Somerville, Mass to recognize polyamorous partnerships

[The Alma Mater]

Is there any particular reason to suspect polyamorous relationships being normalized wouldn't result overwhelmingly in one man multiple women becoming far more common than the reverse, and this causing issues for society?.

I actually assume the majority will be group marriages, containing multiple men AND women.

[Ostroeuropa]

What a psychotic idea. Another day, another attempt to destroy society I guess

Ok, marxist.

I mean, society is kind of fucked right now largely because this dynamic has been normalized in peoples behaviors even if they haven't fully consciously embraced it.

The financial crash led to the number of men not having sex to skyrocket, but the number of women having sex stayed the same. This is because women started sleeping with men with money and not other men, with those men with money now having lots of sex partners. (Regardlesss of what the ego-saving excuses feminists about mens personalities and so on which they have popularized, the hard data is that income is the most profound influence here and it happened *practically overnight*. Blaming men for it rather than confronting the fact womens sexuality is based around power and wealth and how negative and toxic that is for a society was done because feminists are basically unable to conceive of this issue as an injustice done by women to men, and are too attached to the notion that women expressing their sexuality is a good thing, rather than a profoundly destructive one as a result of how womens sexuality is constructed. Whether their sexuality can be changed, as I think, or it's biological, is the only legitimate debate here. The feminist notion that "It's because of nice guys" and so on, is provably false. Said only because of female fragility and unwillingness to confront the flaws of womanhood as an identity.). The link between this and the rise of political polarization is well documented. Both the far-left and the alt-right are undersexed and heavily consume pornography according to studies.

As a rule, anti-fa types have less sex than any other political group, and the alt-right is in second place, with the alt-right consuming *magnitudes* more pornography.

The parallels between this dynamic and polyamory should be obvious.

[Ostroeuropa]

Is there any particular reason to suspect polyamorous relationships being normalized wouldn't result overwhelmingly in one man multiple women becoming far more common than the reverse, and this causing issues for society?.

I actually assume the majority will be group marriages, containing multiple men AND women.

Why do you assume that when there's no evidence for it being true and when all indications say that it'll be high status men marrying multiple women? It rests on the assumption that people are basically equal and sexuality isn't related to power dynamics and identity and so on.

If men and women were "The same", then yes, that is what would happen. But they're not the same. They're constructed differently by society, in addition to potential biological differences.

[Grenartia]

Is there any particular reason to suspect polyamorous relationships being normalized wouldn't result overwhelmingly in one man multiple women becoming far more common than the reverse, and this causing issues for society?.

I actually assume the majority will be group marriages, containing multiple men AND women.

Yeah. On the whole, any gender disparities actually balance themselves out.

[Ostroeuropa]

I actually assume the majority will be group marriages, containing multiple men AND women.

Yeah. On the whole, any gender disparities actually balance themselves out.

Why do you think this will be the case when all indications are that it won't?

It's wishful thinking and a refusal to confront reality.

If this were true, why hasn't it happened in the sexual marketplace in terms of serial monogamy and sexual encounters and so on? Why do we see far more men having no sex than women having no sex? And why did this escalate enormously after the financial crisis and practically overnight, and why does it correlate with income, if it is not *directly linked* to power and wealth and hierarchy rather than any of the face-saving excuses feminists come up with about there being something wrong with the mens personalities and waffling about how they're "entitled" (Which in the context of hierarchy, sounds awfully right wing of them doesn't it, and given that the data shows money is a good proxy for sex, is interesting)? Almost like feminism is merely a means to turn classist abuse against poor males into sexist abuse to obfuscate it?

The data doesn't lie.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

More people being able to love how they want to love?

No complaints from me.

[Necroghastia]

What a psychotic idea. Another day, another attempt to destroy society I guess

Please explain what about this is "psychotic."

[New haven america]

Yeah. On the whole, any gender disparities actually balance themselves out.

Why do you think this will be the case when all indications are that it won't?

It's wishful thinking and a refusal to confront reality.

If this were true, why hasn't it happened in the sexual marketplace in terms of serial monogamy and sexual encounters and so on? Why do we see far more men having no sex than women having no sex? And why did this escalate enormously after the financial crisis and practically overnight, and why does it correlate with income, if it is not *directly linked* to power and wealth and hierarchy rather than any of the face-saving excuses feminists come up with about there being something wrong with the mens personalities and waffling about how they're "entitled" (Which in the context of hierarchy, sounds awfully right wing of them doesn't it, and given that the data shows money is a good proxy for sex, is interesting)? Almost like feminism is merely a means to turn classist abuse against poor males into sexist abuse to obfuscate it?

The data doesn't lie.

Because that's already the case, most of the current poly community is highly suspicious, discouraging, and actually discriminatory towards 1 man multiple women relationships. (So much so that a lot of them don't even consider it polyamory)

Excluding V's or larger where 1 man is connected to 1 woman of the group and nothing more, a guy would generally be looked down on if they had 2+ female partners who weren't attached to another guy or gal.

[Ostroeuropa]

What a psychotic idea. Another day, another attempt to destroy society I guess

Please explain what about this is "psychotic."

It entrenches hierarchy, divides society, and causes political polarization and instability. It correlates with genocide and civil war as consequences.

This has been studied *at length* and proven time and time again.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why do you think this will be the case when all indications are that it won't?

It's wishful thinking and a refusal to confront reality.

If this were true, why hasn't it happened in the sexual marketplace in terms of serial monogamy and sexual encounters and so on? Why do we see far more men having no sex than women having no sex? And why did this escalate enormously after the financial crisis and practically overnight, and why does it correlate with income, if it is not *directly linked* to power and wealth and hierarchy rather than any of the face-saving excuses feminists come up with about there being something wrong with the mens personalities and waffling about how they're "entitled" (Which in the context of hierarchy, sounds awfully right wing of them doesn't it, and given that the data shows money is a good proxy for sex, is interesting)? Almost like feminism is merely a means to turn classist abuse against poor males into sexist abuse to obfuscate it?

The data doesn't lie.

Because that's already the case, most of the current poly community is highly suspicious, discouraging, and discriminatory towards 1 man multiple women relationships. (So much so that they don't even consider it polyamory)

Do you have any sources on the dynamics of poly relationships?

[New haven america]

Because that's already the case, most of the current poly community is highly suspicious, discouraging, and discriminatory towards 1 man multiple women relationships. (So much so that they don't even consider it polyamory)

Do you have any sources on the dynamics of poly relationships?

Yes.

But seeing as how you don't seem to want to post your sources that polyamory leads to genocide, I don't really feel like posting mine.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you have any sources on the dynamics of poly relationships?

Yes.

But seeing as how you don't seem to want to post your sources that polyamory leads to genocide, I don't really feel like posting mine.

It was on a previous page.

viewtopic.php?p=37362647#p37362647

The article;
https://www.economist.com/the-economist ... -civil-war

As for war and genocide;
https://www.economist.com/christmas-spe ... my-and-war

[South Odreria 2]

What a psychotic idea. Another day, another attempt to destroy society I guess

Please explain what about this is "psychotic."

Everything lol

[New haven america]

Yes.

But seeing as how you don't seem to want to post your sources that polyamory leads to genocide, I don't really feel like posting mine.

It was on a previous page.

viewtopic.php?p=37362647#p37362647

The article;
https://www.economist.com/the-economist ... -civil-war

Lol, we've already been over this, polyamory=/=polygamy.

So no, you haven't been able to provide a source saying polyamory leads to genocide because you're not even talking about polyamory.

[Ostroeuropa]

It was on a previous page.

viewtopic.php?p=37362647#p37362647

The article;
https://www.economist.com/the-economist ... -civil-war

Lol, we've already been over this, polyamory=/=polygamy.

So no, you haven't been able to provide a source saying polyamory leads to genocide because you're not even talking about polyamory.

What's the functional difference between polyamory and polygamy except that polyamory doesn't involve marriage, which isn't the relevant bit?

[Galloism]

Lol, we've already been over this, polyamory=/=polygamy.

So no, you haven't been able to provide a source saying polyamory leads to genocide because you're not even talking about polyamory.

What's the functional difference between polyamory and polygamy except that polyamory doesn't involve marriage, which isn't the relevant bit?

Paperwork.

[New haven america]

Lol, we've already been over this, polyamory=/=polygamy.

So no, you haven't been able to provide a source saying polyamory leads to genocide because you're not even talking about polyamory.

What's the functional difference between polyamory and polygamy except that polyamory doesn't involve marriage, which isn't the relevant bit?

Polygamy is the act of having multiple marriages, usually 1 person married to multiple people in a generally unhealthy way.

Polyamory on the other hand, is the act of having multiple partners regardless of marriage status and is much more focused on open communication/emotional openness and flexability. (Ironically their view on males in poly relationships goes against this ethos, something I'm surprised you're not angry about)

Though I guess you could say it goes right down to a single... Concept. Polygamy is more often than not (And even encouraged) polygyny, while most of the polyamory community isn't even willing to consider a male polyamorous unless other males are included in their dating sphere or polycule. (Like a V with 1 woman dating 2 men or a 1 man 2 women triad where 1 woman is dating another man, etc...)

[Ethel mermania]

Sure, but the purely secular marriage is a new phenomenon altogether.

Is it ? Originally marriage was mainly a business transaction - you buy one fertile female for 3 camels and 2 goats.

I got robbed.

[Ostroeuropa]

What's the functional difference between polyamory and polygamy except that polyamory doesn't involve marriage, which isn't the relevant bit?

Polygamy is the act of having multiple marriages, usually 1 person married to multiple people in a generally unhealthy way.

Polyamory on the other hand, is the act of having multiple partners regardless of marriage status and is much more focused on open communication/emotional openness and flexability.

Though I guess you could say it goes right down to a single... Concept. Polygamy is more often than not (And even encouraged) polygyny, while most of the polyamory isn't even willing to consider a male polyamorous unless other males are included in their dating sphere or polycule. (Like a V with 1 woman dating 2 men or a 1 man 2 woman triad where 1 woman is dating another man, etc...)

And why should women having two male partners be considered different or less likely to result in issues in the long run? I largely don't care all that much if they're balanced frankly.

So i'll clarify;

My problem is with poly relationships where there is an imbalanced number of participants because I believe their normalization is bad for society. If there's a word for that type, I promise to use it in future.

[Greed and Death]

What's the functional difference between polyamory and polygamy except that polyamory doesn't involve marriage, which isn't the relevant bit?

Polygamy is the act of having multiple marriages, usually 1 person married to multiple people in a generally unhealthy way.

Polyamory on the other hand, is the act of having multiple partners regardless of marriage status and is much more focused on open communication/emotional openness and flexability.

Though I guess you could say it goes right down to a single... Concept. Polygamy is more often than not (And even encouraged) polygyny, while most of the polyamory isn't even willing to consider a male polyamorous unless other males are included in their dating sphere or polycule. (Like a V with 1 woman dating 2 men or a 1 man 2 woman triad where 1 woman is dating another man, etc...)

So If I am reading this you do not need nor desire legal rights, you just want social acceptance ?

[New haven america]

Polygamy is the act of having multiple marriages, usually 1 person married to multiple people in a generally unhealthy way.

Polyamory on the other hand, is the act of having multiple partners regardless of marriage status and is much more focused on open communication/emotional openness and flexability.

Though I guess you could say it goes right down to a single... Concept. Polygamy is more often than not (And even encouraged) polygyny, while most of the polyamory isn't even willing to consider a male polyamorous unless other males are included in their dating sphere or polycule. (Like a V with 1 woman dating 2 men or a 1 man 2 woman triad where 1 woman is dating another man, etc...)

And why should women having two male partners be considered different or less likely to result in issues in the long run? I largely don't care all that much if they're balanced frankly.

So i'll clarify;

My problem is with poly relationships where there is an imbalanced number of participants because I believe their normalization is bad for society. If there's a word for that type, I promise to use it in future.

Don't know, ask the poly community, they're the one's who decided on it. Generally the response I've gotten from those who believe so is that it's because it shows the guy's truly committed to the poly lifestyle and isn't just in it to get laid by multiple women (Fun fact, a lot of poly people are actually against group sex, total downer, I agree). Basically they're trying to distance themselves from the Polygynous and Swinger communities as much as possible and part of that vetting process is trying to get men to have to deal with other men in some relationship capacity. (Which, tbh, is something I'm surprised you're not angry about considering your general beliefs on male discrimination)

Well, the problem is is that there's no single structure in poly relationships: Some are 1 person dating 2 people or maybe 20 people, some are heirarchal while others are free flowing, some are sex positive/fetishistic while others can be asexual or sex negative. Generally the terms they have for what you're talking about is what you've been using, Polygamists, Swingers, etc... (Ironically they have the same negative beliefs towards that stuff as you do)

[The Two Jerseys]

Serious question: does the town actually have the legal authority to recognize poly relationships? I'd imagine that would be something that would have to be addressed at the state level.

[New haven america]

Polygamy is the act of having multiple marriages, usually 1 person married to multiple people in a generally unhealthy way.

Polyamory on the other hand, is the act of having multiple partners regardless of marriage status and is much more focused on open communication/emotional openness and flexability.

Though I guess you could say it goes right down to a single... Concept. Polygamy is more often than not (And even encouraged) polygyny, while most of the polyamory isn't even willing to consider a male polyamorous unless other males are included in their dating sphere or polycule. (Like a V with 1 woman dating 2 men or a 1 man 2 woman triad where 1 woman is dating another man, etc...)

So If I am reading this you do not need nor desire legal rights, you just want social acceptance ?

I'm not poly (Least I don't think I am, kinda need to be in a relationship first to figure that out), but polyamory is still a massive legal gray area that the Supreme Court didn't really touch upon in their recent LGBT work/service discrimination ruling. So it still might be possible to get fired, denied services, etc... simply for being non-monogamous, as well as difficulty with parental or property rights.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

Get ready for another season of Sister Wives.

[Wilder Place]

Please explain what about this is "psychotic."

It entrenches hierarchy, divides society, and causes political polarization and instability. It correlates with genocide and civil war as consequences.

This has been studied *at length* and proven time and time again.

Maybe the problem is inequality, not polyamory.