A Holiday Trade?(Juneteenth in Exchange for Columbus Day)

[Rusozak]

Well Columbus day has already kind of been supplanted by "Indigenous Peoples Day" so not sure. Are natives attached at all to the day or is it just a thing colonial descendants wanting to feel guilty care about?

[Shrillland]

Well Columbus day has already kind of been supplanted by "Indigenous Peoples Day" so not sure. Are natives attached at all to the day or is it just a thing colonial descendants wanting to feel guilty care about?

Plenty of natives are attached, yes, primarily out in the plains states where it's already a thing.

[Gig em Aggies]

The problem with this is that one class wants something without thinking of the other classes like instead of replacing Columbus Day with Juneteenth why not let another holiday like from Native Americans, Hispanics, or even Asians take that spot I mean if racism is to be eradicated everyone needs to be equal so it's only fair. I mean there is Black History month and a national museum of African American history on the national mall why not let other minority groups have this one.

[Shrillland]

The problem with this is that one class wants something without thinking of the other classes like instead of replacing Columbus Day with Juneteenth why not let another holiday like from Native Americans, Hispanics, or even Asians take that spot I mean if racism is to be eradicated everyone needs to be equal so it's only fair. I mean there is Black History month and a national museum of African American history on the national mall why not let other minority groups have this one.

Because Black History Month is is the shortest, most miserable month of the year, and a lot of people only equate as synonymous with February, not with any actual Black history. By making Juneteenth a national holiday, the US government is saying that, at least at face value, it recognises how important this moment is to the largest minority group in the country, the day that slavery(at least in its classic chattel form) was kicked to death once and for all, and a second independence day was born.

[Gig em Aggies]

The problem with this is that one class wants something without thinking of the other classes like instead of replacing Columbus Day with Juneteenth why not let another holiday like from Native Americans, Hispanics, or even Asians take that spot I mean if racism is to be eradicated everyone needs to be equal so it's only fair. I mean there is Black History month and a national museum of African American history on the national mall why not let other minority groups have this one.

Because Black History Month is is the shortest, most miserable month of the year, and a lot of people only equate as synonymous with February, not with any actual Black history. By making Juneteenth a national holiday, the US government is saying that, at least at face value, it recognises how important this moment is to the largest minority group in the country, the day that slavery(at least in its classic chattel form) was kicked to death once and for all, and a second independence day was born.

in actuality Juneteenth is really a state holiday in Texas as news of emancipation didn't reach Texas till June it holds significance in Texas but not the nation if a national holiday is to be made then why not MLK Jr Day and why does it have to replace Columbus Day there are plenty of days not taken out there.

[Shrillland]

Because Black History Month is is the shortest, most miserable month of the year, and a lot of people only equate as synonymous with February, not with any actual Black history. By making Juneteenth a national holiday, the US government is saying that, at least at face value, it recognises how important this moment is to the largest minority group in the country, the day that slavery(at least in its classic chattel form) was kicked to death once and for all, and a second independence day was born.

in actuality Juneteenth is really a state holiday in Texas as news of emancipation didn't reach Texas till June it holds significance in Texas but not the nation if a national holiday is to be made then why not MLK Jr Day and why does it have to replace Columbus Day there are plenty of days not taken out there.

MLK Day is a national holiday, actually. Juneteenth is indeed, the commemoration of the day that the last slaves were freed in Texas in 1865, and it actually does hold significance nationwide among the Black community. This is just the first year a lot of non-Black people have paid attention to it because of the unrest and social changes being made. As for why it has to replace Columbus Day, it would ideally do so only temporarily before we make Indigenous Peoples Day a holiday on the same Monday in October.

[Gig em Aggies]

in actuality Juneteenth is really a state holiday in Texas as news of emancipation didn't reach Texas till June it holds significance in Texas but not the nation if a national holiday is to be made then why not MLK Jr Day and why does it have to replace Columbus Day there are plenty of days not taken out there.

MLK Day is a national holiday, actually. Juneteenth is indeed, the commemoration of the day that the last slaves were freed in Texas in 1865, and it actually does hold significance nationwide among the Black community. This is just the first year a lot of non-Black people have paid attention to it because of the unrest and social changes being made. As for why it has to replace Columbus Day, it would ideally do so only temporarily before we make Indigenous Peoples Day a holiday on the same Monday in October.

but the point is that Columbus day doesn't have to be replaced why trade one people groups holiday for another's? when you can just make Juneteenth its own on its day why get rid of everything that's doesn't jive with social justice when you can use that day to teach what actually happened instead of erasing it like it never happened which is the way things are going if people don't wake up .

[Vetalia]

I think January 31st or December 6th, based on the dates of the passage/ratification of the 13th amendment would be more appropriate since Juneteenth is really only relevant to the state of Texas. Or September 22nd, to commemorate the Emancipation Proclamation. In any case, though, another federal holiday should be removed to compensate...doesn't really seem necessary to give government employees another day off with how generous their holidays are already compared to the private sector.

[Atheris]

I think January 31st or December 6th, based on the dates of the passage/ratification of the 13th amendment would be more appropriate since Juneteenth is really only relevant to the state of Texas. Or September 22nd, to commemorate the Emancipation Proclamation. In any case, though, another federal holiday should be removed to compensate...doesn't really seem necessary to give government employees another day off with how generous their holidays are already compared to the private sector.

December 6 fits more for the 13th Amendment, since that's the day it was put into effect. I would say July 2, for the Civil Rights Act, but that's too close to Independence Day.

[Rojava Free State]

Tony Soprano is gonna be very mad when he hears the news.

[Vetalia]

December 6 fits more for the 13th Amendment, since that's the day it was put into effect. I would say July 2, for the Civil Rights Act, but that's too close to Independence Day.

I personally prefer September 22nd for the Emancipation Proclamation as that was really the starting point for the end of slavery in the United States as well as the turning point that prevented significant foreign intervention on behalf of the Confederacy.

[Atheris]

December 6 fits more for the 13th Amendment, since that's the day it was put into effect. I would say July 2, for the Civil Rights Act, but that's too close to Independence Day.

I personally prefer September 22nd for the Emancipation Proclamation as that was really the starting point for the end of slavery in the United States as well as the turning point that prevented significant foreign intervention on behalf of the Confederacy.

I'm not saying which one I prefer (although it's September 22nd for the Emancipation Proclamation), just that December 6 would be a better date for the 13th Amendment.

[Vetalia]

I'm not saying which one I prefer (although it's September 22nd for the Emancipation Proclamation), just that December 6 would be a better date for the 13th Amendment.

I agree, if we really want to focus on the absolute end of slavery in the United States December 6th is the date.

[Outer Sparta]

Columbus Day as a holiday is already based as it is.

[Mushet]

Tony Soprano is gonna be very mad when he hears the news.

Wasn't it his friend that was mad and Tony was just going along with it?

[Page]

Even if you want to set aside the discourse about slavery and Colombus' killings and all that, Juneteenth is an objectively better holiday because it's in the summer and close to the 4th of July. It's kind of like Christmas and New Year's though a little further apart.

[Page]

Tony Soprano is gonna be very mad when he hears the news.

He gave a speech about preserving Columbus Day on TV but it abruptly cut to black.

[Kowani]

Right? But we'll take what we can get. Removing a holiday to celebrate a genocidal slaver to replace with one that celebrates the liberation of the enslaved is good enough for now.

Columbus wasn't genocidal

about that.

or a slaver.

Does sex slavery of children count?

[Serrus]

A day off of school is better than a federal holiday that doesn't actually count as a day off, so how about just calling it Indigenous People's Day or How About a Random Day Off in the Fall Day. It doesn't matter as long as it falls within the confines of the school year.

[Ethel mermania]

Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?

Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.

[Farnhamia]

Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?

Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.

Too many days off and the next thing you know, we'll turn into France, you socialist cat, you.

October 12 is Hugh Jackman's birthday. And Joe Cronin's, too, and Tony Kubek's. And Dick Gregory.

[Atheris]

Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?

Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.

Too many days off and the next thing you know, we'll turn into France, you socialist cat, you.

October 12 is Hugh Jackman's birthday. And Joe Cronin's, too, and Tony Kubek's. And Dick Gregory.

If we're making October 12 into Hugh Jackman day, we should make April 7 into Russell Crowe day!

[Ethel mermania]

Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?

Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.

Too many days off and the next thing you know, we'll turn into France, you socialist cat, you.

October 12 is Hugh Jackman's birthday. And Joe Cronin's, too, and Tony Kubek's. And Dick Gregory.

Just remember, Ralph kramden is brother Ralph to me.

[Heloin]

Right? But we'll take what we can get. Removing a holiday to celebrate a genocidal slaver to replace with one that celebrates the liberation of the enslaved is good enough for now.

Columbus wasn't genocidal or a slaver.

His contemporaries described him as such.

[Greed and Death]

Columbus wasn't genocidal or a slaver.

His contemporaries described him as such.

Not exactly.

Bartolomé de las Casas is who is generally refereed to as the one who called Columbus as committing genocide against the Indians.

De las Casas didn't arrive in the New World until some three years after Columbus's term of Governor ended.
De las Casas mentions Columbus once in his writings and does so in a neutral fashion. Which given he is describing genocide is a good thing.
De las Casas's accounts of genocide occur during the Conquest of Cuba conducting by Diego Velázquez de Cuéllar's and Pánfilo de Narváez' some seven years after Columbus was dead.