennessee.

…That’s not really evidence of what you think it is. Everyone brings their culture with them when they move. It’s how cultures mix.

[Broader Confederate States]

Diluting your culture how?

…That’s not really evidence of what you think it is. Everyone brings their culture with them when they move. It’s how cultures mix.

Stop, take a breather for a sec, and reflect.
Emphasis added.
And yeah, the post below explains it better than I could. Not an issue on the strength of one anecdote, but on the scale of, say, NYC fleeing NYC and going to live in the Carolinas or whatever, it can be.

[Novus America]

There was someone my dad used to know back in the late seventies or early eighties before he enlisted in the Navy, came all the way to sleepy little middle Tennessee where they make Jack Daniel's from San Jose, CA. Constantly said "well, here's how we do it in California, try this instead" when they were doing stuff out there. Tried to open up a mesquite barbecue place in a hickory state. SImply refused to adapt to the local culture. No doubt if they'd have stayed for too long, they'd try to vote California into Tennessee.

…That’s not really evidence of what you think it is. Everyone brings their culture with them when they move. It’s how cultures mix.

There is a difference though between bringing in some aspects of your culture, and failing to respect the culture you are coming into. If you refuse to respect the culture you moved into, and expect it to be changed to entirely your culture then that is a problem.

Although you can retain aspects of your previous culture that are not mutually exclusive to the new culture, you are still expected to adapt to and embrace the new culture.

[Kowani]

…That’s not really evidence of what you think it is. Everyone brings their culture with them when they move. It’s how cultures mix.

There is a difference though between bringing in some aspects of your culture, and failing to respect the culture you are coming into. If you refuse to respect the culture you moved into, and expect it to be changed to entirely your culture then that is a problem.

Although you can retain aspects of your previous culture that are not mutually exclusive to the new culture, you are still expected to adapt to and embrace the new culture.

Yeah, I’m not arguing that some people refuse to change. The guy BCS referred to was an example of someone who was just extremely disrespectful of the local culture (though I’m not sure how the barbecue thing is an example of that.) My point is less on the individual and more that there isn’t a mass attempt to “dilute his culture”, because most people realize you’re supposed to adapt, at least to some degree. If you move to, say, Saudi Arabia, you shouldn’t be expected to attend the execution of homosexuals, but trying a Kleeja isn’t the end of the world.

[Broader Confederate States]

There is a difference though between bringing in some aspects of your culture, and failing to respect the culture you are coming into. If you refuse to respect the culture you moved into, and expect it to be changed to entirely your culture then that is a problem.

Although you can retain aspects of your previous culture that are not mutually exclusive to the new culture, you are still expected to adapt to and embrace the new culture.

Yeah, I’m not arguing that some people refuse to change. The guy BCS referred to was an example of someone who was just extremely disrespectful of the local culture (though I’m not sure how the barbecue thing is an example of that.) My point is less on the individual and more that there isn’t a mass attempt to “dilute his culture”, because most people realize you’re supposed to adapt, at least to some degree. If you move to, say, Saudi Arabia, you shouldn’t be expected to attend the execution of homosexuals, but trying a Kleeja isn’t the end of the world.

I'm going off the strength of one anecdote, but there is never only one example of something. If the NY metro decided to one day flood South Carolina, for instance, then you'd expect at the very minimum a couple thousand people to bring NYC with them right? Combine that with the millions that still have the NY worldview, and you get what happened to Florida.

[Kowani]

Yeah, I’m not arguing that some people refuse to change. The guy BCS referred to was an example of someone who was just extremely disrespectful of the local culture (though I’m not sure how the barbecue thing is an example of that.) My point is less on the individual and more that there isn’t a mass attempt to “dilute his culture”, because most people realize you’re supposed to adapt, at least to some degree. If you move to, say, Saudi Arabia, you shouldn’t be expected to attend the execution of homosexuals, but trying a Kleeja isn’t the end of the world.

I'm going off the strength of one anecdote, but there is never only one example of something. If the NY metro decided to one day flood South Carolina, for instance, then you'd expect at the very minimum a couple thousand people to bring NYC with them right? Combine that with the millions that still have the NY worldview, and you get what happened to Florida.

Well, no. That’s not how culture works. The NYC mentality is caused by the population density and ethnic concentrations of NYC. Assuming that the New Yorkers dispersed over SC, instead of settling down all in one area, then their kids’ views would be influenced by the South Carolinians, and in two generations, maybe 3, they’d see a great deal of assimilation.

[San Lumen]

Diluting your culture how?

There was someone my dad used to know back in the late seventies or early eighties before he enlisted in the Navy, came all the way to sleepy little middle Tennessee where they make Jack Daniel's from San Jose, CA. Constantly said "well, here's how we do it in California, try this instead" when they were doing stuff out there. Tried to open up a mesquite barbecue place in a hickory state. SImply refused to adapt to the local culture. No doubt if they'd have stayed for too long, they'd try to vote California into Tennessee.

I dont see your point

[Ethel mermania]

I'm going off the strength of one anecdote, but there is never only one example of something. If the NY metro decided to one day flood South Carolina, for instance, then you'd expect at the very minimum a couple thousand people to bring NYC with them right? Combine that with the millions that still have the NY worldview, and you get what happened to Florida.

Well, no. That’s not how culture works. The NYC mentality is caused by the population density and ethnic concentrations of NYC. Assuming that the New Yorkers dispersed over SC, instead of settling down all in one area, then their kids’ views would be influenced by the South Carolinians, and in two generations, maybe 3, they’d see a great deal of assimilation.

I dont think you have spend much time in miami or fort Lauderdale.

[Kowani]

Well, no. That’s not how culture works. The NYC mentality is caused by the population density and ethnic concentrations of NYC. Assuming that the New Yorkers dispersed over SC, instead of settling down all in one area, then their kids’ views would be influenced by the South Carolinians, and in two generations, maybe 3, they’d see a great deal of assimilation.

I dont think you have spend much time in miami or fort Lauderdale.

...I explicitly said that the main predictor of liberalism vs conservatism was population density and ethnic diversity. Why you expected a highly dense city with a population that is a third African American to be a rebuttal to my argument indicates that you either did not understand, or merely skimmed my post.

[Ethel mermania]

I dont think you have spend much time in miami or fort Lauderdale.

...I explicitly said that the main predictor of liberalism vs conservatism was population density and ethnic diversity. Why you expected a highly dense city with a population that is a third African American to be a rebuttal to my argument indicates that you either did not understand, or merely skimmed my post.

I did read your post. I stand by mine, south east Florida has a distinct nyc transplant feel, that the rest of the state does not. What you said may go for Orlando, not miami-dade.

[Ifreann]

Weird that people have the same assigned tasks in the office as at home, but in the office far more labour is being extracted from them for no extra pay.

It’s all a secret capitalist conspiracy propagated by the bourgeoisie to oppress the proletariat and keep them under

It's not a secret or a conspiracy, it's just capitalism being capitalism. It is in the economic interests of employers to get the most work possible out of their employees for the least pay.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It’s all a secret capitalist conspiracy propagated by the bourgeoisie to oppress the proletariat and keep them under

It's not a secret or a conspiracy, it's just capitalism being capitalism. It is in the economic interests of employers to get the most work possible out of their employees for the least pay.

If I'm representative of people trying to work from home, they just work less because there are more distractions. They're "multitasking" ie dicking around.

[Kowani]

...I explicitly said that the main predictor of liberalism vs conservatism was population density and ethnic diversity. Why you expected a highly dense city with a population that is a third African American to be a rebuttal to my argument indicates that you either did not understand, or merely skimmed my post.

I did read your post. I stand by mine, south east Florida has a distinct nyc transplant feel, that the rest of the state does not. What you said may go for Orlando, not miami-dade.

Okay. 1: I want data on migration from NYC to Miami.
2: The population density of Orlando is much lower than that of Miami-Dade, which is evidence of my points.
3: You don’t understand what I’m talking about at all.

[Ethel mermania]

I did read your post. I stand by mine, south east Florida has a distinct nyc transplant feel, that the rest of the state does not. What you said may go for Orlando, not miami-dade.

Okay. 1: I want data on migration from NYC to Miami.
2: The population density of Orlando is much lower than that of Miami-Dade, which is evidence of my points.
3: You don’t understand what I’m talking about at all.

Whatever you say.

[FutureAmerica]

Future cities will require zero emission vehicles within its limits and control private vehicle congestion using variable tolls. This will control urban air pollution. There will be large numbers of green spaces throughout the city and reduce the number of roads due to widespread metro systems.

[Risottia]

Are cities living on borrowed time?

No, for better or worse.

For better.
Cities are much more efficient than dispersed villages. Just like high-rises are much more efficient than suburbs.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

And they're environmental disasters.

City's are horrid cesspool of bad planning corruption and mental health issues. A diffuse rural population is easily the better option.

Other way around. Cities have public transit. People in small towns drive where they want to go.

I grew up in a small town where newspaper editorials bash city-dwellers all the time; whereas the city-dwellers themselves actually just lived their lives. You wouldn't see the cities' newspaper editorials talk about small-town residents the way small-town residents talk about them. So I'd need something specific as far as reasoning goes for the blame of cities for mental health issues. If anything it seems to be the small town types who are losing their minds.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Studies have repeatedly shown that working on site is almost 4 times as productive than working from home. Not to mention, for many people, work is basically the third main social sphere after friend group and family

Any particular source on "4 times as productive"? Preferably one that states the reasons and what can be done about them?

And who cares about the social sphere of work? I'd rather meet someone for having something more meaningful than "we both chose to sell our souls for this particular company/public service" in common.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And they're environmental disasters.

City's are horrid cesspool of bad planning corruption and mental health issues. A diffuse rural population is easily the better option.

Other way around. Cities have public transit. People in small towns drive where they want to go.

I grew up in a small town where newspaper editorials bash city-dwellers all the time; whereas the city-dwellers themselves actually just lived their lives. You wouldn't see the cities' newspaper editorials talk about small-town residents the way small-town residents talk about them. So I'd need something specific as far as reasoning goes for the blame of cities for mental health issues. If anything it seems to be the small town types who are losing their minds.

Mental health issues usually go unrecorded because there's no psychiatrist (psychologist etc) to diagnose them.

"Mad John up on the ridge isn't really mad. Never saw a doctor in his life"

[Upper Nan]

Don't worry, we're all living on borrowed time because our species is fucked. Won't need cities when everything is Mad Max land. Then again, we could get a Judge Dredd situation where there's nothing but cities, but that seems less likely given how hard a large city would be to maintain after centralized governments collapse.

[San Lumen]

Don't worry, we're all living on borrowed time because our species is fucked. Won't need cities when everything is Mad Max land. Then again, we could get a Judge Dredd situation where there's nothing but cities, but that seems less likely given how hard a large city would be to maintain after centralized governments collapse.

What utter nonsense

[Upper Nan]

Don't worry, we're all living on borrowed time because our species is fucked. Won't need cities when everything is Mad Max land. Then again, we could get a Judge Dredd situation where there's nothing but cities, but that seems less likely given how hard a large city would be to maintain after centralized governments collapse.

What utter nonsense

How so?

[Purpelia]

There was someone my dad used to know back in the late seventies or early eighties before he enlisted in the Navy, came all the way to sleepy little middle Tennessee where they make Jack Daniel's from San Jose, CA. Constantly said "well, here's how we do it in California, try this instead" when they were doing stuff out there. Tried to open up a mesquite barbecue place in a hickory state. SImply refused to adapt to the local culture. No doubt if they'd have stayed for too long, they'd try to vote California into Tennessee.

…That’s not really evidence of what you think it is. Everyone brings their culture with them when they move. It’s how cultures mix.

That's really not what people want them to do though. Nor is it what you are supposed to do. When you move to another place you are supposed to make an effort to leave your old culture behind and assimilate into your new one so as to not ruin that place for those already living there.

What utter nonsense

How so?

Governments won't collapse. And if they do they will be replaced by new ones. Or by identically looking but differently named substitutes. Humans by their nature are a social species and thus congregate in groups. And groups naturally create hierarchical systems of power. You don't even need huge groups for this either. Just look at any group of say 20 - 30 people. Just enough for there to be subgroups. You'll immediately see cliques and a pecking order. School classes are a good example of this.