How to save socialism in the US (and other western countries

[Dominioan]

???That Has Nothing To Do With Anything???

It has everything to do with everything. It is not possible for a person to like anything more than they like hot dogs.

I haven't eaten a hot dog in over three years.

But this is off topic.

[Ana Glonti Biret]

i love remainings test test t

[KingFerdinand1]

???That Has Nothing To Do With Anything???

It has everything to do with everything. It is not possible for a person to like anything more than they like hot dogs.

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

[Kubra]

It has everything to do with everything. It is not possible for a person to like anything more than they like hot dogs.

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

But he's not my president, how can it be "our"?

[KingFerdinand1]

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

But he's not my president, how can it be "our"?

He Is The President Of America, Nothing Can Change That.

[Nuroblav]

Don’t you mean Stalinism?
Anyways, the only way to save socialism is to let Millennials run for president.

Same Thing.

Haha very funny. Perhaps you'd like to actually do a bit of research. I, for example, would consider myself some form of Socialist, but Stalinist? That's one of the last things many socialists and I would tag onto.

It has everything to do with everything. It is not possible for a person to like anything more than they like hot dogs.

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

Our president?

That's a rare occasion I've heard 'capitalism' and 'our' in the same sentence.

[Dominioan]

It has everything to do with everything. It is not possible for a person to like anything more than they like hot dogs.

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

Has Trump really "made america great again"? I mean, look at where we are now. The entire political center has be skewed to the right, and maybe thats a bad thing.

[KingFerdinand1]

Same Thing.

Haha very funny. Perhaps you'd like to actually do a bit of research. I, for example, would consider myself some form of Socialist, but Stalinist? That's one of the last things many socialists and I would tag onto.

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

Our president?

That's a rare occasion I've heard 'capitalism' and 'our' in the same sentence.

Capitalism Is The Greatest Tool For OUR Success As A Society And That Is A Fact.

[KingFerdinand1]

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

Has Trump really "made america great again"? I mean, look at where we are now. The entire political center has be skewed to the right, and maybe thats a bad thing.

I Couldnt Be Happier With Donald Trumps America.

[Nuroblav]

Capitalism Is The Greatest Tool For OUR Success As A Society And That Is A Fact.

Yeah...I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.

[KingFerdinand1]

Capitalism Is The Greatest Tool For OUR Success As A Society And That Is A Fact.

Yeah...I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Disagree If You Want, Your Allowed Do That In This Free Capitalist Society We Live In.

[Dominioan]

Has Trump really "made america great again"? I mean, look at where we are now. The entire political center has be skewed to the right, and maybe thats a bad thing.

I Couldnt Be Happier With Donald Trumps America.

What about his handling of the pandemic?
(also why do you capitalize everything?)

[KingFerdinand1]

I Couldnt Be Happier With Donald Trumps America.

What about his handling of the pandemic?
(also why do you capitalize everything?)

I Think Its Fine.
Thats My Business.

[Diopolis]

I Couldnt Be Happier With Donald Trumps America.

What about his handling of the pandemic?
(also why do you capitalize everything?)

Realtalk- The US has, by death rate, done decently well over the coronavirus pandemic(slightly better than most of western Europe, but far worse than the east/oceania, and much better than Latin Europe), and most of the most egregious mistakes were made by people who were not president Trump. That Trump- who wasn't making the pandemic decisions in the first place- is getting the blame for a solidly average level of pandemic impact being especially worse than the rest of the world is mostly a story of media bias+blame rolls uphill(and there were a few catastrophically bad decisions with a horrendous local impact).

[Kubra]

But he's not my president, how can it be "our"?

He Is The President Of America, Nothing Can Change That.

But nothing can change the fact that he's not my president, either.

[KingFerdinand1]

He Is The President Of America, Nothing Can Change That.

But nothing can change the fact that he's not my president, either.

Hes My President And Thats All That Matters.

[Kubra]

But nothing can change the fact that he's not my president, either.

Hes My President And Thats All That Matters.

Cmon man you're ruining the punchline setup
you're supposed to say he is my president and I'm supposed to say I live somewhere else

[KingFerdinand1]

Hes My President And Thats All That Matters.

Cmon man you're ruining the punchline setup
you're supposed to say he is my president and I'm supposed to say I live somewhere else

I Dont Care About Your Joke.

[The Emerald Legion]

Hes My President And Thats All That Matters.

Cmon man you're ruining the punchline setup
you're supposed to say he is my president and I'm supposed to say I live somewhere else

Let's be fair, he's your president too even if you DO live somewhere else. You just don't get to vote for/against him or get him even pretending to care about your opinion.

[Atheris]

Cmon man you're ruining the punchline setup
you're supposed to say he is my president and I'm supposed to say I live somewhere else

Let's be fair, he's your president too even if you DO live somewhere else. You just don't get to vote for/against him or get him even pretending to care about your opinion.

No he's not. If you live in Russia, your president isn't Trump. It's Putin.

[Bear Stearns]

Socialism would be fairly popular in the US if it dropped all the woke bullshit and was nationalistic on culture issues.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Socialism would be fairly popular in the US if it dropped all the woke bullshit and was nationalistic on culture issues.

Agreed. Why must socialism be anti-west?

[Mirjt]

There are a lot of tactics socialists can use to grow socialism, of course as leftists our infighting never ends (should be have markets or no markets, if we have planned economy should it be centrally planned or decentrally planned, should we have a state or no state, should we have money or no money, are we in favor of gun rights for recreation and personal or community defense or do we oppose firearms, etc...).

We need to have serious debate on how we plan to unify our various tendencies. Should we rely on the tactics of platformism, or should we have big tent multi-tendency organizations that welcome all different tendencies to work to together, or maybe both?

One debate that never ends is should we as socialists and leftists engage in electoral politics or should we focus instead on direct action and protests, or both?

We must also address the media bias against the left and socialism (the media generally won't go any further left than liberalism and oftentimes are downright conservative or even further right-wing), which makes it hard to spread our ideas and fight misinformation about them, which means we need serious community education outreach programs. What's more is we must do it in a way that does not cause people to dismiss us out of hand due to preconceived notions of what our politics are (I think the YouTubers PhilosophyTube and ContraPoints among many others, often help in that regard, but it is difficult to spread our ideas while we are still using platforms run by corporations and for-profit entities and overly hierarchial entities that are antagonistic against our ideas and refuse to give them a fair opportunity to spread).

I personally am in favor of trying as many various peaceful tactics (resorting to violence only in self-defense or to minimize violence overall) as we can, because I believe that gives us the best chance of achieving our objectives, though I can understand that others don't want us to squander our limited resources on tactics that have less opportunity to work. These are difficult questions, and while we cannot expect everyone on the left to agree (I mentioned our endless infighting before), we must have these debates, make our cases, and work towards some kind of consensus if our movements are to have any chance of success. This, however, is another criticism often lobbied at leftist and socialist groups - too much time reading theory, and having bookclubs, and not enough electoral action or direct action (regardless of which of these tactics you want to use).

I am not sure how helpful this post will be, but I hope I brought up useful points for further discussion.

I would also like to provide the following links:

This is a video about a new "ideology" - really it is just a bunch of tactics and perspective for libertarian socialism that someone wrote a book about just a few months ago: Anarcho-hybridism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Pcvefosuw

This is an article meant to discuss Nathan Robbinson's book "Why You Should be a Socialist" which is a book he wrote to persuade non-socialists to become socialists by describing what socialists generally have in common (despite our infighting). https://jacobinmag.com/2020/04/why-you- ... -robinson/

[Auze]

Isn't what you're trying to describe basically just Distributism (which in my opinion is probably more practical than socialism or communism)?

That's not "basically distributism". Distributism is a totally separate thing.

I was trying to be generous to him (and was also too tired to word it better). I am aware that Distributism is a completely different system compared to both capitalism and socialism.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

It has everything to do with everything. It is not possible for a person to like anything more than they like hot dogs.

Nothing Compares To My Love Of Freedom And Capitalism And OUR President Donald Trump. That Includes Hot Dogs.

You are the first man love Trump I saw on NS.I love Mr Trump,too.

Has Trump really "made america great again"? I mean, look at where we are now. The entire political center has be skewed to the right, and maybe thats a bad thing.

Only if America is no longer great,he can MAGA.I mean,America is still great.