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Somerville, Mass to recognize polyamorous partnerships

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I'm not poly, but good for them
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I'm gonna tell my wife and her boyfriend, so we can start planning the move
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Meh/undecided
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This is no bueno
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Postby State of Turelisa » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:25 pm

Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:29 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.

You made a statement, not a point and indicated you do not wish to debate on a debate forum.

Well,10 points from your side.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:41 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:45 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.

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Why are you here if you don't want to debate or discuss your points?

It's his prerogative. I'd let it go.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:51 pm

Are there really 10+ pages of people arguing about this?

It has no effect on your life unless you or someone important who just happens to live in Somerville, Massachusetts is polyamorous! It's not "decaying society" or whatever the fuck, as long as everyone involved is a consenting member of the same age group it's not hurting anyone--what's the deal?
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:57 pm

Comfed wrote:Polygamy is very stressful and damaging for all parties involved, including children.


Mormon or Muslim polygamy, or actual polyamory?

As someone who's been in actual poly relationships, its no more "stressful" or "damaging" than a mono relationship.

We’re all humans, but humans should only have one lover.


Why?

State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.


Then why'd you say that on a debate forum?

Lavan Tiri wrote:Are there really 10+ pages of people arguing about this?

It has no effect on your life unless you or someone important who just happens to live in Somerville, Massachusetts is polyamorous! It's not "decaying society" or whatever the fuck, as long as everyone involved is a consenting member of the same age group it's not hurting anyone--what's the deal?


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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:18 am

State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.


Thank you for admitting that your argument has no leg to stand on if you don't want us debating it. As such we're free to dismiss it entirely.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:41 am

State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other.


While you are not going to answer.... I wonder.. where does it say that ?
After all, the Bible tells us it was first Adam with God, then Adam with all the animals and then Adam and Eve (or Lilith first if you believe that) and then probably Adam with his children. And later on we learn of many, many other arrangements that God approves, like fucking your slave (Hagar).
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Postby Crockerland » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:23 am

Celritannia wrote:Superb news.

BTW, arguments that involve "but it will destroy society" were said over LGBT marriages, women's rights, giving women the vote, giving the working class the vote, freeing slaves etc.
So that argument has no leg to stand on.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:29 am

Crockerland wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Superb news.

BTW, arguments that involve "but it will destroy society" were said over LGBT marriages, women's rights, giving women the vote, giving the working class the vote, freeing slaves etc.
So that argument has no leg to stand on.

"My nutritionist said I need to stop eating 45 butterdogs a day. Well, he's a doctor - You know who else was a doctor? Josef Mengele. Therefore, I should keep eating my 45 butterdogs per day."

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-guilt-by-association/
A guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.


So what is the evidence that recognising polyamorous relationships will actually destroy society then?
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:33 am

Crockerland wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Superb news.

BTW, arguments that involve "but it will destroy society" were said over LGBT marriages, women's rights, giving women the vote, giving the working class the vote, freeing slaves etc.
So that argument has no leg to stand on.

"My nutritionist said I need to stop eating 45 butterdogs a day. Well, he's a doctor - You know who else was a doctor? Josef Mengele. Therefore, I should keep eating my 45 butterdogs per day."

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-guilt-by-association/
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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:51 am

State of Turelisa wrote:Marriage is and should be a union between a man and a woman bound by vows taken before God to love and honour each other. I don't want to debate about it with you angry LGBT supporting people. I've made my point and there's no point or argument which I've not heard before.

Ah yes, because everything should all revolve around a religion not everyone follows.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Crockerland wrote:"My nutritionist said I need to stop eating 45 butterdogs a day. Well, he's a doctor - You know who else was a doctor? Josef Mengele. Therefore, I should keep eating my 45 butterdogs per day."

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-guilt-by-association/
A guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.


So what is the evidence that recognising polyamorous relationships will actually destroy society then?

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:56 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what is the evidence that recognising polyamorous relationships will actually destroy society then?

do u ever get tired of doing this?


What, asking for evidence that a thing is bad rather than just accepting that it is bad because someone on the internet said so?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:18 am

Vassenor wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:do u ever get tired of doing this?


What, asking for evidence that a thing is bad rather than just accepting that it is bad because someone on the internet said so?

yes - particularly when evidence has already been presented and when you haven't presented counterevidence
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:24 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What, asking for evidence that a thing is bad rather than just accepting that it is bad because someone on the internet said so?

yes - particularly when evidence has already been presented and when you haven't presented counterevidence


And where was it presented?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:31 am

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Cekoviu wrote:yes - particularly when evidence has already been presented and when you haven't presented counterevidence


And where was it presented?

i literally presented it in response to YOU and then you responded with an irrelevant article that did not counter the actual point
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:36 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And where was it presented?

i literally presented it in response to YOU and then you responded with an irrelevant article that did not counter the actual point
viewtopic.php?p=37372337#p37372337

Your evidence was, as the same the last time we did this, about polygamy, not polyamory. Try again.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:36 am

Kowani wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:i literally presented it in response to YOU and then you responded with an irrelevant article that did not counter the actual point
viewtopic.php?p=37372337#p37372337

Your evidence was, as the same the last time we did this, about polygamy, not polyamory. Try again.

the difference between polygamy and polyamory is paperwork.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:39 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your evidence was, as the same the last time we did this, about polygamy, not polyamory. Try again.

the difference between polygamy and polyamory is paperwork.

Also vastly different social/cultural/political conditions but let's ignore that in favor of pretending it's impossible for more than 2 people can have a loving, consensual relationship.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:40 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:the difference between polygamy and polyamory is paperwork.

Also vastly different social/cultural/political conditions but let's ignore that in favor of pretending it's impossible for more than 2 people can have a loving, consensual relationship.

yeah i like that idea!
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:40 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your evidence was, as the same the last time we did this, about polygamy, not polyamory. Try again.

the difference between polygamy and polyamory is paperwork.

And this is entirely false.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:47 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And where was it presented?

i literally presented it in response to YOU and then you responded with an irrelevant article that did not counter the actual point
viewtopic.php?p=37372337#p37372337


So I did present counter evidence and you just stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed because you didn't like it.
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Postby Auze » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:56 am

Kowani wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:the difference between polygamy and polyamory is paperwork.

And this is entirely false.

Yeah, there’s also a difference of about two letters.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:01 am

Auze wrote:
Kowani wrote:And this is entirely false.

Yeah, there’s also a difference of about two letters.

Necroghastia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:the difference between polygamy and polyamory is paperwork.

Also vastly different social/cultural/political conditions but let's ignore that in favor of pretending it's impossible for more than 2 people can have a loving, consensual relationship.
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