Kowani wrote:…Reddit is not turning into a “reverse Nazi Germany.”
For one thing, the only gas chambers are on fetish subreddits.
And the marijuana subreddits.
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by Gormwood » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:17 pm
Kowani wrote:…Reddit is not turning into a “reverse Nazi Germany.”
For one thing, the only gas chambers are on fetish subreddits.
by The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:17 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Dawn Denac wrote:
Yep! Like you said, the tech giants have been doing this for a while and will continue doing it. It's going to be extraordinarily hard to get them to be more transparent, if they even will.
It's just stupid that people can only see this issue within the context of Trump. But Trump isn't going to be president forever. One day, he'll be gone. Is Twitter going to give up its power to push an ideology? Is YouTube going to cut back on censorship? The precedent has already been set that these tech companies basically tell the government to suck their dicks. It's only going to get worse.
by Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:18 pm
by The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:19 pm
Qvait wrote:If you don't wanna get banned from using the website of a private company, maybe don't violate their terms of use. Just food for thought.
by Salus Maior » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:19 pm
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:22 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany (which is just as bad as the real Nazi Germany).
by Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:22 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Okay hold up just a minuteTornado Queendom wrote:It's official, Reddit is turning into a reverse Nazi Germany (which is just as bad as the real Nazi Germany).
Doesn't that seem just a bit overly dramatic to you? It's a website, not a country that wanted to take over the world and commit systematic genocide.
by Qvait » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:22 pm
1. Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
2. Abide by community rules. Post authentic content into communities where you have a personal interest, and do not cheat or engage in content manipulation (including spamming, vote manipulation, ban evasion, or subscriber fraud) or otherwise interfere with or disrupt Reddit communities.
8. Don’t break the site or do anything that interferes with normal use of Reddit.
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:23 pm
Dawn Denac wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
It's just stupid that people can only see this issue within the context of Trump. But Trump isn't going to be president forever. One day, he'll be gone. Is Twitter going to give up its power to push an ideology? Is YouTube going to cut back on censorship? The precedent has already been set that these tech companies basically tell the government to suck their dicks. It's only going to get worse.
Money makes problems disappear. As long as people keep using these sites, they'll keep having money to throw at their issues. Good luck with lawsuits too, cause they'll likely drown you in litigation and legal fees.
by Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:24 pm
Dawn Denac wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:Okay hold up just a minute
Doesn't that seem just a bit overly dramatic to you? It's a website, not a country that wanted to take over the world and commit systematic genocide.
Ten bucks for anytime someone says "LITERALLY HITLER" in response to something on the Internet?
by Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:25 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Dawn Denac wrote:
Money makes problems disappear. As long as people keep using these sites, they'll keep having money to throw at their issues. Good luck with lawsuits too, cause they'll likely drown you in litigation and legal fees.
The situation with YouTube is particularly alarming. YouTube is a near monopoly in its space (bitchute and dailymotion will never be real threats), with deep institutional power, the ability to leverage Google's search engines, and deep relationships with traditional media companies that are using YouTube to forestall their coming obsolescence. And it's structurally set up to be this way. There can really over be one YouTube-like platform at any given time. If two exist at the same time, one will eventually win out. The reason is because content creators will gravitate towards the most accessible and concentrated platform, and viewers will gravitate towards the platforms with the most content. So it becomes a feedback loop. YouTube is dominant because that's where the content creators are, and content creators go to YouTube because YouTube is dominant. This is why it is practically impossible to develop a real alternative to YouTube. The only way these sorts of natural monopolies are disrupted is either through government regulation or the development of new technologies that make the prior models obsolete.
And given YouTube's accessibility by billions of viewers and content creators, it's essentially the closest thing there is a public platform for all, and is often the primary source of video information for millions across the world. Because of the centrality of YouTube to the flow of information in our daily lives, saying "lol it's just a private company they can do whatever the fuck they want" seems really dumb. In other sectors, when these monopolies arise, the government usually allows the monopoly but regulates them to prevent abuse. Such is the case with water, power, and telecom utilities.
If we're comfortable regulating utility and telecom monopolies, then it's probably time to seriously look into treating YouTube the same way.
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:25 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
It's just stupid that people can only see this issue within the context of Trump. But Trump isn't going to be president forever. One day, he'll be gone. Is Twitter going to give up its power to push an ideology? Is YouTube going to cut back on censorship? The precedent has already been set that these tech companies basically tell the government to suck their dicks. It's only going to get worse.
Just wondering: if they would be pushing an ideology you agree with, would you also oppose them in this manner ?
by The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:26 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Just wondering: if they would be pushing an ideology you agree with, would you also oppose them in this manner ?
Yes because it is morally wrong and why sort of retard would leave up the future of public discourse to corporations, regardless if they agreed with you?
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:26 pm
Dawn Denac wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
The situation with YouTube is particularly alarming. YouTube is a near monopoly in its space (bitchute and dailymotion will never be real threats), with deep institutional power, the ability to leverage Google's search engines, and deep relationships with traditional media companies that are using YouTube to forestall their coming obsolescence. And it's structurally set up to be this way. There can really over be one YouTube-like platform at any given time. If two exist at the same time, one will eventually win out. The reason is because content creators will gravitate towards the most accessible and concentrated platform, and viewers will gravitate towards the platforms with the most content. So it becomes a feedback loop. YouTube is dominant because that's where the content creators are, and content creators go to YouTube because YouTube is dominant. This is why it is practically impossible to develop a real alternative to YouTube. The only way these sorts of natural monopolies are disrupted is either through government regulation or the development of new technologies that make the prior models obsolete.
And given YouTube's accessibility by billions of viewers and content creators, it's essentially the closest thing there is a public platform for all, and is often the primary source of video information for millions across the world. Because of the centrality of YouTube to the flow of information in our daily lives, saying "lol it's just a private company they can do whatever the fuck they want" seems really dumb. In other sectors, when these monopolies arise, the government usually allows the monopoly but regulates them to prevent abuse. Such is the case with water, power, and telecom utilities.
If we're comfortable regulating utility and telecom monopolies, then it's probably time to seriously look into treating YouTube the same way.
This makes me wonder if someone like Roosevelt would've trustbusted YouTube or Google before they got too big.
by Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:27 pm
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:29 pm
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:30 pm
Qvait wrote:Reddit said they banned r/The_Donald for violating rules 1, 2, and 8. Let's go over those rules:1. Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
2. Abide by community rules. Post authentic content into communities where you have a personal interest, and do not cheat or engage in content manipulation (including spamming, vote manipulation, ban evasion, or subscriber fraud) or otherwise interfere with or disrupt Reddit communities.
8. Don’t break the site or do anything that interferes with normal use of Reddit.
Source: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:34 pm
Qvait wrote:Reddit said they banned r/The_Donald for violating rules 1, 2, and 8. Let's go over those rules:1. Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
2. Abide by community rules. Post authentic content into communities where you have a personal interest, and do not cheat or engage in content manipulation (including spamming, vote manipulation, ban evasion, or subscriber fraud) or otherwise interfere with or disrupt Reddit communities.
8. Don’t break the site or do anything that interferes with normal use of Reddit.
Source: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy
by The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:Republicans ?
*sigh*
Both Republicans and Democrats are doing this, and are bought and paid for by these companies. Viewing this as a partisan issue will prevent it from getting solved because people will support increasing the power of corporations as long as they agree with them. The goal isn't to make corporations agree with you, the goal is prevent a monopolistic service from being abuse.
by Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm
by Mandicoria » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:39 pm
by Qvait » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:48 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:It is increasingly odd to see nominally left-wing people suddenly become very laissez-faire on this issue.
by Nevertopia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:51 pm
Mandicoria wrote:are you seriously upset that r/bigchungus got taken away
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:04 pm
Qvait wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:It is increasingly odd to see nominally left-wing people suddenly become very laissez-faire on this issue.
I'd also say it's odd for the same people who praised the NFL for banning kneeling to be up in arms about social media companies regulating what's allowed on their websites.
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