How to save socialism in the US (and other western countries

[Nevertopia]

I think the best way to save socialism in the US is to use capitalism to prop it up. Capitalism is all about accumilating wealth while socialism is about how to use it. Maybe they're two halves that should be working with each other instead of against.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Stable electricity, transportation, communications. Medical and educational coverage for all, good social security.No homelessness and low unemployment.
Because of sanctions, there is no oil, fertilizer and industrial raw materials.Food and consumer goods are in short supply, and cars and agricultural machinery cannot run.People are malnourished.
Of course, North Korea has already deviated from the socialist road, citing a bad example.I'm sorry.

lol, stable electricity, take a look at the photos of North Korea at night and compare it to South Korea and get back to me. That'd be impressive in like 1890 but not now. Hell, compare NK to China for that matter...they are literally the asshole of the world in every aspect when you consider the sheer amount of overwhelming government oppression combined with such a shitty standard of living. You'd be better off in Somalia or Congo than NK, at least in those countries you're free.

Before 1990, North Korea had completed industrialization and urbanization.Agriculture also uses machinery on a large scale.The urbanization rate once reached 70%.North Korea is a good example of what will happens when energy is exhausted in an industrialized country.They used to have a better standard of living, not as poor as China, Laos and Vietnam in their south.

[Duvniask]

I think the best way to save socialism in the US is to use capitalism to prop it up. Capitalism is all about accumilating wealth while socialism is about how to use it. Maybe they're two halves that should be working with each other instead of against.

Could you spare the world your complete and total ignorance of what words mean?

[Purpelia]

lol, stable electricity, take a look at the photos of North Korea at night and compare it to South Korea and get back to me. That'd be impressive in like 1890 but not now. Hell, compare NK to China for that matter...they are literally the asshole of the world in every aspect when you consider the sheer amount of overwhelming government oppression combined with such a shitty standard of living. You'd be better off in Somalia or Congo than NK, at least in those countries you're free.

The "pictures of North Korea at night" talking point is kinda old. So my reply might be also out of date: North Korea couldn't afford the fuel to keep power on around the clock (except in the capital where the elite live), so they declared a curfew and shut the power off each night. It was a deliberate policy not "unstable" power, and also not a complete lack of electricity infrastructure. Though I acknowledge that you didn't say the latter; some do.

You should also recognize some nuance in the position that North Korea's terrible economy is due only to their juche socialist system. Their general hostility (to everyone but China anyway) and their development of nukes are not inherently socialist things, but they did lead to the terrible sanctions which largely account for their economic failure.

We should really get over the idea that strong sanctions will cause the people to rise up and depose a military dictatorship. All the sanctions do is to entrench the government by presenting ourselves as an external enemy of the people ... and starve the people. General sanctions are bloody minded and cruel. We should have realized they were not working long before nukes and missiles proved it to us.

Quite. What people fail to realize is that Juche is NOT the cause of their current economic failure but their response to it. The DPRK has been placed under sanctions which prevent them from trading with the outside world for the crime of daring to develop the only type of weapon that prevent them from becoming a satellite state of someone. And than they invented Juche after the fact as an ideological excuse.

The world isn't raping us unjustly, Juche says. We totally want it this way.

[Nevertopia]

I think the best way to save socialism in the US is to use capitalism to prop it up. Capitalism is all about accumilating wealth while socialism is about how to use it. Maybe they're two halves that should be working with each other instead of against.

Could you spare the world your complete and total ignorance of what words mean?

i think it would be great if socialists and democracy could work together dont you think?

[The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan]

even though socialism is widespread in the common world and the USA seems to tell itself as a patron of socialism
since the beginning of the cold war to the 1990's USA has opposed the spread of socialism and communism in every other way , like participating in Vietnam war etc.
USA does infact hate socialism, USA is capitalist

[Atheris]

even though socialism is widespread in the common world and the USA seems to tell itself as a patron of socialism
since the beginning of the cold war to the 19990's USA has opposed the spread of socialism and communism in every other way , like participating in Vietnam war etc.
USA does infact hate socialism, USA is capitalist

That's a given. The USA has never championed itself as a patron of socialism, even domestically.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Could you spare the world your complete and total ignorance of what words mean?

i think it would be great if socialists and democracy could work together dont you think?

They easily can.

Capitalism and democracy aren't as good a match, but they do manage to get along.

So that's how we can have socialism and capitalism in the same country: by the mediation of democracy.

[The Reformed American Republic]

i think it would be great if socialists and democracy could work together dont you think?

They easily can.

Capitalism and democracy aren't as good a match, but they do manage to get along.

So that's how we can have socialism and capitalism in the same country: by the mediation of democracy.

socialists tend to subvert democracy though once they gain power. Social democracy is better.

[Asle Leopolka]

If it doesn't work it doesn't work. Let the free market and will of the people decide and if it winds up being capitalism then stop trying to shove an incompatible system down our throats.

Why is it so hard for socialists to accept that the US may not be a good match for their ideology?

[Kubra]

They easily can.

Capitalism and democracy aren't as good a match, but they do manage to get along.

So that's how we can have socialism and capitalism in the same country: by the mediation of democracy.

socialists tend to subvert democracy though once they gain power. Social democracy is better.

practically speaking, any government that assumes it is or might be a minority of voter preference in an upcoming election is gonna take steps to move things on their favour.
It ain't good, but banality if evil and shit y'know?

[Asle Leopolka]

socialists tend to subvert democracy though once they gain power. Social democracy is better.

practically speaking, any government that assumes it is or might be a minority of voter preference in an upcoming election is gonna take steps to move things on their favour.
It ain't good, but banality if evil and shit y'know?

The US really needs to abandon its two-party system and move to more of a parliamentary one.

[Auze]

I think the best way to save socialism in the US is to use capitalism to prop it up. Capitalism is all about accumilating wealth while socialism is about how to use it. Maybe they're two halves that should be working with each other instead of against.

Isn't what you're trying to describe basically just Distributism (which in my opinion is probably more practical than socialism or communism)?

[Zottistan]

I have a strong suspicion that leftist radicalism in the US is going to be lead by black nationalism more so than "traditional" socialism, or more likely by a union of the two in which black radicalism takes the foreground. It's got more revolutionary potential at the moment, and maybe more to the point, white communists and anarchists will happily rally behind black radicalism, itself a movement with historic ties to socialism and Marxism-Leninism, whereas black radicals are less likely to rally behind the leadership of white socialists - understandably so. Solidarity and coalition building is the name of the game of course, but I think at the moment the most revolutionary energy could be rallied behind black nationalism and black leftism.

[Cisairse]

let's just let the trots take over and agree that we'll go back to infighting after we've dismantled capitalism. Capiche?

[KingFerdinand1]

Socialism Is Terrible And Its Death In America Would Be The Best Thing Since Mr Donald Trump Became President.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Joe Biden, a moderate,

Not by any stretch of the definition.

It's a reference to his "third way" economics.

[Cisairse]

Socialism Is Terrible And Its Death In America Would Be The Best Thing Since Mr Donald Trump Became President.

lmfao nice meme

[The Reformed American Republic]

socialists tend to subvert democracy though once they gain power. Social democracy is better.

practically speaking, any government that assumes it is or might be a minority of voter preference in an upcoming election is gonna take steps to move things on their favour.
It ain't good, but banality if evil and shit y'know?

Socialists tend to act more like fascists than mainstream ideologies though in that area.

[KingFerdinand1]

Socialism Is Terrible And Its Death In America Would Be The Best Thing Since Mr Donald Trump Became President.

lmfao nice meme

Theres Nothing Thats A 'Meme' About The Truth.

[Kowani]

Socialism Is Terrible And Its Death In America Would Be The Best Thing Since Mr Donald Trump Became President.

If Trump was a good president, you’d be at least in the realm of reality.
But he’s not.

[Dollystana]

I think the best way to save socialism in the US is to use capitalism to prop it up. Capitalism is all about accumilating wealth while socialism is about how to use it. Maybe they're two halves that should be working with each other instead of against.

Good idea.

[Nuroblav]

Socialism Is Terrible And Its Death In America Would Be The Best Thing Since Mr Donald Trump Became President.

Your reasons being...

[Free Northwest Sovereign]

The idea of property belonging to the public rather than private interests is not very evil. I'm against it because I don't think it would be feasible or necessary. I think that more problems can be solved by amending the system because the idea of capitalism is not evil either, but parts of today's capitalism are detrimental for society. Some of these are inherent flaws, but the majority can be fixed eventually and starting all over again will not do this as well.

However, the name of "socialism" means something very different. To add context, I am the son of an immigrant from a country under "socialism" that is in extreme poverty. A lot of it was caused by American terrorism and interference. However, despite initially being democratic, the "socialist" regime has always been ridden with corruption and is continuing to rob the country of every centavo left.

"Socialism" is now a name of a menace. "Socialists" never fulfill promises from their rhetoric and often resemble the fascists and plutocrats they claim to fight. Socialism does not deliver.

I know that Bernie's economics resemble liberal capitalism with a left lean. He does not support the evil sort of fake socialists like Maduro. However, socialism is not a rhetoric that should spread. Most Americans who think they are socialist mean well, whether they are legitimately socialist or not. But it's important to remember that "socialism" almost always transforms in meaning as it grows. First it is anarchism, then it is for the people, and then it ends up as tyranny most of the time. Calling his Keynesian ideology socialism was one of the greatest mistakes Bernie has made and Democrats should distance themselves from this.

Instead of blindly trying to make socialism have a comeback, Americans concerned for the future of their country should focus on stopping the radical right and restoring unity. If the growing issues in America are not resolved, political violence will only get worse and there will be absolute tyranny. The fact that socialism is being uttered as a proposition goes to show how bad inequality is getting in this country.

[Kubra]

practically speaking, any government that assumes it is or might be a minority of voter preference in an upcoming election is gonna take steps to move things on their favour.
It ain't good, but banality if evil and shit y'know?

Socialists tend to act more like fascists than mainstream ideologies though in that area.

not really. Outside the world view of those from North America or in the UK left-of-labour(and I suppose I should include myself in that category, in fairness) socialist folks in socialist parties are reasonably popular, governing as often as their other mainstream opponents. In places where vote manipulation is more prevalent and explicit (think occasional gerrymandering versus outright fudging numbers it's most of the time hard to blame singular parties for the practice, merely for its use at a specific time.