So what's plan B if defunding cops creates anarchy?

[Vassenor]

The police already do nothing about crime when it happens right in front of them, so I'm failing to see how defunding the police will make things worse.

[Kenche Gle]

The police already do nothing about crime when it happens right in front of them, so I'm failing to see how defunding the police will make things worse.

Cops right now aren't doing their tasks correctly due to the fact that no matter what they do, if the news gets a hold of it they'll just spin it around back against them + to my knowledge police officers already deal with hundreds of millions of cases per year, so saying that they "do nothing about crime" is simply incorrect.

[La Xinga]

The police already do nothing about crime when it happens right in front of them, so I'm failing to see how defunding the police will make things worse.

The police are scared to do anything anymore.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I'm not a fan of defunding the police, but I'm not exactly a fan of what went down recently. We need to be better at finding and removing the corrupt and bad in our police force, as well as properly train our cops to deal with the situations properly. But thats more likely to require more funding rather than defunding.

[Ifreann]

Armed citizen militias. They can deal with criminals regardless of liberal or left-wing objections.

But without the police, who would protect the vigilantes when the people they're attacking see fit to defend themselves?

[Kenche Gle]

Armed citizen militias. They can deal with criminals regardless of liberal or left-wing objections.

So this?

[Kowani]

The police already do nothing about crime when it happens right in front of them, so I'm failing to see how defunding the police will make things worse.

Cops right now aren't doing their tasks correctly due to the fact that no matter what they do, if the news gets a hold of it they'll just spin it around back against them + to my knowledge police officers already deal with hundreds of millions of cases per year, so saying that they "do nothing about crime" is simply incorrect.

Considering that only 46% of violent crime, and 19% of property crimes result in an arrest and charge, much less a conviction, and this has held fro decades now, I don’t think your argument really holds water.

[Vassenor]

The police already do nothing about crime when it happens right in front of them, so I'm failing to see how defunding the police will make things worse.

The police are scared to do anything anymore.

To scared to intercede in an assault on a journalist? That's a pathetic justification.

[Vassenor]

The police already do nothing about crime when it happens right in front of them, so I'm failing to see how defunding the police will make things worse.

Cops right now aren't doing their tasks correctly due to the fact that no matter what they do, if the news gets a hold of it they'll just spin it around back against them + to my knowledge police officers already deal with hundreds of millions of cases per year, so saying that they "do nothing about crime" is simply incorrect.

Journalist gets assaulted right in front of a police officer. Police officer does nothing. What does general case load have to do with that?

[La Xinga]

The police are scared to do anything anymore.

To scared to intercede in an assault on a journalist? That's a pathetic justification.

No it is not. Police are scared to do anything.

[Rusozak]

Armed citizen militias. They can deal with criminals regardless of liberal or left-wing objections.

So this?

That just sounds like a lynch mob with extra steps.

[Gormwood]

So this?

That just sounds like a lynch mob with extra steps.

"An Armed Society Is A Polite Society" is a conjob that tries to sell Mutually Assured Destruction on a personal level as a crime deterrent.

[Gormwood]

Cops right now aren't doing their tasks correctly due to the fact that no matter what they do, if the news gets a hold of it they'll just spin it around back against them + to my knowledge police officers already deal with hundreds of millions of cases per year, so saying that they "do nothing about crime" is simply incorrect.

Journalist gets assaulted right in front of a police officer. Police officer does nothing. What does general case load have to do with that?

It's police throwing a Trumper Tantrum in response to calls for defunding and reform gaining ground.

[Vassenor]

To scared to intercede in an assault on a journalist? That's a pathetic justification.

No it is not. Police are scared to do anything.

I mean as the rest of that thread shows, they're not.

[La Xinga]

No it is not. Police are scared to do anything.

I mean as the rest of that thread shows, they're not.

Only if they're not doing anything the people they're against.

[Kenche Gle]

Cops right now aren't doing their tasks correctly due to the fact that no matter what they do, if the news gets a hold of it they'll just spin it around back against them + to my knowledge police officers already deal with hundreds of millions of cases per year, so saying that they "do nothing about crime" is simply incorrect.

Considering that only 46% of violent crime, and 19% of property crimes result in an arrest and charge, much less a conviction, and this has held fro decades now, I don’t think your argument really holds water.

You also realize that, in 2015, only 46.5% of violent crime was reported to police while only 34.6% of property crimes were. It makes sense that police only solve 46% of violent crime and 19% of property crime, due to the fact that the vast majority of violent crime isn't reported and the vast majority of property crimes are things like theft and burglary, which are often hard to solve due to the lack of evidence. You can see the stats of crimes reported here on page 6

[Kenche Gle]

Cops right now aren't doing their tasks correctly due to the fact that no matter what they do, if the news gets a hold of it they'll just spin it around back against them + to my knowledge police officers already deal with hundreds of millions of cases per year, so saying that they "do nothing about crime" is simply incorrect.

Journalist gets assaulted right in front of a police officer. Police officer does nothing. What does general case load have to do with that?

"What does general case load have to do with that?" - the fact that you said that "police already do nothing about crime"

[Vassenor]

Journalist gets assaulted right in front of a police officer. Police officer does nothing. What does general case load have to do with that?

"What does general case load have to do with that?" - the fact that you said that "police already do nothing about crime"

So you're leaning on semantics then in lieu of an actual argument.

[Ifreann]

To scared to intercede in an assault on a journalist? That's a pathetic justification.

No it is not. Police are scared to do anything.

Maybe they should quit, then.

[La Xinga]

No it is not. Police are scared to do anything.

Maybe they should quit, then.

*All cops quit*

[Ifreann]

Maybe they should quit, then.

*All cops quit*

Excellent.

[Kenche Gle]

"What does general case load have to do with that?" - the fact that you said that "police already do nothing about crime"

So you're leaning on semantics then in lieu of an actual argument.

No, I already told you my argument. Police already deal with a ton of crime and the police force being a thing acts as a deterrent for people to actually go out there and do crimes. So your stance that "defunding the police wouldn't make things worse" and that "police already do nothing about crime" is faulty.

[Vassenor]

So you're leaning on semantics then in lieu of an actual argument.

No, I already told you my argument. Police already deal with a ton of crime and the police force being a thing acts as a deterrent for people to actually go out there and do crimes. So your stance that "defunding the police wouldn't make things worse" and that "police already do nothing about crime" is faulty.

Well the police being present didn't deter that assault. The police also refused to intercede in the assault when it happened right in front of them.

[Gormwood]

*All cops quit*

Excellent.

So how is crime prevented or punished?

[La Xinga]

*All cops quit*

Excellent.

*Crimes runs rampant and hundreds of murders happen every day*