How to save socialism in the US (and other western countries

[Diopolis]

They’d have better luck bringing up the command economies of antiquity, since they’re more likely to get that one right-

command economy is probably not a good way to characterise antiquity economies. It tends to look like that mostly because our sources on the administrations (and likely the administrations involved) didn't give two shits about the mundane bits of the economy except in its limited ability to tax it.

Bronze age economies were probably a feudal/theocratic command economy, but by the classical era that was more or less done with.

[Kubra]

command economy is probably not a good way to characterise antiquity economies. It tends to look like that mostly because our sources on the administrations (and likely the administrations involved) didn't give two shits about the mundane bits of the economy except in its limited ability to tax it.

Bronze age economies were probably a feudal/theocratic command economy, but by the classical era that was more or less done with.

I think that's a fair assesment, and classical antiquity was what I assumed was the meaning in context.

[Bear Stearns]

Tucker Carlson-style national bolshevism would be a winning platform.

[Cisairse]

Tucker Carlson-style national bolshevism would be a winning platform.

wtf tucker isn't nazbol

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Become more patriotic and socially conservative. Become more like the Labo/ur of yore.

[No State Here]

Tucker Carlson-style national bolshevism would be a winning platform.

wtf tucker isn't nazbol

He is a tankie, conservative, liberal, and capitalist at the same time

[Lavan Tiri]

Become more patriotic and socially conservative. Become more like the Labo/ur of yore.

Not gonna happen, most of the energy powering leftist movements in the West comes from a young, diverse crowd.

[Kowani]

wtf tucker isn't nazbol

He is a tankie, conservative, liberal, and capitalist at the same time

Carlson has the opinions he gets paid to have.

[Kubra]

Become more patriotic and socially conservative. Become more like the Labo/ur of yore.

and then totally fall apart when an Archduke gets assassinated

[Aureumterra]

It depends what you define as socialism. If it’s internationalism or globalism, than it’s inevitably going to die out. Socialist parties need to be more nationalistic, possibly socially conservative to win rural votes, and stand up to ridiculous open border movements and immigration calls.

I’d rather have patriotic socialists in power than neoliberals who’d sell the country out

[Cisairse]

wtf tucker isn't nazbol

He is a tankie, conservative, liberal, and capitalist at the same time

He's an opportunist and a partisan hack with no consistent set of values or ideology.

[Kedri]

Indeed. You can have leftists like me who are anti-communist, much like you can have right-wingers that are anti-fascist.

Yes. Just... being liberal doesn't make you socialist or communist.

What other options are there, aside from maybe Georgism?

[Atheris]

Yes. Just... being liberal doesn't make you socialist or communist.

What other options are there, aside from maybe Georgism?

Market liberalism.

[Duvniask]

It depends what you define as socialism. If it’s internationalism or globalism, than it’s inevitably going to die out. Socialist parties need to be more nationalistic, possibly socially conservative to win rural votes, and stand up to ridiculous open border movements and immigration calls.

I’d rather have patriotic socialists in power than neoliberals who’d sell the country out

Confining yourself to working within he national borders which you occupy only makes it harder to fight capitalism, which is a global order. Countries that try to insulate themselves against the world market cannot do so for long before bowing to its pressure. Questions of immigration and open borders aside, it is in the interest of all socialists to work together and assist each other across borders.

[Loben The 2nd]

It depends what you define as socialism. If it’s internationalism or globalism, than it’s inevitably going to die out. Socialist parties need to be more nationalistic, possibly socially conservative to win rural votes, and stand up to ridiculous open border movements and immigration calls.

I’d rather have patriotic socialists in power than neoliberals who’d sell the country out

Confining yourself to working within he national borders which you occupy only makes it harder to fight capitalism, which is a global order. Countries that try to insulate themselves against the world market cannot do so for long before bowing to its pressure. Questions of immigration and open borders aside, it is in the interest of all socialists to work together and assist each other across borders.

And people wonder why certain individuals despise socialists with a nigh psychotic amount of hatred.

[Duvniask]

Confining yourself to working within he national borders which you occupy only makes it harder to fight capitalism, which is a global order. Countries that try to insulate themselves against the world market cannot do so for long before bowing to its pressure. Questions of immigration and open borders aside, it is in the interest of all socialists to work together and assist each other across borders.

And people wonder why certain individuals despise socialists with a nigh psychotic amount of hatred.

What are you even trying to say?

[Loben The 2nd]

And people wonder why certain individuals despise socialists with a nigh psychotic amount of hatred.

What are you even trying to say?

None of your concern, but to boil it down I wish that there was a permanent solution to the socialist problem.

There’s always re education camps but that’s a bit ironic and on the nose.

[Duvniask]

What are you even trying to say?

None of your concern, but to boil it down I wish that there was a permanent solution to the socialist problem.

There’s always re education camps but that’s a bit ironic and on the nose.

So you just came here to tell me you want me to be killed? The sheer revulsion at the fact that people would take it upon themselves to fight for a better future - a very normal individual you are, I can tell.

[Loben The 2nd]

None of your concern, but to boil it down I wish that there was a permanent solution to the socialist problem.

There’s always re education camps but that’s a bit ironic and on the nose.

So you just came here to tell me you want me to be killed? The sheer revulsion at the fact that people would take it upon themselves to fight for a better future - a very normal individual you are, I can tell.

Not killed, defeated.

Two very different things.

[Duvniask]

So you just came here to tell me you want me to be killed? The sheer revulsion at the fact that people would take it upon themselves to fight for a better future - a very normal individual you are, I can tell.

Not killed, defeated.

Two very different things.

You say as you flaunt a dogwistle for fascism; the flag of a bunch of murderous thugs who aside from imposing German imperialism also terrorized civilians and straight up killed people for fun (as a direct consequence of their ethos).

[Loben The 2nd]

Not killed, defeated.

Two very different things.

You say as you flaunt a dogwistle for fascism; the flag of a bunch of murderous thugs who aside from imposing German imperialism also terrorized civilians and straight up killed people for fun (as a direct consequence of their ethos).

It’s called anti communist action, I don’t see any moral difference in what antifa does.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Well this thread is a train wreck.

[Diopolis]

Well this thread is a train wreck.

At the moment, yes.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Well this thread is a train wreck.

At the moment, yes.

I think I'm gonna just not.
There's nothing to be learned here.

[Cisairse]

Well this thread is a train wreck.

As are all threads devoted to left-wing topics since LWDT was shut down.