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Who had nuclear fallout for june?

Postby Aclion » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:33 pm

https://www.financialexpress.com/lifest ... n/2006710/

National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands said Friday it analysed the Nordic data and “these calculations show that the radionuclides (radioactive isotopes) come from the direction of Western Russia”.

Nordic authorities say they detected slightly increased levels of radioactivity in northern Europe this month that Dutch officials said may be from a source in western Russia and may “indicate damage to a fuel element in a nuclear power plant.”

But Russian news agency TASS, citing a spokesman with the state nuclear power operator Rosenergoatom reported that the two nuclear power plants in north-western Russia haven’t reported any problems.

The Leningrad plant near St Petersburg and the Kola plant near the northern city of Murmansk, “operate normally, with radiation levels being within the norm,” Tass said.

The Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish radiation and nuclear safety watchdogs said this week they’ve spotted small amounts of radioactive isotopes harmless to humans and the environment in parts of Finland, southern Scandinavia and the Arctic.

The Swedish Radiation Safety Authority said Tuesday that “it is not possible now to confirm what could be the source of the increased levels” of radioactivity or from where a cloud, or clouds, containing radioactive isotopes that has allegedly been blowing over the skies of northern Europe originated. Its Finnish and Norwegian counterparts also haven’t speculated about a potential source.

But the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands said Friday it analysed the Nordic data and “these calculations show that the radionuclides (radioactive isotopes) come from the direction of Western Russia”.

“The radionuclides are artificial, that is to say they are man-made. The composition of the nuclides may indicate damage to a fuel element in a nuclear power plant,” the Dutch agency said, adding that “a specific source location cannot be identified due to the limited number of measurements.”

Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization tweeted on Friday that the organization’s radiation-monitoring sensors in Sweden detected a slight increase of several harmless isotopes in north-western European airspace.

The unnamed Rosatomenergo spokesman told TASS on Saturday that radiation levels at the Leningrad and Kola power stations and their surrounding areas “have remained unchanged in June, and no changes are also observed at present”.

“Both stations are working in normal regime. There have been no complaints about the equipment’s work,” Tass quoted him as saying. “No incidents related to release of radionuclide outside containment structures have been reported.”


Ovs very concerning, esp with Russia's history of not being forthright about nuclear accidents. What do you guys think is going on? Personally I think Russia shat the bed again and doesn't want to fess up.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:35 pm

Not again!

On a serious note, I don't know. Considering they said something, it's probably a small leak, but I hope it isn't even a thing.
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:38 pm

Could it have been a weapons test? Some kind of experiment?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:42 pm

Rusozak wrote:Could it have been a weapons test? Some kind of experiment?

Probably not. There would be a seismic shift to.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:43 pm

Yes can we have nuclear fallout now, if you know what I mean.

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Postby Heloin » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:46 pm

3.6 not great, not terrible.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:22 pm

Heloin wrote:3.6 not great, not terrible.

I'm told it's the equivalent of a chest x-ray.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:33 pm

Hey did you know that the Soviet Union used to test nuclear devices in an archipelago in the Arctic that happens to be relatively close to Northeastern Europe and this is happening in a time of decreasing cooperation between the powers with regards to arms and nukes and stuff?

Anyway just a fun fact, I'm sure this is unrelated.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:35 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Rusozak wrote:Could it have been a weapons test? Some kind of experiment?

Probably not. There would be a seismic shift to.


I don't think most nuclear devices are capable of producing the kind of seismic activity to be detected outside a few miles of the event.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:36 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Probably not. There would be a seismic shift to.


I don't think most nuclear devices are capable of producing the kind of seismic activity to be detected outside a few miles of the event.

Well, it wouldn't cause an earthquake, but I'm sure a seismograph would detect it.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:36 pm

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Heloin wrote:3.6 not great, not terrible.

I'm told it's the equivalent of a chest x-ray.

Fun fact that you probably all already know: the reason doctors "hide" from the X-Ray even though they tell you it's harmless is because they are exposed to X-Rays many times on a regular basis, and that repeated exposure is what is dangerous.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:37 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Probably not. There would be a seismic shift to.


I don't think most nuclear devices are capable of producing the kind of seismic activity to be detected outside a few miles of the event.

The seismic shock from Ivy Mike went around the world multiple times.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:41 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't think most nuclear devices are capable of producing the kind of seismic activity to be detected outside a few miles of the event.

The seismic shock from Ivy Mike went around the world multiple times.


Oh, you're right, that's fun.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:44 pm

Well, in that case, we ruled out nukes. Since they said something(I believe the soviets didn't even comment on Chernobyl), the Russian Federation is at least slightly more open than the USSR, and the radiodust is small in amount, I guess it's just some coincidence.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:45 pm

It should be noted there is evidence of a nuclear accident in 2017 (denied by Russia) probably at the infamous Mayak facility:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine ... 20-6%3famp

Then another in 2019, initially denied but later reluctantly admitted by Russia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyonoks ... n_accident

This is not uncommon in Russia, and of course Russia habitually lies about such things.
Clearly there was some sort of accident in Russia causing this, as their is no logical natural cause.

Although the amount from this seems pretty low. Still it raises serious questions about the safety standards (seemingly inadequate) and transparency (non existent) of the Russian nuclear industries.

Accidents can happen, but if you deny them and cover them up, that makes it less likely for people to learn from and fix the issues.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:47 pm

Rusozak wrote:Could it have been a weapons test? Some kind of experiment?

If it was a surface detonation, we have satellites that detect gamma ray bursts. If it was a sub-surface detonation, it would have produced noticeable seismic effects.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:49 pm

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Accidents can happen, but if you deny them and cover them up, that makes it less likely for people to learn from and fix the issues.


A lack of warning could turn this into an international incident where other nations are under-equipped to deal with the fallout floating through their nations, too.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:13 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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Accidents can happen, but if you deny them and cover them up, that makes it less likely for people to learn from and fix the issues.


A lack of warning could turn this into an international incident where other nations are under-equipped to deal with the fallout floating through their nations, too.


That too. I am all for supporting the nuclear industry as it is vital to reducing air pollution from fossil power (though a lot the radiation from Russia might involve dubious nuclear weapons projects not civilian power, although we do not know given the total lack of transparency) but every incident should be reported, documented and investigated with steps taken to prevent reoccurrence, and that is clearly not happening with Russia.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:18 pm

Does anyone have hard data on the actual radiation levels? I'm guessing it's not enough to be harmful, but it would be nice to confirm that.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:22 pm

I had giant meteor, dammit I lose.
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Ethel mermania wrote:I had giant meteor, dammit I lose.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:49 pm

Does Mars have AirBNB? Holiday Inn maybe? I'll take a Motel 6 up there if I absolutely have to, desperate to leave this rock rn.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pm

Adding nuclear fallout to the mix? Wonderful. Just wonderful.
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At this rate, we should really start N-Day early. Just to be topical.

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