So what's plan B if defunding cops creates anarchy?

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

I am not talking about the police system. The only salvation for you guys is to tear down and rebuild your entire society from the bottom up. You can start by getting rid of the gun culture, the culture of the self reliant individual etc.

Tearing society down and building it back up again is a European thing.
It's not possible without strong neighbours who invade you from time to time.

The paradoxically both strong and weak inhabitants allow it... Greed, narcissism, and nationalism/tribalism seem very likely to lead to a restart of much of Usonia society unless the society changes significantly [its direction headed].

[Slavakino]

PMC's overrun or Martial Law. Defunding cops is stupid, its only a wet dream for stupid AnCaps or AnComs who don't realise anarchism will ruin their lives

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Tearing society down and building it back up again is a European thing.
It's not possible without strong neighbours who invade you from time to time.

The paradoxically both strong and weak inhabitants allow it... Greed, narcissism, and nationalism/tribalism seem very likely to lead to a restart of much of Usonia society unless the society changes significantly [its direction headed].

In the long term I agree with you. But just for this year I'm wary of Democrats putting too much on the agenda for next year. Police reform is top of the list, even above a better health system. If the health care attempts of previous governments are anything to go by, those two things might be all they get done in the first two years.

Why pack the agenda with other controversial stuff, if you know in advance that you won't have the time or the political capital to do those things? Take them to the mid-term instead!

[Free Federal States]

If their policies don’t work, they’ll dig in their heels and refuse to admit it too... both sides are guilty of it. Nobody’s ego can take the hit if admitting that their policies are anything but perfect and a cure-all

[Cedoria]

Revolution.

That would be terrible, since it will cost more lives than you will expect and there isn't even a reason.

A better solution: Don't change the funding. The police are doing fine, so we should leave them alone. There's the occasional thing where a cop kills somebody, so make sure it doesn't happen again.

More than 'occasional', and 'fine' is not an adequate description of current police conduct unless your definition of 'fine' encompasses deliberate suppression of peaceful demonstrations and violent extrajudicial murder in broad daylight

[Free Federal States]

That would be terrible, since it will cost more lives than you will expect and there isn't even a reason.

A better solution: Don't change the funding. The police are doing fine, so we should leave them alone. There's the occasional thing where a cop kills somebody, so make sure it doesn't happen again.

More than 'occasional', and 'fine' is not an adequate description of current police conduct unless your definition of 'fine' encompasses deliberate suppression of peaceful demonstrations and violent extrajudicial murder in broad daylight

Yea you’re absolutely right. Police conduct is not okay right now, but I don’t think the solution isn’t to remove police or reduce funding. In the Seattle Hill Autonomous Thingymajiger, crime went up by 500% or something like that (according to Wikipedia which is the MOST vetted and fact-checked source in the world). This weekend of violence shows me why police need to hold on to their military rifles, body armor, and the like. Imagine how bad the violent weekend would’ve been if the cops didn’t have that stuff to fight the bad guys with.

Instead, the police need to put money toward de-escalation, non lethal tactics, and community outreach. Sensitivity training should be mandatory. Hold on to the guns though to deal with terrorism. Camouflage uniforms, on the other hand, should be returned to military bases. One problem with the Lafayette square clearing on June 1 was that many cops wore green or camo uniforms, so people thought it was the military. The DC guard was present but stood back and did not participate in the actual clearing. Cops shouldn’t look like the military. Wear SWAT uniforms the same color as patrol uniforms (black, blue, tan or brown for sheriffs). Don’t wear green.

[Purpelia]

I am not talking about the police system. The only salvation for you guys is to tear down and rebuild your entire society from the bottom up. You can start by getting rid of the gun culture, the culture of the self reliant individual etc.

Tearing society down and building it back up again is a European thing.
It's not possible without strong neighbours who invade you from time to time.

What can I say? Competition breeds quality.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Tearing society down and building it back up again is a European thing.
It's not possible without strong neighbours who invade you from time to time.

What can I say? Competition breeds quality.

Not sure how occasionally wiping out a generation of young men breeds quality

But you mean politically or socially. In which case it sort of does. Systems that don't work so well but would remain entrenched indefinitely, can be revised with improvements on the reboot.

That said, if there's any less deadly way of rebooting, I would prefer it.

[Purpelia]

What can I say? Competition breeds quality.

Not sure how occasionally wiping out a generation of young men breeds quality

But you mean politically or socially. In which case it sort of does. Systems that don't work so well but would remain entrenched indefinitely, can be revised with improvements on the reboot.

That said, if there's any less deadly way of rebooting, I would prefer it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Rightonrighton]

While that is categorically false, what part of "take away the police's funds" did you take for anarchy?

Give me an example of a successful anarchic state. Taking away the police's funds would render them inoperative. Every government agency and department need money to work, that's common sense.

Revolutionary Catalonia

[West Leas Oros 2]

PMC's overrun or Martial Law. Defunding cops is stupid, its only a wet dream for stupid AnCaps or AnComs who don't realise anarchism will ruin their lives

Well, defunding cops in the US is generally okay, given how fucked up the US is when it comes to law enforcement. Still, a capable police force in the US that isn't terrible is most desirable. Of course, that's easier said than done.

[Stylan]

>tfw you dont understand what defunding the police means

[Stylan]

PMC's overrun or Martial Law. Defunding cops is stupid, its only a wet dream for stupid AnCaps or AnComs who don't realise anarchism will ruin their lives

Not related, but your views are the most fucking obnoxious, Internet-era contradictory beliefs ever.


Anyway, yeah anarchism sucks.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

>tfw you dont understand what defunding the police means

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

[Stylan]

>tfw you dont understand what defunding the police means

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

Well defunding doesn't mean taking away all funds.

[Awesomeland012345]

I've been seeing these adds on YouTube saying like, "YOU DEFUND POLICE, NO POLICE WE ALL DIE AHHH" with a video of people smashing windows.

DEFUNDING THE POLICE DOES NOT MEAN GETTING RID OF IT.

But apparently the makers of the ad who spent their life savings on it didn't know that.

[Mirjt]

>tfw you dont understand what defunding the police means

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

I do mean it literally. Defunding does not mean the immediate removal of all their funding, but instead to reallocation of their funding to things that actually work to prevent harm or to diversion programs and so on, but eventually I would like to see the police (and prison) abolished altogether. It is not just a Black Lives Matter issue (though we do rightly focus on the racial dimension as racial minorities are more brutalized than any other group), the police are a scourge to everyone (except for the police and the capitalists who are specifically rich and white - the police are still bad for you if you are a black capitalist or a less wealthy capitalist).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opin ... olice.html

[Nobel Hobos 2]

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

Well defunding doesn't mean taking away all funds.

You're just assuming that no-one hears it that way. It actually CAN mean removing all funds.

[The Alma Mater]

>tfw you dont understand what defunding the police means

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

Considering it has been explained so often that even people outside the USA know what it means, I am not certain that the problem lies on the blm side.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

Considering it has been explained so often that even people outside the USA know what it means, I am not certain that the problem lies on the blm side.

And there you go again. Stylan failed to explain. Mirjt explained, but it led into how they would remove literally all funding!

And then you failed. I'm not convinced by any explanation I've heard, "defund the police" still seems stupid, and you get another chance to sell it to me ...

[The Alma Mater]

Considering it has been explained so often that even people outside the USA know what it means, I am not certain that the problem lies on the blm side.

And there you go again. Stylan failed to explain. Mirjt explained, but it led into how they would remove literally all funding!

And then you failed. I'm not convinced by any explanation I've heard, "defund the police" still seems stupid, and you get another chance to sell it to me ...

Perhaps it helps if a white man explains it. John Oliver did a decent job.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And there you go again. Stylan failed to explain. Mirjt explained, but it led into how they would remove literally all funding!

And then you failed. I'm not convinced by any explanation I've heard, "defund the police" still seems stupid, and you get another chance to sell it to me ...

Perhaps it helps if a white man explains it. John Oliver did a decent job.

If you're not even going to try, not even one word, then I'll find someone else who will.

Maybe stop being "for" something you're embarrassed to put into your own words?

[The Alma Mater]

Perhaps it helps if a white man explains it. John Oliver did a decent job.

If you're not even going to try, not even one word, then I'll find someone else who will.

Maybe stop being "for" something you're embarrassed to put into your own words?

I have already explained it in my own words multiple times in the main threads. Since that apparently did not clarify it for you, I aided by directing you to a video where a nice British white man takes 15 minutes to explain it, in the hopes that that is more clear.

[Red Intria]

That's the beauty about 'defund the police' - it means whatever the speaker wants it to mean.

Complete abolition? Reallocation of funds (hilarious notion in a country with a fiat currency whose money printers act more like cancer cells)? Have health care workers perform wellness checks along with/instead of police (probably a good idea tbh)? Sure, any or all.

And if one states they oppose 'defunding the police' because they oppose complete abolition, that can be twisted into saying that they oppose one of the other many definitions! And the struggle session/cancelling commences. Mao would be proud.

[The Emerald Legion]

BLM supporters could REALLY do a better job explaining it.

Every chance they get to do so, instead they say "it's not literally removing all their funding you idiot" ...

Like we're idiots for thinking the slogan is meant literally.
No, apparently it's a secret policy that outsiders aren't supposed to know.

Considering it has been explained so often that even people outside the USA know what it means, I am not certain that the problem lies on the blm side.

Except the issue is you also get BLM people who say no, it actually means all of it.

It's a decentralized hate mob, not an organized political movement.