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Postby Drexel Burnham Lambert » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:23 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:If only Trump didn't start with his "enemy of the people" rhetoric. He's giving the media the sense of persecution they need and making them look like valiant heroes. This is similar to the white supremacist issue in the sense that you ought to leave said person alone and let them talk, so then society gets to see how much of a cocksucker they really are.

The news aren't enemies of the people. They're just sociopathic weirdos who love it when something bad or controversial happens, and sometimes they'll even start the controversy (like in this case) so they can get that money. Most mainstream news whether left or right is full of real pathetic losers. I think it's about time they get the respect they deserve, which is none at all.


The media isn't being persecuted unless you want to tell me that AT&T, Comcast, Disney, and Viacom are all being oppressed.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:23 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Reminder that the ideology pushed by the media and which Vass has internalized has been scientifically proven to produce a lack of empathy for white people. This kind of dismissive attitude is a consequence of that.

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/articl ... _privilege


You've been sounding that alarm bell for quite a while, but now I'm starting to believe it. There's a right way to act and a wrong way to act, and you shouldn't treat people differently based on characteristics that people cannot change.

But white man bad. Twitter told me so.

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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:24 pm

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MBFC isn't the same thing, though it's similar.
His idea is a bit closer in concept to RateMyProfessor.


That's a great idea!


Kowani wrote:WaPo sucks, I thought this was known.

Though I had not heard about this level of…incompetence? Maliciousness?


It's not incompetent, it's downright malicious.
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Postby Drongonia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:24 pm

Yeah because completely doxxing someone and ruining their lives is a justifiable reaction to blackface at a party. The free press is a joke and should be destroyed, or at least bought into line.

Not to mention the fact that the person in question will most likely not "learn their lesson" and will just develop a (very justified) resentment towards WaPo and maybe even become more racist/radical.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:26 pm

Drexel Burnham Lambert wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:If only Trump didn't start with his "enemy of the people" rhetoric. He's giving the media the sense of persecution they need and making them look like valiant heroes. This is similar to the white supremacist issue in the sense that you ought to leave said person alone and let them talk, so then society gets to see how much of a cocksucker they really are.

The news aren't enemies of the people. They're just sociopathic weirdos who love it when something bad or controversial happens, and sometimes they'll even start the controversy (like in this case) so they can get that money. Most mainstream news whether left or right is full of real pathetic losers. I think it's about time they get the respect they deserve, which is none at all.


The media isn't being persecuted unless you want to tell me that AT&T, Comcast, Disney, and Viacom are all being oppressed.

They are being very very oppressed, they aren’t allowed a hand in the COVID relief and benefits for the poor cookie jar. Because fuck the little guy, corporations are oppressed more
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Postby James_xenoland » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:28 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Readers within the Post newsroom were asking the question, too. “No one I’ve spoken with at the Post can figure out why we published this story,” said one prominent reporter at the paper. “We blew up this woman’s life for no reason.”

Employees at “Style” — the paper’s premiere location for long-form storytelling — were confused and displeased to see the piece running on their turf, two Post employees with knowledge of the situation said. Neither Fisher nor Trent works for the “Style” desk, though as newspapers have gotten increasingly focused on digital distribution, the walls between newspaper sections have become more porous.

Why Did the Washington Post Get This Woman Fired?

The choice to run the story seems to have violated internal guidelines, and was a astonishingly poor decision in its own right as well.


This quote:

“Employees of the Washington Post, including a prominent host, were involved in this incident, which impelled us to tell the story ourselves thoroughly and accurately while allowing all involved to have their say,” said Kris Coratti, a spokesperson for the paper. “The piece conveys with nuance and sensitivity the complex, emotionally fraught circumstances that unfolded at the party attended by media figures only two years ago where an individual in blackface was not told promptly to leave. America’s grappling with racism has entered a phase in which people who once felt they should keep quiet are now raising their voices in public. The story is a microcosm of what the country is going through right now.”

More from the actual article:

Gruber, a 27-year-old management consultant, told Toles that the incident had “weighed heavily on my heart — it was abhorrent and egregious.” She asked him to help her identify the woman.

“After the killing of George Floyd and the protests, I began reflecting more on this incident,” Gruber said in an email seeking Post coverage of the incident.

I wanted to know who this woman is. . . . What impact does she have on society? I think this is an important story — that a party full of prominent people in Washington welcomed a person in blackface, danced and drank with her, and watched in silence as she harassed two young women of color.”


My god.. The sheer level of pompous entitlement and hysterical overreaction.... just..... Victimhood and cancel culture is what true privilege looks like! The ability to ruin lives over merely being offended (in the very BEST of cases) and then continue to cry and whine while pretending to be a "victim".. and god help everyone if their is even the slightest pushback or negative reaction!
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:28 pm

The Frankfurt school movements have gone far enough. Time to start removing these woke fools from positions of power and influence.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:29 pm

Drongonia wrote:Yeah because completely doxxing someone and ruining their lives is a justifiable reaction to blackface at a party. The free press is a joke and should be destroyed, or at least bought into line.

Not to mention the fact that the person in question will most likely not "learn their lesson" and will just develop a (very justified) resentment towards WaPo and maybe even become more racist/radical.

Ya know back in the 80s the FCC required that news be true and not harmful to people. Then St Raygun got that rule chucked out because it was bad for business.

Maybe we should go back to that?
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:30 pm

Drongonia wrote:Yeah because completely doxxing someone and ruining their lives is a justifiable reaction to blackface at a party. The free press is a joke and should be destroyed, or at least bought into line.

Not to mention the fact that the person in question will most likely not "learn their lesson" and will just develop a (very justified) resentment towards WaPo and maybe even become more racist/radical.

But... but government oppression!

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Postby Bassoe » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:31 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Esotyrica wrote:journalists are snooty

the only journalist i like is piper from fallout but she doesnt exist

honestly watching national media is pointless just watch the local news if you want things that are relatively unbiased


I really believe that the news media is responsible for America's mass shooting epidemic. I can imagine some rando loser would wanna go shoot a school up if he sees the news turning shooters into celebrities every five seconds.

I swear we hear more about Eric Harris and Dylan Kleybold than we hear about their victims. The media fuels the flames because they're disaster artists who make money and earn their ratings through violence.

Has this ever been proven? Someone's life was ruined by being Canceled, so they went on a suicide-by-cop 'vengeance' spree. Well, besides Marvin Heemeyer trying to flatten the city zoning commission with a weaponized bulldozer after they tried to reposes his business.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Prosa wrote:So you believe that the government should be able to control what news the people see? Yeah, that’s definitely always ended well.

He doesn’t but I do.

The government controlling the narrative always ends up in the populace being fed lies that only exist to make the regime look “good”.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:32 pm

Bassoe wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I really believe that the news media is responsible for America's mass shooting epidemic. I can imagine some rando loser would wanna go shoot a school up if he sees the news turning shooters into celebrities every five seconds.

I swear we hear more about Eric Harris and Dylan Kleybold than we hear about their victims. The media fuels the flames because they're disaster artists who make money and earn their ratings through violence.

Has this ever been proven? Someone's life was ruined by being Canceled, so they went on a suicide-by-cop 'vengeance' spree. Well, besides Marvin Heemeyer trying to flatten the city zoning commission with a weaponized bulldozer after they tried to reposes his business.


It's almost like all the people they're cancelling for supporting violent ideologies, aren't violent. Hence the lack of violence from cancelled individuals. Meanwhile, they're explaining away and signal boosting actual violent movements like BLM.
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Postby Intaglio » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:32 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:If only Trump didn't start with his "enemy of the people" rhetoric. He's giving the media the sense of persecution they need and making them look like valiant heroes. This is similar to the white supremacist issue in the sense that you ought to leave said person alone and let them talk, so then society gets to see how much of a cocksucker they really are.

The news aren't enemies of the people. They're just sociopathic weirdos who love it when something bad or controversial happens, and sometimes they'll even start the controversy (like in this case) so they can get that money. Most mainstream news whether left or right is full of real pathetic losers. I think it's about time they get the respect they deserve, which is none at all.

I mostly agree with this; what we really need is to tear down this current system of media bias; we need to call out everyone, whether liberal or conservative, for their biases and hold them accountable regardless of our own political standing. We need a press that will just report the news as is and leave the people to form their own opinions. Honestly, we don't even need 24-hr news channels anymore; news is pretty much instantaneous nowadays thanks to the internet.

The part I don't agree with is saying that newspeople/journalists are sociopaths; I think people forget sometimes that these big news organizations are just autonomous beings who need to be defeated; there are individuals there who have their own reasons, some good, some bad for doing the things they do or being on the news source they are. We shouldn't dehumanize them just because we have a problem with the media. Grated, I'm a bit biased here because I had originally planed on becoming a journalist, but still I believe my point stands.

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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:33 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Bassoe wrote:Has this ever been proven? Someone's life was ruined by being Canceled, so they went on a suicide-by-cop 'vengeance' spree. Well, besides Marvin Heemeyer trying to flatten the city zoning commission with a weaponized bulldozer after they tried to reposes his business.


It's almost like all the people they're cancelling for supporting violent ideologies, aren't violent. Hence the lack of violence from cancelled individuals. Meanwhile, they're explaining away and signal boosting actual violent movements like BLM.

They're (not most... only some) egging on the "violence is the voice of the unheard" theme.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:33 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He doesn’t but I do.

The government controlling the narrative always ends up in the populace being fed lies that only exist to make the regime look “good”.

We already have it anyway. It’s just controlled by the ultra rich instead of the government
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:35 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He doesn’t but I do.

The government controlling the narrative always ends up in the populace being fed lies that only exist to make the regime look “good”.


We're currently being fed lies in order to make the populace look bad. It's also notable that the press basically controls government policy through its behavior, and you can't hold them accountable. So you've already got the populace being fed a narrative about how certain government actions are "Good", and no amount of public backlash will change it. At least a government controlled press, you can elect a new government and thus a new press.

What is the functional difference between a state controlled press and the current arrangement, except that our current arrangement is entirely undemocratic in terms of the press?
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Postby Intaglio » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:35 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:The Frankfurt school movements have gone far enough. Time to start removing these woke fools from positions of power and influence.

And replace them with.....who exactly? Also, Frankfurt School? Please don't tell me you're one of those people who believe in that "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy nonsense.
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:36 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:The government controlling the narrative always ends up in the populace being fed lies that only exist to make the regime look “good”.


We're currently being fed lies in order to make the populace look bad. It's also notable that the press basically controls government policy through its behavior, and you can't hold them accountable. So you've already got the populace being fed a narrative about how certain government actions are "Good", and no amount of public backlash will change it. At least a government controlled press, you can elect a new government and thus a new press.

What is the functional difference between a state controlled press and the current arrangement, except that our current arrangement is entirely undemocratic in terms of the press?

You want a state media like how China or North Korea does state media? That's how you get one.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:The government controlling the narrative always ends up in the populace being fed lies that only exist to make the regime look “good”.

We already have it anyway. It’s just controlled by the ultra rich instead of the government

Doesn’t make government controlled lies any better.
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Postby Drongonia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Ya know back in the 80s the FCC required that news be true and not harmful to people. Then St Raygun got that rule chucked out because it was bad for business.
Maybe we should go back to that?


Something like that sounds good, although I'm not familiar with the particulars.

Diarcesia wrote:But... but government oppression!

Damn bro kinda don't care :rofl:

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:37 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
We're currently being fed lies in order to make the populace look bad. It's also notable that the press basically controls government policy through its behavior, and you can't hold them accountable. So you've already got the populace being fed a narrative about how certain government actions are "Good", and no amount of public backlash will change it. At least a government controlled press, you can elect a new government and thus a new press.

What is the functional difference between a state controlled press and the current arrangement, except that our current arrangement is entirely undemocratic in terms of the press?

You want a state media like how China or North Korea does state media? That's how you get one.


Those countries aren't democratic. Big difference. There, the fundamental problem remains the same, the press is unaccountable and cannot be replaced by the public.
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:38 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya know back in the 80s the FCC required that news be true and not harmful to people. Then St Raygun got that rule chucked out because it was bad for business.
Maybe we should go back to that?


Something like that sounds good, although I'm not familiar with the particulars.

Diarcesia wrote:But... but government oppression!

Damn bro kinda don't care :rofl:

Free press is not a free pass to do unethical acts.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:38 pm

Isn't there already enough current news of actually bad stuff for them to talk about instead of digging this up again after years solely to rile up the hate mob against someone for this nonissue?
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:39 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:You want a state media like how China or North Korea does state media? That's how you get one.


Those countries aren't democratic. Big difference. There, the fundamental problem remains the same, the press is unaccountable and cannot be replaced by the public.

The free press is accountable to the wallet.

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Postby Drongonia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:39 pm

Diarcesia wrote:Free press is not a free pass to do unethical acts.

That's true, but that's how it is being used by the modern media.

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