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Postby East Blepia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:32 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
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Dictator actually.

I was about to say "That doesn't sound like to much of a change" but why a dictator?


The current leader is a dictator. He has ruled for a grand while.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:39 am

East Blepia wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I was about to say "That doesn't sound like to much of a change" but why a dictator?


The current leader is a dictator. He has ruled for a grand while.

Not every ruler that spends a lot of time in power is a dictator. For comparison I just looked them up on Wikipedia and Merkel has been at the head of Germany longer than this guy has been head of Montenegro. So is she an evil dictator? Well, ok maybe evil.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:59 am

Purpelia wrote:
East Blepia wrote:
The current leader is a dictator. He has ruled for a grand while.

Not every ruler that spends a lot of time in power is a dictator. For comparison I just looked them up on Wikipedia and Merkel has been at the head of Germany longer than this guy has been head of Montenegro. So is she an evil dictator? Well, ok maybe evil.


The question is did he get reelected fair and square?

It's the Balkans. What do you think?
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:01 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Not every ruler that spends a lot of time in power is a dictator. For comparison I just looked them up on Wikipedia and Merkel has been at the head of Germany longer than this guy has been head of Montenegro. So is she an evil dictator? Well, ok maybe evil.


The question is did he get reelected fair and square?

It's the Balkans. What do you think?

I think that without evidence we can't tell and that it is unreasonable to make assumptions based on broad generalizations such as region and ethnicity.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:36 pm

Not wanting to start a new thread I added Serbia to the possible list. Decided too after watching a second video (see below), presented by someone from Slovenia, on what is happening in Serbia. There have been protests and severe push back by the government against protesters. Seems it has more to do with rigged elections then the virus. And has with MNE. not much has really been reported by the worlds news services.

I really did not think that MNE. and Serbia were going through such turmoil. Democracy seems to be under assault. In comparison, the Dominican Republic just had there general elections on Sunday. An opposition party won with a majority vote. Politics in that nation is expected to take a a 180 degree turn. The new Pres. ran on better economy and stamping out corruption. All the other political parties even congratulated the winner.

Video of what happening in Belgrade - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYq7nDACqTo
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:35 pm

My dad once said Europeans don't fight wars like how Middle Eastern always do.

He must have forgot about the Balkans.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:48 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Not every ruler that spends a lot of time in power is a dictator. For comparison I just looked them up on Wikipedia and Merkel has been at the head of Germany longer than this guy has been head of Montenegro. So is she an evil dictator? Well, ok maybe evil.


The question is did he get reelected fair and square?

It's the Balkans. What do you think?

“It is important that fundamental freedoms of assembly and speech, for example, were respected in this election, and that the candidates were able to campaign freely and to reach voters through the media,” said Tana de Zulueta, head of the long-term election observation mission from the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights. “At the same time, they were not able to compete on a level playing field, as the frontrunner enjoyed the advantages that the ruling party, which he leads, has consolidated over its 27 years in power.”

Fundamental freedoms respected in Montenegro presidential election, governing party candidate had institutional advantage, international observers say
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:50 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:My dad once said Europeans don't fight wars like how Middle Eastern always do.

He must have forgot about the Balkans.

Both these statements are bad in their own right.

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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:54 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:watch yet another savage balkan conflict start a world war

>savage balkan
Good job. I bet you supported NATO's cruel bombing of my homeland as well as supporting terrorist groups to stop the "savage Serbs"
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:55 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I was about to say "That doesn't sound like to much of a change" but why a dictator?


The current leader is a dictator. He has ruled for a grand while.

>one term
>dictator
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:57 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:My dad once said Europeans don't fight wars like how Middle Eastern always do.

He must have forgot about the Balkans.

Oh, no middle east is worse than the Balkans. You're mistaken. The only bad part is militias and so-called self-proclaimed republics encouraging ethnic cleansing. Then again most Bosnian muslim groups were supported by people like Bin Laden and Al Queda
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:11 pm

Everyone saying either the president is bad, not as bad as the others say, or the Balkans are primitive savages. I'm just here wanting stability to come back, or worst case, the monarchy.
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Postby Tolopel » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:15 pm

i probably expected this since the balkans are a massive powered keg

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:16 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The question is did he get reelected fair and square?

It's the Balkans. What do you think?

“It is important that fundamental freedoms of assembly and speech, for example, were respected in this election, and that the candidates were able to campaign freely and to reach voters through the media,” said Tana de Zulueta, head of the long-term election observation mission from the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights. “At the same time, they were not able to compete on a level playing field, as the frontrunner enjoyed the advantages that the ruling party, which he leads, has consolidated over its 27 years in power.”

Fundamental freedoms respected in Montenegro presidential election, governing party candidate had institutional advantage, international observers say


This is real news. People getting shot dead down in Detroit is the same old same old but that, THAT is news.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:17 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Everyone saying either the president is bad, not as bad as the others say, or the Balkans are primitive savages. I'm just here wanting stability to come back, or worst case, the monarchy.


You're Montenegrin?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:18 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Everyone saying either the president is bad, not as bad as the others say, or the Balkans are primitive savages. I'm just here wanting stability to come back, or worst case, the monarchy.


You're Montenegrin?

No.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:19 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
You're Montenegrin?

No.


You said here. You mean like in the forum or you're literally over in the Balkans?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:46 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Everyone saying either the president is bad, not as bad as the others say, or the Balkans are primitive savages. I'm just here wanting stability to come back, or worst case, the monarchy.


You're Montenegrin?

You called?
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Postby Federal Republic Of America And The Cari » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:46 am

Atheris wrote:Hm. I wonder... new union of Serbia and Montenegro? Unlikely, but maybe possible.

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I would say there's a very high chance of a civil war. There's already been a shitload of civil wars in the Balkans over ethnicity.


If I remember, there were like 4 in Yugoslavia alone.

Including the insurgency in presevo valley?

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:25 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:No.


You said here. You mean like in the forum or you're literally over in the Balkans?

Here in the forum. I was reffering to stability coming back to Montenegro, or the monarchy in the worst case.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:21 am

Heloin wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:My dad once said Europeans don't fight wars like how Middle Eastern always do.

He must have forgot about the Balkans.

Both these statements are bad in their own right.


Why
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:26 am

Slavakino wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
You're Montenegrin?

You called?


Oh you're Monetenegrin. I always knew you were from former Yugoslavia and I knew you weren't Bosnian but I always assumed you were Serbian or Croatian.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Andsed » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:14 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Heloin wrote:Both these statements are bad in their own right.


Why

Because it implies that other Western nations don't do just as much fucked up shit as what happens in the Middle East and Balkans, something that is laughably false.
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Postby Sarderia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:15 am

I always thought the next Cold War would be between the US and China, but it seems the age-old US and USSR conflict, in this case NATO against Russian influence, has found its way to crawl back into this world.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:20 am

Andsed wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why

Because it implies that other Western nations don't do just as much fucked up shit as what happens in the Middle East and Balkans, something that is laughably false.


I mean the US hasn't had a civil war like what syria is having in a while.

Now Northern Ireland, that was probably what my dad would call a "Middle Eastern style conflict."
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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