Vladimir Putin to remain in power until 2036

[New haven america]

lol, Belarusians have been trying to distance themselves as much as possible from Russia for the past decade thanks to Russia's interventions/take overs of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea/Eastern Ukraine.

1. A few sudden wanted deals with Pompeo and state visits doesn't mean Belarus is suddenly pro-west. Belorussians also have zero political influence. 2. The Belorussian media is still entirely Russian, they're language is still unfortunately dominated by Russian.

3. Anyway, Lukashenko wanting to save himself from the Union State is entirely irrelevant to the history of British intervention in Belarus.

'lol'

1. ...Well, yes they actually are because Europe is part of the West.
2. Actually, they've switched over to Belarusian because they're not interested in Russia's possible intervention.
3. No it's not.

[New haven america]

In what way is that "liberal"?

Because he doesn't want Russia to remain a dictatorship after he's finished being Head of State.

That's not how that works Sun.

[Baltenstein]

I mean, I mostly agree, but America isn't completely Russophobic, and he isn't a centrist. He is to the right.

My sweet Summer child, how could a rightist express remorse for the fall of the Soviet Union?

All right-winger like to fantasize about a Glorious Past that never actually existed the way they portray it. In Russia, the Soviet Union is said past. Russian nationalists see no contradiction in glorifying both the USSR and Tsarist Russia.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I mean, I mostly agree, but America isn't completely Russophobic, and he isn't a centrist. He is to the right.

Putin is actually hard to classify in the left-right spectrum, but most of his social policies are definitely right-leaning.

Putin is a great centrist leader who really cares for the Russian people. Just look at that flat tax they all have. If they want more of him, that is none of our business and we should spend our time recalling Andrew Cuomo. The fact we aren’t just goes to show how systemically Russophobia America is.

Did you forget that the referendum is a joke and does not reflect popular opinion in any way?

Because he doesn't want Russia to remain a dictatorship after he's finished being Head of State.

Quite the opposite, he is looking for an autocratic successor that continues his policies.

First of all, the fact that the referendum isn't 99% or 100% approval, like Most dictatorial regimes do, shows us that maybe it's not rigged. At worst, it shows the Russian elections are free, but not fair. Even if it was rigged and the referendum fee, I doubt most people would reject it. Third of all, the President now looses a few powers, such as appointing the Prime Minister.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

*Vladimir Putin to remain in power for life*

Fixed the title for you.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

1. A few sudden wanted deals with Pompeo and state visits doesn't mean Belarus is suddenly pro-west. Belorussians also have zero political influence. 2. The Belorussian media is still entirely Russian, they're language is still unfortunately dominated by Russian.

3. Anyway, Lukashenko wanting to save himself from the Union State is entirely irrelevant to the history of British intervention in Belarus.

'lol'

1. ...Well, yes they actually are because Europe is part of the West.
2. Actually, they've switched over to Belarusian because they're not interested in Russia's possible intervention.
3. No it's not.

I'm not talking geographically, I'm talking about North Americas/Western Europe's sphere. Belarus is still tightly tied to Russia through the CSTO-Union State-Eurasian Economic Union and a number of other agreements, it is by all definitions in Russia's control. Very hard spot to wiggle out of.

That doesn't change the dominance of Russian in media circles and prevalence in public life, too little and too late. Belarus' non-USSR state symbols haven't been put forward, it's constitution and internal political processes are not still compatible with EU standards. Lukashenko of course fears Russian intervention and this has dictated his latest policies, the overall result of them is down to prediction.

[Slavakino]

Lovely

[Shanghai industrial complex]

1. A few sudden wanted deals with Pompeo and state visits doesn't mean Belarus is suddenly pro-west. Belorussians also have zero political influence. 2. The Belorussian media is still entirely Russian, they're language is still unfortunately dominated by Russian.

3. Anyway, Lukashenko wanting to save himself from the Union State is entirely irrelevant to the history of British intervention in Belarus.

'lol'

1. ...Well, yes they actually are because Europe is part of the West.
2. Actually, they've switched over to Belarusian because they're not interested in Russia's possible intervention.
3. No it's not.

They have a Union State of Russia and Belarus.But Russia boldly proposed that they should merge and reorganize the Soviet Union.That scares Belarus.But Belarus has restored a large part of the political system and policies of the Soviet era.At the Russian military parade this year, they also took out the flag of 1st Belorussian Front and 2nd Belorussian Front.Maybe they're waiting for Russia to become Russian
Soviet again 'lol'

[Kowani]

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

[San Lumen]

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

[The Alma Mater]

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

He will probably start grooming. Perhaps one of his daughters.

[San Lumen]

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

He will probably start grooming. Perhaps one of his daughters.

That's a possibility

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

The communist party still exists, and I'm pretty sure they have a governor. Russian SFSR 2: Electric Boogaloo? Or the military might make a junta/

[Kargintina the Third]

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

He will probably start grooming. Perhaps one of his daughters.

I took this the wrong way when I first read it

[West Leas Oros 2]

Not TOO surprising honestly. I figured he might actually have not run for president in 2024. There goes that crappy short story I wrote a few years ago.

[San Lumen]

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

The communist party still exists, and I'm pretty sure they have a governor. Russian SFSR 2: Electric Boogaloo? Or the military might make a junta/

Russia is a one party state at this point. The opposition have very little chance of winning a national election.

[Mushet]

As bad as he is they've been through about 100 years straight of worse.

[Mushet]

He will probably start grooming. Perhaps one of his daughters.

I took this the wrong way when I first read it

Or maybe you took it the right way.

[Mushet]

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

Après moi, le déluge

[Exalted Inquellian State]

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

Après moi, le déluge

Is a hoi4 mod where Napoleon wins. Sadly, it has barely any content and wasn't updated, so have Gates of Versailles instead.

[The Cazistan]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/russia-vote-victory-for-putin-who-could-now-stay-in-power-until-2036.html

Russians have overwhelmingly voted in favor of changes to the country's constitution that enable President Vladimir Putin to potentially stay in power up to 2036.

With all the votes counted, the electoral commission said Thursday morning that the final count showed 77.9% of those who voted were in favor of amendments to the constitution of Russia and 21.2% against, state news agency RIA Novosti reported. Data showed voter turnout was 65%, the commission said.

The constitutional amendments covered a raft of issues ranging from the minimum wage and pensions, to giving Putin the right to run for two more six-year terms in office. The 67-year old's current term ends in 2024.

The vote on constitutional amendments was billed as a referendum, but in reality the changes had already been passed by Russia's parliament and the public vote was seen as a move to legitimize the amendments. Putin has not yet explicitly stated that he will run for office again.

Critics of the Kremlin say the vote was neither transparent nor conducted according to usual electoral standards; ballot boxes were set in conventional polling stations but also on pavements, and in fields and parks.

Some voters — those in Moscow and the Nizhny Novgorod region — were able to vote online, and votes were cast from abroad too. A Russian cosmonaut even voted from space as he is stationed at the International Space Station. Controversially, incentives were also reportedly offered to voters, with reports of prizes being up for grabs.

Russia's electoral commission has rebuffed accusations of irregularities, however, saying on Twitter that it had received few complaints and had taken measures to prevent double voting, adding that voter lists would be checked and verified.

Opposition politician Alexei Navalny, who has heavily criticized the electoral procedure during the week-long vote, called it illegitimate. "We'll never recognize this result," Navalny told supporters in a video, Reuters reported. Navalny said on Twitter the opposition would focus its efforts on regional elections later this year in its efforts to defeat ruling party United Russia.

"The best reaction to what happened is not despair and anxiety, but the mobilization of thousands of observers this fall and the defeat of United Russia in the regional elections, where at least some procedure has remained," Navalny tweeted.

Putin gave a speech Tuesday, on the eve of the last day of voting, calling on Russians to vote, though he did not mention how the changes would amend rules to the presidential office that "reset the clock" on Putin's presidency.

Well this is certainly not good. I don’t think any leader should be in power that long. Russia is essentially a full on dictatorship at this point. However without Putin leaving office soon it brings up the question of what happens when he eventually passes away? Collapse? Civil War? And what effect will this vote have on Russia’s neighbors such as Ukraine who have been issues with Russia?

based anti-democracy gang

[-Astoria-]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/russia-vote-victory-for-putin-who-could-now-stay-in-power-until-2036.html

Russians have overwhelmingly voted in favor of changes to the country's constitution that enable President Vladimir Putin to potentially stay in power up to 2036.

With all the votes counted, the electoral commission said Thursday morning that the final count showed 77.9% of those who voted were in favor of amendments to the constitution of Russia and 21.2% against, state news agency RIA Novosti reported. Data showed voter turnout was 65%, the commission said.

The constitutional amendments covered a raft of issues ranging from the minimum wage and pensions, to giving Putin the right to run for two more six-year terms in office. The 67-year old's current term ends in 2024.

The vote on constitutional amendments was billed as a referendum, but in reality the changes had already been passed by Russia's parliament and the public vote was seen as a move to legitimize the amendments. Putin has not yet explicitly stated that he will run for office again.

Critics of the Kremlin say the vote was neither transparent nor conducted according to usual electoral standards; ballot boxes were set in conventional polling stations but also on pavements, and in fields and parks.

Some voters — those in Moscow and the Nizhny Novgorod region — were able to vote online, and votes were cast from abroad too. A Russian cosmonaut even voted from space as he is stationed at the International Space Station. Controversially, incentives were also reportedly offered to voters, with reports of prizes being up for grabs.

Russia's electoral commission has rebuffed accusations of irregularities, however, saying on Twitter that it had received few complaints and had taken measures to prevent double voting, adding that voter lists would be checked and verified.

Opposition politician Alexei Navalny, who has heavily criticized the electoral procedure during the week-long vote, called it illegitimate. "We'll never recognize this result," Navalny told supporters in a video, Reuters reported. Navalny said on Twitter the opposition would focus its efforts on regional elections later this year in its efforts to defeat ruling party United Russia.

"The best reaction to what happened is not despair and anxiety, but the mobilization of thousands of observers this fall and the defeat of United Russia in the regional elections, where at least some procedure has remained," Navalny tweeted.

Putin gave a speech Tuesday, on the eve of the last day of voting, calling on Russians to vote, though he did not mention how the changes would amend rules to the presidential office that "reset the clock" on Putin's presidency.

Well this is certainly not good. I don’t think any leader should be in power that long. Russia is essentially a full on dictatorship at this point. However without Putin leaving office soon it brings up the question of what happens when he eventually passes away? Collapse? Civil War? And what effect will this vote have on Russia’s neighbors such as Ukraine who have been issues with Russia?

based anti-democracy gang

Much cursed, that comment is.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

Well,I think it's a traditional Russian politics performance.Every famous Russian emperor and Soviet leader had a power struggle or coup.

[Vivolkha]

Putin is actually hard to classify in the left-right spectrum, but most of his social policies are definitely right-leaning.


Did you forget that the referendum is a joke and does not reflect popular opinion in any way?


Quite the opposite, he is looking for an autocratic successor that continues his policies.

First of all, the fact that the referendum isn't 99% or 100% approval, like Most dictatorial regimes do, shows us that maybe it's not rigged. At worst, it shows the Russian elections are free, but not fair. Even if it was rigged and the referendum fee, I doubt most people would reject it. Third of all, the President now looses a few powers, such as appointing the Prime Minister.

You said it yourself: not fair. The result is questionable.
Contrary to popular belief, Russia's electoral manipulations are quite advanced. Everybody knows that a 99% for is rigged, but a 70% provides more opportunities for plausible deniability.

Also, you missed out the part that the only reason the President loses powers is because Putin is setting up a succession plan.

What?
There's a reason Belorussians and Russians have turned 'Anglo' into a slur, the 'intervention' with Rasputin and Imperial politics helped in some regards. It be best if England stays a way before we have a worse outcome.

lol, Belarusians have been trying to distance themselves as much as possible from Russia for the past decade thanks to Russia's interventions/take overs of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Crimea/Eastern Ukraine.

Belarus goes its own way, specifically the one that allows Lukashenko to perpetuate himself in power. Ever heard of the Lukashenko pendulum? Yesterday was Russia, today is the West, tomorrow will be Russia, the next day will be the West again...

I fully expect to see this thread in 2036,if Putin hasn't died of old age.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

One way Putin has of showing his control is by using surprising political maneuvers. We all know he would keep in power, we didn't know how. The referendum came as a surprise even to his allies.

Point is, he might have a successor planned. We can't know.

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

The communist party still exists, and I'm pretty sure they have a governor. Russian SFSR 2: Electric Boogaloo? Or the military might make a junta/

The communist party has been reduced to nothing but pliable "opposition".

There is going to a massive power struggle when he steps down and when he finally kicks the bucket. There is no heir apparent as he has destroyed all opposition.

Well,I think it's a traditional Russian politics performance.Every famous Russian emperor and Soviet leader had a power struggle or coup.

Guess that's why Putin is trying to pull of the "Nazarbayev maneuver".

[Rojava Free State]

In recent news today, an Eastern despot chose to give himself even more unjust power. News at 11 lol.