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Bear Stearns wrote:

Qvait wrote:I'd also say it's odd for the same people who praised the NFL for banning kneeling to be up in arms about social media companies regulating what's allowed on their websites.

Please provide evidence I have ever endorsed or given a shit about a position taken by the NFL.

Ironic that you didn't see what I did there.

Dawn Denac wrote:

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Okay hold up just a minute


Doesn't that seem just a bit overly dramatic to you? It's a website, not a country that wanted to take over the world and commit systematic genocide.

Ten bucks for anytime someone says "LITERALLY HITLER" in response to something on the Internet?

About $22 400 000

Bear Stearns wrote:It is increasingly odd to see nominally left-wing people suddenly become very laissez-faire on this issue.

It is even more amusing to see rightwingers suddenly spout leftist rhetoric about how companies cannot be trusted and now they are on the receiving end are suddenly all "we should not be partisan on this issue" after being partisan on it for decades.

But true, gloating and saying "I told you so" is not productive. Let us finally unite against the evil.

I would guess this is being driven by advertisers, rather than tech companies. Probably the same fear of offending customers in the 1950s that led to black people being invisible in the media, is now causing them to not want extremists offending people where they advertise. It's capitalism, not reverse nazism or nazism.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I would guess this is being driven by advertisers, rather than tech companies. Probably the same fear of offending customers in the 1950s that led to black people being invisible in the media, is now causing them to not want extremists offending people where they advertise. It's capitalism, not reverse nazism or nazism.

this is probably the most realistic reasoning to this situation. With the black lives movement and Reddit's history for hosting hate speech they probably are getting threatened with advertisers pulling out of the platform and needed to make radical changes or go under.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I would guess this is being driven by advertisers, rather than tech companies. Probably the same fear of offending customers in the 1950s that led to black people being invisible in the media, is now causing them to not want extremists offending people where they advertise. It's capitalism, not reverse nazism or nazism.

Yes but that logic makes it hard to moan about those evil feminists and SJWs ruining everything.

Reddit better not ban r/arabfunny. They are the god of shit posting.

I'm not sure how reddit could be considered one-sided if they banned both a hard right-wing sub and a hard left-wing sub.

Dangine wrote:Reddit better not ban r/arabfunny. They are the god of shit posting.

Indeed my brother. If they attack arabfunny I shall declare fatwa on them for their haram actions.

So basically a rant calling Reddit Nazis for banning groups that have a hard right or alt-right base which might include actual neoNazis.

Vassenor wrote:

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I would guess this is being driven by advertisers, rather than tech companies. Probably the same fear of offending customers in the 1950s that led to black people being invisible in the media, is now causing them to not want extremists offending people where they advertise. It's capitalism, not reverse nazism or nazism.

Yes but that logic makes it hard to moan about those evil feminists and SJWs ruining everything.

If Businesses capitulated to the Klan, that would still be the Klans fault, even if the business did it to protect their bottom line.

Qvait wrote:If you don't wanna get banned from using the website of a private company, maybe don't violate their terms of use. Just food for thought.

Sites like stormfront are often prevented from being accessed by ISPs in many countries. If reddit becomes a site that openly tolerates hatred against particular groups instead of being a broad platform, why shouldn't it be blocked by service providers?

Tornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany (which is just as bad as the real Nazi Germany). Not to mention, r/BigChungus also got banned. That ALONE is not a good idea in my opinion

Here's some handy steps to help you cope with this affront to your existence.

Step One: Go to Home Depot.

Step Two: Purchase a large amount of timber, nails, screws, and power tools.

Step Three: Find a suitably sized flowing watercourse.

Step Four: Build a means of crossing said watercourse.

Step Five: Cross it.

There you go. All sorted.

Here's the thing that gets me: right wingers complaining about a private business engaging in an unregulated business environment and as such freely choosing what it wants to present and who it accepts as "customers". Let me make it clear for those that cannot understand: your "freedom of speech" doesn't matter. It's a private company. It doesn't have to abide by any laws protecting freedom of speech. It can set what limits it wants. It can chose what people can say and cannot say. It can chose what content it hosts. It's a free market. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Reddit doesn't cater to minorities, it caters to the mass market, and thus has mass market appeal. If it decides that a bunch of racist, xenophobic "people" with the collective intellectual capacity of a sack of rotten potatoes isn't the market they want to cater to then they do not have to cater to it. It doesn't affect its broader appeal or broader visitor numbers. And if people want to act petulantly about it, they are free to do so. It only proves that they are the snowflakes and not the pro-businesses "MUH FREEEDUM" types they claim to be.

ffs, these people who whine to tech companies about any content they don't like really need to grow up. If you don't have a thick enough skin for the internet, don't use it, it's really that simple.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:ffs, these people who whine to tech companies about any content they don't like really need to grow up. If you don't have a thick enough skin for the internet, don't use it, it's really that simple.

The Internet isn't for children at the end of the day. If you can't handle supposedly 'hateful' opinions (re: opinions you happen to disagree with), grow a backbone and just don't look at that subreddit, instead of behaving like a whiny authoritarian and pressuring Reddit to shut down and de-platform any community of persons whose views you just don't like and can't handle.

Everyday, the approved Overton window of 'acceptable' opinions shrinks smaller and smaller in width. So many people who express perfectly reasonable opinions about certain policies pushed for by a so-called 'marginalised and vulnerable group' (to borrow Reddit's language in its 'Remember the Human' bullshit rule) are in danger of being censored and thrown off online platforms altogether. Its insane. Where's the space for a thriving and vibrant online marketplace of ideas anymore? Its gone.

Vassenor wrote:

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I would guess this is being driven by advertisers, rather than tech companies. Probably the same fear of offending customers in the 1950s that led to black people being invisible in the media, is now causing them to not want extremists offending people where they advertise. It's capitalism, not reverse nazism or nazism.

Yes but that logic makes it hard to moan about those evil feminists and SJWs ruining everything.

Yes, because it is still ultimately their fault. They are the ones who've been pressuring and attacking and criticising Reddit for years on end for not taking this move, until Reddit's CEO caved into their pressure. It is their fault. Its Reddit's fault too, but the people who kept pressuring Reddit in this direction need to eat their share of the blame as well.

Purgatio wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:ffs, these people who whine to tech companies about any content they don't like really need to grow up. If you don't have a thick enough skin for the internet, don't use it, it's really that simple.

The Internet isn't for children at the end of the day. If you can't handle supposedly 'hateful' opinions (re: opinions you happen to disagree with), grow a backbone and just don't look at that subreddit, instead of behaving like a whiny authoritarian and pressuring Reddit to shut down and de-platform any community of persons whose views you just don't like and can't handle.

Everyday, the approved Overton window of 'acceptable' opinions shrinks smaller and smaller in width. So many people who express perfectly reasonable opinions about certain policies pushed for by a so-called 'marginalised and vulnerable group' (to borrow Reddit's language in its 'Remember the Human' bullshit rule) are in danger of being censored and thrown off online platforms altogether. Its insane. Where's the space for a thriving and vibrant online marketplace of ideas anymore? Its gone.

Reddit is honestly the worst example. There are lots of subreddits I'm not interested in; whole communities to chat about lady Gaga, Minecraft and Arsenal football club.

I don't look at them.
Because they don't interest me.
The only reason you'd look at these subredits if they don't interest you is because you want to be 'offended' or 'outraged.' Anybody looking at them who disagrees with the content of the subreddits, the clearly advertised content no less, has no good faith reason for looking at them in the first place.

Purgatio wrote:Where's the space for a thriving and vibrant online marketplace of ideas anymore?

>implying it ever existed

Hilarious.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
The Internet isn't for children at the end of the day. If you can't handle supposedly 'hateful' opinions (re: opinions you happen to disagree with), grow a backbone and just don't look at that subreddit, instead of behaving like a whiny authoritarian and pressuring Reddit to shut down and de-platform any community of persons whose views you just don't like and can't handle.

Everyday, the approved Overton window of 'acceptable' opinions shrinks smaller and smaller in width. So many people who express perfectly reasonable opinions about certain policies pushed for by a so-called 'marginalised and vulnerable group' (to borrow Reddit's language in its 'Remember the Human' bullshit rule) are in danger of being censored and thrown off online platforms altogether. Its insane. Where's the space for a thriving and vibrant online marketplace of ideas anymore? Its gone.

Reddit is honestly the worst example. There are lots of subreddits I'm not interested in; whole communities to chat about lady Gaga, Minecraft and Arsenal football club.

I don't look at them.
Because they don't interest me.
The only reason you'd look at these subredits if they don't interest you is because you want to be 'offended' or 'outraged.' Anybody looking at them who disagrees with the content of the subreddits, the clearly advertised content no less, has no good faith reason for looking at them in the first place.

That's literally the whole point of the subreddit system. Having communities of people with similar tastes, preferences, and interests, so you can meet people like you, discuss issues that you all are interested in, listen to what people in that space and that community have to say and think. Your Reddit experience is perfectly customisable, so if you don't want to see content that upsets you literally just don't go there instead of pettily trying to have an entire community, platform, and space shut down because your fragile feelings can't take it.

RIP r/GenderCritical. You really deserved better

Costa Fierro wrote:

Purgatio wrote:Where's the space for a thriving and vibrant online marketplace of ideas anymore?

>implying it ever existed

Hilarious.

Reddit used to be that place that allowed bomb-making videos and jailbait communities. Like...a website that actually agreed with free speech. I don't know when the people in charge of it began to cave to the whiners but it's sad that they did.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Purgatio wrote:Where's the space for a thriving and vibrant online marketplace of ideas anymore?

>implying it ever existed

Hilarious.

We should at least be moving in the direction and trajectory of making that a thing, rather than regressing even further into the Regressive Left's endless desire for more and more draconian online censorship of views.

Purgatio wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Reddit is honestly the worst example. There are lots of subreddits I'm not interested in; whole communities to chat about lady Gaga, Minecraft and Arsenal football club.

I don't look at them.
Because they don't interest me.
The only reason you'd look at these subredits if they don't interest you is because you want to be 'offended' or 'outraged.' Anybody looking at them who disagrees with the content of the subreddits, the clearly advertised content no less, has no good faith reason for looking at them in the first place.

That's literally the whole point of the subreddit system. Having communities of people with similar tastes, preferences, and interests, so you can meet people like you, discuss issues that you all are interested in, listen to what people in that space and that community have to say and think. Your Reddit experience is perfectly customisable, so if you don't want to see content that upsets you literally just don't go there instead of pettily trying to have an entire community, platform, and space shut down because your fragile feelings can't take it.

RIP r/GenderCritical. You really deserved better

Sorry can't engage, a Manchester city fan decided to call Manchester city the 'only Manchester team' and now I need to report it to reddit for offending me deeply as a Manchester united fan. Can you help with convincing arguments? I'm not sure if I should feel 'deeply traumatised' or 'marginalised and minimised' as a Manchester united fan whose team has been declared not to be in Manchester by this random guy on the internet. What would you suggest?

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
That's literally the whole point of the subreddit system. Having communities of people with similar tastes, preferences, and interests, so you can meet people like you, discuss issues that you all are interested in, listen to what people in that space and that community have to say and think. Your Reddit experience is perfectly customisable, so if you don't want to see content that upsets you literally just don't go there instead of pettily trying to have an entire community, platform, and space shut down because your fragile feelings can't take it.

RIP r/GenderCritical. You really deserved better

Sorry can't engage, a Manchester city fan decided to call Manchester city the 'only Manchester team' and now I need to report it to reddit for offending me deeply as a Manchester united fan. Can you help with convincing arguments? I'm not sure if I should feel 'deeply traumatised' or 'marginalised and minimised' as a Manchester united fan whose team has been declared not to be in Manchester by this random guy on the internet. What would you suggest?

Oh no, how terrible for you GVH. Well, Reddit's new rule and policy calls on all subreddits to 'Remember the Human', sounds like this person is "promoting hate based on identity and vulnerability" against you. So you should probably report and try to get that subreddit banned. After all, the point of the Internet is to be purged of all speech, publications, and communications that could upset or offend you. That's how it works.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
>implying it ever existed

Hilarious.

Reddit used to be that place that allowed bomb-making videos and jailbait communities. Like...a website that actually agreed with free speech. I don't know when the people in charge of it began to cave to the whiners but it's sad that they did.

I'm not sure refusing to host illegal content is "caving to the whiners". Besides, it's a private company, it can do what it wants.

Purgatio wrote:We should at least be moving in the direction and trajectory of making that a thing, rather than regressing even further into the Regressive Left's endless desire for more and more draconian online censorship of views.

Why?

As far as I am concerned those views are detrimental to the cohesion of society and should rightfully be suppressed. It's a shame we have to rely on private business to engage in this, but it's at least a start.

Purgatio wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Sorry can't engage, a Manchester city fan decided to call Manchester city the 'only Manchester team' and now I need to report it to reddit for offending me deeply as a Manchester united fan. Can you help with convincing arguments? I'm not sure if I should feel 'deeply traumatised' or 'marginalised and minimised' as a Manchester united fan whose team has been declared not to be in Manchester by this random guy on the internet. What would you suggest?

Oh no, how terrible for you GVH. Well, Reddit's new rule and policy calls on all subreddits to 'Remember the Human', sounds like this person is "promoting hate based on identity and vulnerability" against you. So you should probably report and try to get that subreddit banned. After all, the point of the Internet is to be purged of all speech, publications, and communications that could upset or offend you. That's how it works.

After all, Manchester united is a less successful team at the moment. This is City privilege at its most extreme.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Reddit used to be that place that allowed bomb-making videos and jailbait communities. Like...a website that actually agreed with free speech. I don't know when the people in charge of it began to cave to the whiners but it's sad that they did.

I'm not sure refusing to host illegal content is "caving to the whiners". Besides, it's a private company, it can do what it wants.

Purgatio wrote:We should at least be moving in the direction and trajectory of making that a thing, rather than regressing even further into the Regressive Left's endless desire for more and more draconian online censorship of views.

Why?

As far as I am concerned those views are detrimental to the cohesion of society and should rightfully be suppressed. It's a shame we have to rely on private business to engage in this, but it's at least a start.

Supporting Donald Trump's candidacy and presidency is not "detrimental to the cohesion of society". Advocating for gender-critical feminism is not "detrimental to the cohesion of society". Being both LGBT and right-wing is not "detrimental to the cohesion of society". These are just opinions some people did not like, and made bad faith and malicious reports to Reddit over and over again until their company caved.

Yes, they are a private business and have the legal right to do that, just as they have a legal right to shut down their business tomorrow ending all of these subreddits in a second. But, whether they have a legal right to do X or Y is distinct from whether I should criticise or celebrate them doing X or Y. I'm criticising their decision to shut down sub-reddits like r/RightWingLGBT and r/GenderCritical which no reasonable person could characterise as 'hateful' in the least bit, even if they express views and host opinions some might disagree with.