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Postby Qabea » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:41 pm

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Qabea wrote:He was part of the SRA, not Antifa. Totally different groups.

SRA means "Socialist Rifle Association"

What's the opposite of the SRA?

At the end of the day, saying the SRA is Antifa is a false equivalence.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:42 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:While I won't go as far as OP and call this "fascist" (it isn't), it's still shitty, hypocritical, and ultimately will make Reddit into a total wreck (assuming it wasn't already). This isn't Nazi level stuff, but it is deliberately saying "Hate speech is wrong, except when directed at people we deem acceptable to spread hate speech toward, which happens to include entire identities of people who didn't do anything to warrant this.", which is a dangerous path to go on. I say this decision is a pile of bull the size of the Alps.

They could've simply gone with, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it", and most people would've applauded them or at least remain neutral to it.

Instead, they went for the longer statement of, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it, except when it's against the majority", and now they are pissing off a ton of people and emboldening bigots.

Just...what even.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:43 pm

Mexican Liberation wrote:These weren't really your run-of-the-mill right wing discussion boards.

r/WhiteBeauty was meant as a counter to r/BlackBeauty of posting pictures of beautiful women in general. It was banned for anti-race mixing rhetoric and disallowing pictures of Jewish women.

Why didn't they post on r/JewishBeauty or something?
(not racist, just making sense of the situation as best as I can.)
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:44 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:While I won't go as far as OP and call this "fascist" (it isn't), it's still shitty, hypocritical, and ultimately will make Reddit into a total wreck (assuming it wasn't already). This isn't Nazi level stuff, but it is deliberately saying "Hate speech is wrong, except when directed at people we deem acceptable to spread hate speech toward, which happens to include entire identities of people who didn't do anything to warrant this.", which is a dangerous path to go on. I say this decision is a pile of bull the size of the Alps.

reddit was more of a dumpster fire before this happened
don't get me wrong, it's still a dumpster fire, but it's a slightly smaller dumpster fire
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:45 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:While I won't go as far as OP and call this "fascist" (it isn't), it's still shitty, hypocritical, and ultimately will make Reddit into a total wreck (assuming it wasn't already). This isn't Nazi level stuff, but it is deliberately saying "Hate speech is wrong, except when directed at people we deem acceptable to spread hate speech toward, which happens to include entire identities of people who didn't do anything to warrant this.", which is a dangerous path to go on. I say this decision is a pile of bull the size of the Alps.

They could've simply gone with, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it", and most people would've applauded them.

Instead, they went for the longer statement of, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it, except when it's against the majority", and now they are pissing off a ton of people and emboldening bigots.

Just...what even.

Shitty identitarian doctrine. That's what even. Reddit decided it wanted to join the train of hateful revenge. This is another reason I want revolution.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:46 pm

Mexican Liberation wrote:This isn't persecution, this is the banning of subreddits that actually promote conspiracy fear-mongering and doxxing like r/physicalremoval back in the day that openly talked about exterminating leftists.

Why haven't they banned r/conspiracy at this point?

Also, Doxxing can be stopped with simple post editing or removal. One bad banana doesn't always spoil the bunch.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:While I won't go as far as OP and call this "fascist" (it isn't), it's still shitty, hypocritical, and ultimately will make Reddit into a total wreck (assuming it wasn't already). This isn't Nazi level stuff, but it is deliberately saying "Hate speech is wrong, except when directed at people we deem acceptable to spread hate speech toward, which happens to include entire identities of people who didn't do anything to warrant this.", which is a dangerous path to go on. I say this decision is a pile of bull the size of the Alps.

reddit was more of a dumpster fire before this happened
don't get me wrong, it's still a dumpster fire, but it's a slightly smaller dumpster fire

Hahahahahahaha! Wait, you're serious? It was MORE of a dumpster fire Before they decided to become vengeful fools hating people simply for being born as "THE EVIL OPPRESSOR IDENTITY!!!"?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:47 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:While I won't go as far as OP and call this "fascist" (it isn't), it's still shitty, hypocritical, and ultimately will make Reddit into a total wreck (assuming it wasn't already). This isn't Nazi level stuff, but it is deliberately saying "Hate speech is wrong, except when directed at people we deem acceptable to spread hate speech toward, which happens to include entire identities of people who didn't do anything to warrant this.", which is a dangerous path to go on. I say this decision is a pile of bull the size of the Alps.

They could've simply gone with, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it", and most people would've applauded them or at least remain neutral to it.

Instead, they went for the longer statement of, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it, except when it's against the majority", and now they are pissing off a ton of people and emboldening bigots.

Just...what even.

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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:They could've simply gone with, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it", and most people would've applauded them.

Instead, they went for the longer statement of, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it, except when it's against the majority", and now they are pissing off a ton of people and emboldening bigots.

Just...what even.

Shitty identitarian doctrine. That's what even. Reddit decided it wanted to join the train of hateful revenge. This is another reason I want revolution.

I'm slowly turning more and more into a Posadist every day.

Nuke the World, and set up a free society without censorship from the ashes.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:While I won't go as far as OP and call this "fascist" (it isn't), it's still shitty, hypocritical, and ultimately will make Reddit into a total wreck (assuming it wasn't already). This isn't Nazi level stuff, but it is deliberately saying "Hate speech is wrong, except when directed at people we deem acceptable to spread hate speech toward, which happens to include entire identities of people who didn't do anything to warrant this.", which is a dangerous path to go on. I say this decision is a pile of bull the size of the Alps.

They could've simply gone with, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it", and most people would've applauded them.

Instead, they went for the longer statement of, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it, except when it's against the majority", and now they are pissing off a ton of people and emboldening bigots.

Just...what even.


They could've crossed out a few words from the rule, and then there's zero worry about whether or not majority groups will be exempted by Reddit's rules. But no, "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority" was a necessary bit somehow.

Points for banning some hate speech, but banning all was too much for them I guess.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:reddit was more of a dumpster fire before this happened
don't get me wrong, it's still a dumpster fire, but it's a slightly smaller dumpster fire

Hahahahahahaha! Wait, you're serious? It was MORE of a dumpster fire Before they decided to become vengeful fools hating people simply for being born as "THE EVIL OPPRESSOR IDENTITY!!!"?

I'm starting to believe that Posadas was right.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:52 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:reddit was more of a dumpster fire before this happened
don't get me wrong, it's still a dumpster fire, but it's a slightly smaller dumpster fire

Hahahahahahaha! Wait, you're serious? It was MORE of a dumpster fire Before they decided to become vengeful fools hating people simply for being born as "THE EVIL OPPRESSOR IDENTITY!!!"?

what the fuck are u even talking about
can u stop trying (unsuccessfully) to be funny and make a calm, reasonable argument for once
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm

Tornado Queendom wrote:
Mexican Liberation wrote:This isn't persecution, this is the banning of subreddits that actually promote conspiracy fear-mongering and doxxing like r/physicalremoval back in the day that openly talked about exterminating leftists.

Why haven't they banned r/conspiracy at this point?

Also, Doxxing can be stopped with simple post editing or removal. One bad banana doesn't always spoil the bunch.


Probably for the same reason r/the_donald wasn't banned until just now, too high profile. Reddit admins have a history of not reacting to rule-breaking in big subs until it's covered by the media. They're not going to ban r/conservative until some nut ends up doing something drastic there.

I'm also peeved they haven't banned state-sponsored stuff like r/sino, or subs that are actively spreading misinformation like r/conspiracy
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:They could've simply gone with, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it", and most people would've applauded them.

Instead, they went for the longer statement of, "hate speech is wrong and we are taking a firmer stand against it, except when it's against the majority", and now they are pissing off a ton of people and emboldening bigots.

Just...what even.


They could've crossed out a few words from the rule, and then there's zero worry about whether or not majority groups will be exempted by Reddit's rules. But no, "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority" was a necessary bit somehow.

Points for banning some hate speech, but banning all was too much for them I guess.

I just don't understand how they could've thought that blatantly endorsing it against a certain group was a good idea.

That's practically just an intentionally manufactured controversy.
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The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

Add 3000 years for the date I use.

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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:55 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Hahahahahahaha! Wait, you're serious? It was MORE of a dumpster fire Before they decided to become vengeful fools hating people simply for being born as "THE EVIL OPPRESSOR IDENTITY!!!"?

what the fuck are u even talking about
can u stop trying (unsuccessfully) to be funny and make a calm, reasonable argument for once

I think Posadism is the answer at this point, we won't stop this endless shitshow until we nuke the planet.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm

I also notice that r/The_Donald was banned.

Well, that's going to lead to a wave of immigrants to sites like the Chans or Voat.
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The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

Add 3000 years for the date I use.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm

Tornado Queendom wrote:I think I'm turning to "AnCap Posadism"

As in we should nuke the planet, and then set up an Anarcho-Capitalist "state".

It's the only road to freedom left at this point.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'm slowly turning more and more into a Posadist every day.

Nuke the World, and set up a free society without censorship from the ashes.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'm starting to believe that Posadas was right.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I think Posadism is the answer at this point, we won't stop this endless shitshow until we nuke the planet.

Alright, thread topic isn't Posadism, you yourself made it clear it's about Reddit's rule change. Let's stay on topic please.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:59 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:I think I'm turning to "AnCap Posadism"

As in we should nuke the planet, and then set up an Anarcho-Capitalist "state".

It's the only road to freedom left at this point.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'm slowly turning more and more into a Posadist every day.

Nuke the World, and set up a free society without censorship from the ashes.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'm starting to believe that Posadas was right.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I think Posadism is the answer at this point, we won't stop this endless shitshow until we nuke the planet.

Alright, thread topic isn't Posadism, you yourself made it clear it's about Reddit's rule change. Let's stay on topic please.

I'll stay on topic
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Postby The Cazistan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:00 pm

okay but r*ddit's mere existence is a problem tbh

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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:01 pm

The Cazistan wrote:okay but r*ddit's mere existence is a problem tbh

Reddit changing its rules and writing said rules badly just makes it worse
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:04 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:I also notice that r/The_Donald was banned.

Well, that's going to lead to a wave of immigrants to sites like the Chans or Voat.


r/the_donald was already dead because the admins gave them a really strict rule set some months ago, so they all went "fuck this" and created their own pro-Trump discussion site. Some commenter pointed out that it was like if Hitler had already shot himself and someone finds his corpse years later and shoots it and parades around like they stopped him. At the very least it's gone now, the Reddit community had been begging the admins FOR YEARS to get rid of it because of how toxic it was.

Honestly a lot of these subs might have already been dead or had very few members but were still banned for the good PR of taking down a thriving hate community.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:08 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
They could've crossed out a few words from the rule, and then there's zero worry about whether or not majority groups will be exempted by Reddit's rules. But no, "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority" was a necessary bit somehow.

Points for banning some hate speech, but banning all was too much for them I guess.

I just don't understand how they could've thought that blatantly endorsing it against a certain group was a good idea.

That's practically just an intentionally manufactured controversy.


My best guess is that either a rule writer believed something along the lines of "discrimination against the majority is okay", or they wrote that rule to appeal to those types. Though it's still worded strangely if it was attempting that.

Like,
Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.


and

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.


Lead to some strange conclusions. For example, depending on how "majority" is taken, white people could be protected from people posting from non-white majority countries, since they're not the majority there. Likewise for discriminating against non-whites in a majority non-white country, since they'd be the majority in that case. Same thing applies for various religions, too.

And "pregnancy" means I can't discriminate against the minority of people who are pregnant at any one time, but I can discriminate against non-pregnant people. They're really unclear about what majorities can be discriminated against.

All this and more because protecting people in the majority is such an intolerable idea or something.
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:09 pm

We live in a society

The rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority


It also means it doesn't protect the Chinese against discrimination (since they're the most populous country).

And males as well? Galloism, take note.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:13 pm

Still trying to figure out what "reverse Nazi Germany" means. The Weimar Republic? I don't get it.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:14 pm

The Cazistan wrote:okay but r*ddit's mere existence is a problem tbh

this is an excellent post
Dawn Denac wrote:Still trying to figure out what "reverse Nazi Germany" means. The Weimar Republic? I don't get it.

reverse nazi germany = ynamreg izan

obviously
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