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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:55 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:So you may as well get rid of reddit. I'm subscribed to the new York giants subreddit, is that an evil anti-eagles echo chamber, or are the people there just correct?


Sport fandoms are fine and are separate things. Echo chambers turn political decisions into sport fandoms where the object is to get the other team as pissed off as possible, not to solve social and economic problems.

Nukeing reddit is not the answer, nukeing toxic sub reddits where political echo chambers form is.

There's a political echo chamber in r/communism.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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Sport fandoms are fine and are separate things. Echo chambers turn political decisions into sport fandoms where the object is to get the other team as pissed off as possible, not to solve social and economic problems.

Nukeing reddit is not the answer, nukeing toxic sub reddits where political echo chambers form is.

There's a political echo chamber in r/communism.


Also, as mentioned, r/Sigmarxism, where you aren't allowed to criticize left wing politics.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 am

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It's not even surprising at this point that you don't see the issue with conflating that with Stormfront posters actually murdering people and wanting a systematic, worldwide mass extermination campaign against all Jews.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:00 am

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Crockerland wrote:It's not even surprising at this point that you don't see the issue with conflating that with Stormfront posters actually murdering people and wanting a systematic, worldwide mass extermination campaign against all Jews.

"It's okay as long as it's not physical." State of the art I'm Not Touching You.

I too conflate the two. Neither should be banned from online platforms.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 am

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Tbh yes.

But geting rid of these ones is one step in the right direction. Echo chambers are trash.

Unfortunately, banning echo chambers on Reddit will just result in them migrating to sites like Voat or those of their own creation.

For example, r/femaledatingstrategy, which specifically tries to block a certain half of the population from coming in and is undoubtedly a huge echo chamber because of that, has created a new website to move to with a sign-up process designed to more efficiently screen out male users if their subreddit is banned.

It's just creating even more isolated echo chambers.

I used to think in that kind of thinking but now I don't agree with it.

The "they will just go somewhere else to do there thing" point is countered by saying so what? Go do it somewhere else. Then get banned there too.

Everyone will need to do there part to remove any echo chambers from anywhere.

It will take constant observation and moderation to make sure that discourse doesn't turn into just one opinion repeated over and over, getting more extreme each time.

Every single case will be different and require alot of work to decide what is the limit of too far.

It will not be easy and requires a lot of work. But that is what needs to be done to have open and free debates that don't turn into echo chambers.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:There's a political echo chamber in r/communism.


Also, as mentioned, r/Sigmarxism, where you aren't allowed to criticize left wing politics.


Again, sense I don't go on these subs I have no right to judge on this information.

People that do need to take a step back and watch for say a month and see if these subs are indeed echo chambers. Then moderate them properly. If they can't do that then nuke them.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:04 am

So which altright sub banning ticked you off?

Personally, I’m happy to see the end of chapos and TERFs.
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 am

We need to take this a step further and ban the internet entirely. It's caused more problems than it's fixed. But banning subreddits is a good start.
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Postby Ransium » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:19 am

Without knowing too much about most of the subreddits that got banned or what drove them to ban /r/theDonald; honestly, I feel for reddit, fair internet moderation is hard.

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Postby Dawn Denac » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:39 am

Ransium wrote:Without knowing too much about most of the subreddits that got banned or what drove them to ban /r/theDonald; honestly, I feel for reddit, fair internet moderation is hard.


Fair internet moderation is the most mentally straining thing I've ever encountered.

That being said, sites like Reddit have been banning people in a streak recently, or allowing DMCA to take them out. It's not....fair internet moderation as much as it is just corporate whacking.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:43 am

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Ransium wrote:Without knowing too much about most of the subreddits that got banned or what drove them to ban /r/theDonald; honestly, I feel for reddit, fair internet moderation is hard.


Fair internet moderation is the most mentally straining thing I've ever encountered.

That being said, sites like Reddit have been banning people in a streak recently, or allowing DMCA to take them out. It's not....fair internet moderation as much as it is just corporate whacking.

Sometimes there's a limit to what you can do with DMCA though. I'm an old hand at spinning DMCA requests out as long as possible, but there comes a point where you have to accept defeat. What can't be excused though is just taking the copyright trolls word for it.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:51 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany

Wow, I can't believe Reddit sent six million people to death camps while waging war against an entire continent!

Please go outside and get some fresh air, OP. And read a fucking book.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:56 am

Liriena wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany

Wow, I can't believe Reddit sent six million people to death camps while waging war against an entire continent!

Please go outside and get some fresh air, OP. And read a fucking book.


Reverse Nazis. They stopped a world war, and either built a cloning facility or held one heck of an orgy.
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Postby HIreland » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany

Wow, I can't believe Reddit sent six million people to death camps while waging war against an entire continent!

Please go outside and get some fresh air, OP. And read a fucking book.

seventeen million. Read a book yourself.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:02 pm

HIreland wrote:
Liriena wrote:Wow, I can't believe Reddit sent six million people to death camps while waging war against an entire continent!

Please go outside and get some fresh air, OP. And read a fucking book.

seventeen million. Read a book yourself.


Holocaust was approximately six million deaths.
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Postby HIreland » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:02 pm

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HIreland wrote:seventeen million. Read a book yourself.


Holocaust was approximately six million deaths.

Six million jews. Seventeen million total.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany

Wow, I can't believe Reddit sent six million people to death camps while waging war against an entire continent!

Please go outside and get some fresh air, OP. And read a fucking book.


The five million non-Jewish victims in the camps were also people.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:04 pm

HIreland wrote:
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Holocaust was approximately six million deaths.

Six million jews. Seventeen million total.


My bad, you're right.
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Postby Deacarsia » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:04 pm

This is outrageous!
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:05 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Liriena wrote:Wow, I can't believe Reddit sent six million people to death camps while waging war against an entire continent!

Please go outside and get some fresh air, OP. And read a fucking book.


The five million non-Jewish victims were also people.

Absolutely. My brain took a shortcut and went for the more prominent number, but it absolutely wasn't just six milion Jews.
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Postby Qvait » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:07 pm

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Qvait wrote:If you don't wanna get banned from using the website of a private company, maybe don't violate their terms of use. Just food for thought.


Sites like stormfront are often prevented from being accessed by ISPs in many countries. If reddit becomes a site that openly tolerates hatred against particular groups instead of being a broad platform, why shouldn't it be blocked by service providers?


Why are you asking me this question? I believe that ISPs blocking Stormfront is a good thing.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:07 pm

Deacarsia wrote:This is outrageous!

???

It's Reddit, not the federal government. And it's not like they're particularly zealous about enforcing those rules. It took them like four years to ban r/the_Donald, and they only did so after that little shithole had already suffered a long agony and was basically a husk.
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Postby Qvait » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:09 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sport fandoms are fine and are separate things. Echo chambers turn political decisions into sport fandoms where the object is to get the other team as pissed off as possible, not to solve social and economic problems.

Nukeing reddit is not the answer, nukeing toxic sub reddits where political echo chambers form is.

There's a political echo chamber in r/communism.

So, are the people in r/communism espousing hatred or violence against minorities? Just wondering.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:10 pm

Qvait wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:There's a political echo chamber in r/communism.

So, are the people in r/communism espousing hatred or violence against minorities? Just wondering.


Yes.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:10 pm

Liriena wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:This is outrageous!

???

It's Reddit, not the federal government. And it's not like they're particularly zealous about enforcing those rules. It took them like four years to ban r/the_Donald, and they only did so after that little shithole had already suffered a long agony and was basically a husk.


Privatizing the public square means it's okay for corporations to censor people.

Like how if we privatize healthcare, it's fine to deny it to Jews, not racism.

BigThink.


"Racism doesn't exist, because civil rights act" v "censorship doesn't exist, because it's not the government doing it.".
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