Montenegro (update Serbia) possibly on verge of Civil War

[Krasny-Volny]

Montenegro is awash with arms left over from the breakup of Yugoslavia. You’d be surprised how many people have an old Mauser or SKS stashed in their closet. So are all the ex Yugoslav republics. In fact, a major concern in admitting them into the EU was that they would serve as a conduit for illegal weapons trafficking into Western Europe.

Weapons proliferation means m political unrest in Montenegro does have the potential to escalate into armed conflict, although I’ve always considered it significantly more stable than say, Kosovo or even greater Serbia at large.

[Kargintina the Third]

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[Slavakino]

Saw that video and tbh its just cherry-picked shit and libertarian propaganda. I have several relatives in the city and rural areas who Skype me and my parents saying everything is alright. The fact it labels Đukanović as an autocrat and dictator is interesting since he has only served one term. Shit was simpler in the Yugo times

[Slavakino]

Montenegro is awash with arms left over from the breakup of Yugoslavia. You’d be surprised how many people have an old Mauser or SKS stashed in their closet. So are all the ex Yugoslav republics. In fact, a major concern in admitting them into the EU was that they would serve as a conduit for illegal weapons trafficking into Western Europe.

Weapons proliferation means m political unrest in Montenegro does have the potential to escalate into armed conflict, although I’ve always considered it significantly more stable than say, Kosovo or even greater Serbia at large.

I can confirm as my father did have a large cache of weapons after the war and go rid of it afterwards. Most likely sold

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

there's probably a civil war in Montenegro and Serbia will start one, ever since the fall of Yugoslavia and the trial of Slobodan Miloslevic , there's been a lot of strife in the slavic region . but ever since the separation of serbia and montenegro it has calmed down
- regards - Astrakhan republic

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

brothers must be alive in yugoslavian identity,war does not benefit anyone.

[Nevertopia]

Trusting the UN to solve something? Lets send Stalin, hed do a better job lmao.

Also, I think Montenegro fell into a Chinese debt trap to build highways? Im not 100% sure, might have been another country.

I know the UN often fails miserably in their "peacekeeping" efforts, but occasionally they fix things. But the country in debt to China is Serbia, not Montenegro.

The UN's purpose isn't peacekeeping, its making sure the world powers dont start another war with each other. But I digress.

[Purpelia]

Given that by your own numbers in the OP the country has less total people than most serious cities in serious nations why should we care again?

[Kowani]

Given that by your own numbers in the OP the country has less total people than most serious cities in serious nations why should we care again?

Civil wars tend to spill over.

[Purpelia]

Given that by your own numbers in the OP the country has less total people than most serious cities in serious nations why should we care again?

Civil wars tend to spill over.

I guess, but like what are they going to do? Subjugate someones suburb? Trample a small town. Conquer a cottage?

[Kowani]

Civil wars tend to spill over.

I guess, but like what are they going to do? Invade someones suburb? Overwhelm a small town. Conquer a cottage?

Doubtful. The Balkans are full of ethnic strife and poverty. What'll most likely happen is that assuming a civil war does happen, the resulting refugee flood will stir up ethnic tensions in the surrounding countries. It's unlikely for any hypothetical victor to invade the surrounding countries, but it generally won't be good for the area.

[Gravlen]

Is Montenegro (MNE) possibly on the verge of a Civil War.

No, it is not. There is some civil unrest, but it's far from being on the brink of civil war.

Its seems the current leader of this small Balkan nation of 600.000 people, he has been running that small nation for 30 years, , is trying to create a new non-Serbian connected identity for MNE. Supposedly, MNE. has Serbian roots. Anyway to do this he is erasing anything Serbian including the Serbian Orthodox religion which is a major religion in MNE. In response to this, the people of MNE. have been protesting in the streets. The government has responded by tear gassing the protesters and by using physical force. Its getting ugly by the day.

Here's a relatively neutral source on what's actually happening:

The dispute centres on the Freedom of Religion law’s call for the creation of a register of all religious buildings and sites that authorities say were owned by the independent kingdom of Montenegro before it became part of the Serb-dominated Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes in 1918, later renamed Yugoslavia.

Under the law, religious organisations must provide clear evidence of ownership in order to retain their properties, a provision that the Serbian Orthodox Church – the largest faith group in the country – says is designed to strip it of its holdings.

Serbian Church, Montenegro Govt to Discuss Disputed Religion Law

Months of protests triggered by a disputed law on religion have morphed into a popular rebellion against what participants say are burning injustices in Montenegrin society.
Below, BIRN takes a closer look at some of the faces – some better known than others – in the crowds of people taking to the streets in Montenegro in protest against a disputed law on religion and what they say are inequalities in Montenegrin society.

Mass protests began in December, with the Serbian Orthodox Church warning that the law will give the government the right to confiscate its property. Led by clergy of the Serbian Orthodox Church, tens of thousands have been protesting twice-weekly demanding the law be scrapped.

Pro-Russian and pro-Serbian opposition political movements regularly participate. Some of those turning out took part in earlier protests against the ruling Democratic Party of Socialists, DPS, which has been in government for the past three decades, while others are marching for the first time.

https://balkaninsight.com/2020/03/12/faces-from-montenegros-church-protests/

See also
Montenegrin Police Accused of Violence Against Orthodox Protesters
Montenegro Rights Groups to Appeal Against Religious Gathering Ban

I always though that MNE. was a tranquil happy place. But it seems there are major underlining problems which is currently bursting out.

Have you MET the Balkans? If someone is bringing up a country in the Balkans, I expect them to talk about (civil) war or (attempted) genocide, or serious organized crime. Maybe I'm jaded, but "tranquil happy place" is far from what I think of when it comes to the Balkans.

I think the people in MNE. are fed up with there leader who has been there for 30 years. They want true change. True democracy.

If so, why do they keep reelecting him? Sure, the elections have issues, but not the kind of issues which suggest that they aren't generally free and fair:

“It is important that fundamental freedoms of assembly and speech, for example, were respected in this election, and that the candidates were able to campaign freely and to reach voters through the media,” said Tana de Zulueta, head of the long-term election observation mission from the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights. “At the same time, they were not able to compete on a level playing field, as the frontrunner enjoyed the advantages that the ruling party, which he leads, has consolidated over its 27 years in power.”

Fundamental freedoms respected in Montenegro presidential election, governing party candidate had institutional advantage, international observers say

[Purpelia]

I guess, but like what are they going to do? Invade someones suburb? Overwhelm a small town. Conquer a cottage?

Doubtful. The Balkans are full of ethnic strife and poverty. What'll most likely happen is that assuming a civil war does happen, the resulting refugee flood will stir up ethnic tensions in the surrounding countries. It's unlikely for any hypothetical victor to invade the surrounding countries, but it generally won't be good for the area.

My knowledge of the region is admittedly poor but it is my understanding that the country in question is an OTAN member so we can expect OTAN to try and stabilize things before they get to that. If for no reason than because they want to keep their vassal stable and their client ruler in control.

[Ansarre]

Dukanovic and Vujanovic are corrupt authoritarians who just want to use Montenegro to enrich themselves. Protests have been going on since last year because the government passed a law to seize all Orthodox Church property. The EU needs to step in to deal with this.

[Rojava Free State]

there's probably a civil war in Montenegro and Serbia will start one, ever since the fall of Yugoslavia and the trial of Slobodan Miloslevic , there's been a lot of strife in the slavic region . but ever since the separation of serbia and montenegro it has calmed down
- regards - Astrakhan republic

Dog you don't gotta be in character. This is an out of character forum, so you just speak from your own perspective.

[Greed and Death]

Saw that video and tbh its just cherry-picked shit and libertarian propaganda. I have several relatives in the city and rural areas who Skype me and my parents saying everything is alright. The fact it labels Đukanović as an autocrat and dictator is interesting since he has only served one term. Shit was simpler in the Yugo times

Not Libertarian propaganda, this is Russian propaganda.

[Federal Republic Of America And The Cari]

That's concerning, especially since the balkans is a powderkeg waiting to explode

[Exalted Inquellian State]

That's concerning, especially since the balkans is a powderkeg waiting to explode

It's also sad. It takes a lot to not feel sorry when a country is forced to endure it's own citizens fighting each other and collapsing.

[Tolopel]

let's hope this civil war ends soon

[Gravlen]

let's hope this civil war ends soon

Not a civil war.

[Federal Republic Of America And The Cari]

let's hope this civil war ends soon

High chance of civil unrest,low but present chance of all out war

[Rojava Free State]

let's hope this civil war ends soon

Not a civil war.

Yet

[Rojava Free State]

let's hope this civil war ends soon

High chance of civil unrest,low but present chance of all out war

I would say there's a very high chance of a civil war. There's already been a shitload of civil wars in the Balkans over ethnicity.

[Atheris]

Hm. I wonder... new union of Serbia and Montenegro? Unlikely, but maybe possible.

High chance of civil unrest,low but present chance of all out war

I would say there's a very high chance of a civil war. There's already been a shitload of civil wars in the Balkans over ethnicity.

If I remember, there were like 4 in Yugoslavia alone.

[Rojava Free State]

Hm. I wonder... new union of Serbia and Montenegro? Unlikely, but maybe possible.

I would say there's a very high chance of a civil war. There's already been a shitload of civil wars in the Balkans over ethnicity.

If I remember, there were like 4 in Yugoslavia alone.

Yugoslavia ended in a series of wars. Just one after another for almost all of the 1990s.