A Holiday Trade?(Juneteenth in Exchange for Columbus Day)

[Eahland]

>the joke
>you

lol, the real joke on both sides, the right and the left.

Did you seriously just #bothsides not getting the joke?

[Heloin]

Hey, you're the one throwing accusations around. I'm curious, what's the compromise here? Because it seems like an issue that has only two real outcomes - either the holiday continues to exist or it doesn't.

I admitted there is no compromise on both sides.

Good. Now let's get rid of the stupid holiday.

[The Two Jerseys]

I admitted there is no compromise on both sides.

Good. Now let's get rid of the stupid holiday.

Can't, that's our only day off between Labor Day and Veterans Day.

[Heloin]

Good. Now let's get rid of the stupid holiday.

Can't, that's our only day off between Labor Day and Veterans Day.

Make Halloween a federal holiday. Also if you want more holidays in October you can add Leif Erikson Day and *squints at calander* Canadian Thanksgiving?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I admitted there is no compromise on both sides.

Good. Now let's get rid of the stupid holiday.

Bad, lets not get rid of Columbus day. Let me try to explain the mess I and Rojava started. The right already has what it wants Columbus day. The leftists want to get rid of Columbus day and his statues. So I said the problem is there is no compromise with the leftists. The only compromise possible I posted on here earlier is, keep Columbus day as a national holiday and add Juneteenth as a national holiday. But the leftists supporters of abolish Columbus day will not compromise on it. Politicians on both the right and the left might compromise on it as I suggest. I have no problems with Juneteenth as a national holiday to honor the freeing of the slaves, we already have a Martin Luther King Day as well I am ok with, as I posted earlier.

[Heloin]

Good. Now let's get rid of the stupid holiday.

Bad, lets not get rid of Columbus day. Let me try to explain the mess I and Rojava started. The right already has what it wants Columbus day. The leftists want to get rid of Columbus day and his statues.

Good, get rid of the holiday and the statues.

So I said the problem is there is no compromise with the leftists. The only compromise possible I posted on here earlier is, keep Columbus day as a national holiday and add Juneteenth as a national holiday. But the leftists supporters of abolish Columbus day will not compromise on it. Politicians on both the right and the left might compromise on it as I suggest. I have no problems with Juneteenth as a national holiday to honor the freeing of the slaves, we already have a Martin Luther King Day as well I am ok with, as I posted earlier.

Those aren't reasons to keep Columbus Day.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I support a Columbus Day national holiday to honor Christopher Columbus as the founder of the settlement of America. I support a Juneteenth national holiday to honor the freeing of the black African American slaves. I support a Native American Day national holiday to honor Native Americans:

I like the Chief Crazy Horse Memorial:
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/explo ... 20Memorial
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/crazy ... ire%20Site

The Native American Day celebration at Crazy Horse Memorial each year includes a free public program featuring Native American singers and dancers and a mountain blast (weather permitting). Programs and displays featuring artists, storytellers and hands-on activities for children are offered in the visitor complex. A free buffalo stew lunch is served. Also, the Crazy Horse Memorial Educator of the Year is named, honoring an individual for contributions to Native American education.

[Reutoa]

I support a Columbus Day national holiday to honor Christopher Columbus as the founder of the settlement of America. I support a Juneteenth national holiday to honor the freeing of the black African American slaves. I support a Native American Day national holiday to honor Native Americans:

I like the Chief Crazy Horse Memorial:
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/explo ... 20Memorial
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/crazy ... ire%20Site

The Native American Day celebration at Crazy Horse Memorial each year includes a free public program featuring Native American singers and dancers and a mountain blast (weather permitting). Programs and displays featuring artists, storytellers and hands-on activities for children are offered in the visitor complex. A free buffalo stew lunch is served. Also, the Crazy Horse Memorial Educator of the Year is named, honoring an individual for contributions to Native American education.

Columbus did not even discover America (Vikings) or establish the first Settlement, the first official Settlement was Caparra in Puetro Rico. It was known as La Ciudad de Puerto Rico a few hundred years ago and was Founded in 1508 by the Spanish.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I support a Columbus Day national holiday to honor Christopher Columbus as the founder of the settlement of America. I support a Juneteenth national holiday to honor the freeing of the black African American slaves. I support a Native American Day national holiday to honor Native Americans:

I like the Chief Crazy Horse Memorial:
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/explo ... 20Memorial
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com/crazy ... ire%20Site

The Native American Day celebration at Crazy Horse Memorial each year includes a free public program featuring Native American singers and dancers and a mountain blast (weather permitting). Programs and displays featuring artists, storytellers and hands-on activities for children are offered in the visitor complex. A free buffalo stew lunch is served. Also, the Crazy Horse Memorial Educator of the Year is named, honoring an individual for contributions to Native American education.

Columbus did not even discover America (Vikings) or establish the first Settlement, the first official Settlement was Caparra in Puetro Rico. It was known as La Ciudad de Puerto Rico a few hundred years ago and was Founded in 1508 by the Spanish.

Columbus is credited with discovering the Americas, which led to the settlement of the Americas, this is what I meant. I have read about the Vikings discovering the Americas first. I wish my native Cuba had stayed as the ever faithful isle province of España La Madre Patria.

[Reutoa]

Columbus did not even discover America (Vikings) or establish the first Settlement, the first official Settlement was Caparra in Puetro Rico. It was known as La Ciudad de Puerto Rico a few hundred years ago and was Founded in 1508 by the Spanish.

Columbus is credited with discovering the Americas, which led to the settlement of the Americas, this is what I meant. I have read about the Vikings discovering the Americas first. I wish my native Cuba had stayed as the ever faithful aisle province of España La Madre Patria.

Just because you are accredited with something doesn't make it true and worthy of praise (the Vikings even settled in Northern America hundreds of years before the Spanish), Columbus is already taught about in Schools worldwide and does not need a Day all about himself. Also Cuba staying with Spain? Doubt that would ever would have happened with how the Spanish treated their Cuban Subjects and the Dreams of America wanting an Empire.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Columbus is credited with discovering the Americas, which led to the settlement of the Americas, this is what I meant. I have read about the Vikings discovering the Americas first. I wish my native Cuba had stayed as the ever faithful aisle province of España La Madre Patria.

Just because you are accredited with something doesn't make it true and thus not worthy of praise, Columbus is already taught about in Schools worldwide and does not need a Day all about himself. Also Cuba staying with Spain? Doubt that would ever would have happened wit how the Spanish treated their Cuban Subjects.

We agree the Vikings discovered the America's first. So are you saying Columbus discovery of the America's did not began the settlement of the Americas by the Euros? José Martí at first supported Cuba stay with España La Madre Patria. I have family who emigrated legally from Cuba to the USA through España, they looked up the family name and found Spaniard relatives they visited with. The family sent them family remittances while they were there.

[Shrillland]

Good. Now let's get rid of the stupid holiday.

Bad, lets not get rid of Columbus day. Let me try to explain the mess I and Rojava started. The right already has what it wants Columbus day. The leftists want to get rid of Columbus day and his statues. So I said the problem is there is no compromise with the leftists. The only compromise possible I posted on here earlier is, keep Columbus day as a national holiday and add Juneteenth as a national holiday. But the leftists supporters of abolish Columbus day will not compromise on it. Politicians on both the right and the left might compromise on it as I suggest. I have no problems with Juneteenth as a national holiday to honor the freeing of the slaves, we already have a Martin Luther King Day as well I am ok with, as I posted earlier.

Erm....GMS, this whole proposal was brought up by a couple of pretty conservative Republican Senators.

[Heloin]

I support a Columbus Day national holiday to honor Christopher Columbus as the founder of the settlement of America.

That doesn't actually mean you have to honour him. Saying your honouring his skill as a navigator and his luck that he was wrong about the distance from Spain to China is saying that your willing to ignore the actual history of what he did for a mythologised version of that history. His settlement of Hispaniola is not really something you want to honour either. You can't really separate his actions on Hispaniola with how the colonisation of the New World would effect the people already living there.

Columbus did not even discover America (Vikings) or establish the first Settlement, the first official Settlement was Caparra in Puetro Rico. It was known as La Ciudad de Puerto Rico a few hundred years ago and was Founded in 1508 by the Spanish.

Columbus is credited with discovering the Americas, which led to the settlement of the Americas, this is what I meant. I have read about the Vikings discovering the Americas first. I wish my native Cuba had stayed as the ever faithful isle province of España La Madre Patria.

You're understanding of Cuban history also needs some touching up.

[Shrillland]

We say Columbus discovered America because he made it known to the wider world.

The Vikings beforehand arrived camped out for a winter, chopped down some trees and left and they did so without telling anyone. We only know about their exploits from Icelandic oral histories which also treated the exploits of Thor as fact. Other vikings didn't even know about their cousins finding a new land. We had doubts about the validity of these histories until vikings winter camps were found in the 1960's.

There is no need to rename Columbus day.

... The Exploits of Thor are fact.

Also, Juneteenth is a dumb holiday, for the same reason that making a holiday out of the cessation of you doing horrible things to your neighbors is a dumb thing to celebrate.

You don't memorialize or celebrate the Anniversary of the day your parents stop abusing you.

Really? Somebody tell that to all of us who celebrate the 4th of July.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I support a Columbus Day national holiday to honor Christopher Columbus as the founder of the settlement of America.

That doesn't actually mean you have to honour him. Saying your honouring his skill as a navigator and his luck that he was wrong about the distance from Spain to China is saying that your willing to ignore the actual history of what he did for a mythologised version of that history. His settlement of Hispaniola is not really something you want to honour either. You can't really separate his actions on Hispaniola with how the colonisation of the New World would effect the people already living there.

Columbus is credited with discovering the Americas, which led to the settlement of the Americas, this is what I meant. I have read about the Vikings discovering the Americas first. I wish my native Cuba had stayed as the ever faithful isle province of España La Madre Patria.

You're understanding of Cuban history also needs some touching up.

My understanding of Cuban history also needs some touching up, funny, good one lol.

[The Emerald Legion]

I'm totally cool with exchanging statues of Colulumbus for Statues of Leif Erikson.

[Heloin]

That doesn't actually mean you have to honour him. Saying your honouring his skill as a navigator and his luck that he was wrong about the distance from Spain to China is saying that your willing to ignore the actual history of what he did for a mythologised version of that history. His settlement of Hispaniola is not really something you want to honour either. You can't really separate his actions on Hispaniola with how the colonisation of the New World would effect the people already living there.


You're understanding of Cuban history also needs some touching up.

My understanding of Cuban history also needs some touching up, funny, good one lol.

Well it's nice to know you don't have an actual response. What do you want me to say? You don't know what you're talking about right now.

[Outer Bratorke]

Alright, we have two options here.

1. We should rechristen Columbus day to Convergence Day, when the fates of the old and new worlds were forever bound. Make the time a period of reflections of the good and the bad of old world explorers reaching the new world. It can be an opportunity of people to learn or relearn the distant origins of the US. Not to instill guilt into people, but to give them a better understanding of how nothing in history is in a vacuum.
Then perhaps it will help us understand how one persons hero is another's villain, and allow us to solve are problems with dialogue. We could finally learn to treat are fellows as people, not abstracted stereotypes.

Or 2. We do away with Columbus day and place Lief Erickson as a true paragon of humanity he is!

As you can see, it well take much debate to choose between these options, and I don't expect to live long enough to see it.

[Stellar Colonies]

Alright, we have two options here.

1. We should rechristen Columbus day to Convergence Day, when the fates of the old and new worlds were forever bound. Make the time a period of reflections of the good and the bad of old world explorers reaching the new world. It can be an opportunity of people to learn or relearn the distant origins of the US. Not to instill guilt into people, but to give them a better understanding of how nothing in history is in a vacuum.
Then perhaps it will help us understand how one persons hero is another's villain, and allow us to solve are problems with dialogue. We could finally learn to treat are fellows as people, not abstracted stereotypes.

Or 2. We do away with Columbus day and place Lief Erickson as a true paragon of humanity he is!

As you can see, it well take much debate to choose between these options, and I don't expect to live long enough to see it.

I like option one, nice and neutral and would ideally encourage people to look into the history.