Iran wants Interpol to arrest President Trump

[Ifreann]

The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded on the 10th of December, the anniversary of the death of Alfred Nobel. In case you hadn't noticed, it's only July.

I suppose I can hope for six more months that the committee will see sense huh.

You can hope all you want, Trump's basically made it impossible to win the prize with now very obviously he desperately wants to win it.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The point is, America's military presence in the Middle East, can't you go back home ?
oil and money are not valuable than human life

Yes you dislike our actions in the ME. Has nothing to do with whether or not we are democratic though so your original statement is a huge non sequitur. And the argument we are the only reason for war there is still absurd.

Also it is not really about money or oil anyways. We do not need the oil, we have more than we know what to do with. The ME is not that important to our economy either. And just leaving with no exit strategy would not necessarily save lives...

Just non sequitur after non sequitur. And our overall history on the ME is not really the topic either.

I would rather we reduce our direct involvement too BUT that is a very complex issue, far beyond out dated memes (and the topic here).

Because America is wrong in the Middle East, as in Vietnam. Political Islam is America's biggest friend in the Middle East.we know what you do with innocent people for oil and money.

[Gormwood]

I suppose I can hope for six more months that the committee will see sense huh.

You can hope all you want, Trump's basically made it impossible to win the prize with now very obviously he desperately wants to win it.

We need a Tweet or Instagram of Obama showing off his Nobel.

[North German Realm]

Yes you dislike our actions in the ME. Has nothing to do with whether or not we are democratic though so your original statement is a huge non sequitur. And the argument we are the only reason for war there is still absurd.

Also it is not really about money or oil anyways. We do not need the oil, we have more than we know what to do with. The ME is not that important to our economy either. And just leaving with no exit strategy would not necessarily save lives...

Just non sequitur after non sequitur. And our overall history on the ME is not really the topic either.

I would rather we reduce our direct involvement too BUT that is a very complex issue, far beyond out dated memes (and the topic here).

Because America is wrong in the Middle East, as in Vietnam. Political Islam is America's biggest friend in the Middle East.we know what you do with innocent people for oil and money.

Political Islam is naturally an enemy to everyone, including 'Political Islam' that belongs to other sects. And really? 'Oil and money'? Play a new tune already lmao

[Novus America]

Yes you dislike our actions in the ME. Has nothing to do with whether or not we are democratic though so your original statement is a huge non sequitur. And the argument we are the only reason for war there is still absurd.

Also it is not really about money or oil anyways. We do not need the oil, we have more than we know what to do with. The ME is not that important to our economy either. And just leaving with no exit strategy would not necessarily save lives...

Just non sequitur after non sequitur. And our overall history on the ME is not really the topic either.

I would rather we reduce our direct involvement too BUT that is a very complex issue, far beyond out dated memes (and the topic here).

Because America is wrong in the Middle East, as in Vietnam. Political Islam is America's biggest friend in the Middle East.we know what you do with innocent people for oil and money.

A comprehensive critique of all US foreign policy since the 60s is beyond this thread. The US has done wrong things in the Middle East but that is quite far removed from the claim we are solely to blame for the problems. That is a complex issue you are looking at with a complete and utter lack of nuance.

Political Islam is a problem but it is not a single entity and different political Islamist groups fight each other. It is complicated.

And no our primary motives, although sometimes yes naive or based on incorrect premises are not money or oil, given we do not heavily rely on the ME for either.

We produce more oil than any country in the ME does. In the past oil played a much larger role in the calculus but times change.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Because America is wrong in the Middle East, as in Vietnam. Political Islam is America's biggest friend in the Middle East.we know what you do with innocent people for oil and money.

A comprehensive critique of all US foreign policy since the 60s is beyond this thread. The US has done wrong things in the Middle East but that is quite far removed from the claim we are solely to blame for the problems. That is a complex issue you are looking at with a complete and utter lack of nuance.

Political Islam is a problem but it is not a single entity and different political Islamist groups fight each other. It is complicated.

And no our primary motives, although sometimes yes naive or based on incorrect premises are not money or oil, given we do not heavily rely on the ME for either.

We produce more oil than any country in the ME does. In the past oil played a much larger role in the calculus but times change.

Green belt children are American policy in the Middle East. I don't know what the people in America think, but we Kemalist social democrats think like this.The only mistake of iran is to support political islam and apply oil to the bread of american, Iran and America continue mutual theater.

[Mirjt]

Iran trying to have Trump extradicted to Iran is a bargaining tool. When the next President after Trump hopefully attempts to make a new deal with Iran (and why should Iran or anyone else trust us without us giving them collaterol, after all Trump has proven our agreements can be torn apart every 4 or 8 years when a new President comes to power), Iran is going to say we are not negotiating until you give us Trump. They know that it is very unlikely, bordering on impossible that they are going to get the U.S. to send them a former President or a sitting President, however we will have to make concessions to Iran to make them give up the Trump issue.

I am tempted to say that if they can promise us that Trump will be treated fairly and humanely, then they can have him, but I get the feeling that would cause all kinds of problems and I suspect that would result in Trump being incarcerated, and I am against prisons.

Trump screws everything up, because he is an unthinking buffoon, with an rich entitlement mindset, and an uncaring and narcisistic personality. Woe be to his descendants, as they will be warped growing up in such a toxic environment and will likely warp their own children as well (and they have to live knowing Trump was their ancestor, which is already torture enough).

[Mirjt]

Illegal or not, killing Soleimani was the single most productive, contributive, and beneficial thing we did for the Middle East since killing Bin Laden. Iran needs to get over themselves. Without Soleimani they're basically irrelevant now.

You cannot seriously be condoning assassinations of foreign political and military officials (really condoning assassinations of anyone). What Trump did was a war crime (though to be fair every single President we have ever had in the U.S. can be convicted of war crimes, especially Trump, Obama, Bush Jr. Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, and Nixon). We don't get to decide who lives and who dies and we don't get to control the political affairs of other sovereign states. If they killed our political and military officials by drone strike because we were rude to them over the phone and then claimed we were planning something we weren't and without proof, we would consider that unacceptable.

[Mirjt]

Wait we killed that bastard at the beginning of the year?

Yes, and this is Iran's response.

P.S. so far in 2020, Trump almost starts WWIII, we have an international pandemic, there is an economic crash which may end up rivaling the Great Depression, the police drop all pretence of being a good institution and openly attack civilians and protesters, and we learn that the climate is changing even faster than we thought (we passed the threshold for irreversible climate change a long time ago, but we though we had till 2030 before we passed the threshold for irreversible catastrophic climate change, now it looks like we may pass that threshold early 2021).

[Libertalonia]

what the, does iran even understand Interpol?

[The Alma Mater]

Wait we killed that bastard at the beginning of the year?

Yes, and this is Iran's response.

P.S. so far in 2020, Trump almost starts WWIII, we have an international pandemic, there is an economic crash which may end up rivaling the Great Depression, the police drop all pretence of being a good institution and openly attack civilians and protesters, and we learn that the climate is changing even faster than we thought (we passed the threshold for irreversible climate change a long time ago, but we though we had till 2030 before we passed the threshold for irreversible catastrophic climate change, now it looks like we may pass that threshold early 2021).

Best president ever.

[Chan Island]

Iran can join the queue of all of the folks who want Trump arrested. I'm pretty sure the SJWs are at the front right now.

[Chan Island]

Wait we killed that bastard at the beginning of the year?

Yes, and this is Iran's response.

P.S. so far in 2020, Trump almost starts WWIII, we have an international pandemic, there is an economic crash which may end up rivaling the Great Depression, the police drop all pretence of being a good institution and openly attack civilians and protesters, and we learn that the climate is changing even faster than we thought (we passed the threshold for irreversible climate change a long time ago, but we though we had till 2030 before we passed the threshold for irreversible catastrophic climate change, now it looks like we may pass that threshold early 2021).

Meanwhile between 35 and 40% of Americans are unironically looking at that and going 'yup, I want to give that guy 4 more years!"

[Rojava Free State]

I kinda would wanna see interpol snatch up a US president (Trump or Bush or Clinton or whoever else) just to see what would happen. Like would America "respect the rule of law and justice" like we constantly lecture everyone else about or would we be threatening to start nuclear bombing the EU, cause one president is worth millions of dead people.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I kinda would wanna see interpol snatch up a US president (Trump or Bush or Clinton or whoever else) just to see what would happen. Like would America "respect the rule of law and justice" like we constantly lecture everyone else about or would we be threatening to start nuclear bombing the EU, cause one president is worth millions of dead people.

"Snatching" isn't legal anyway, so Interpol would be in the wrong. The US would get their President or Ex-President back pretty soon I think.

[Rojava Free State]

I kinda would wanna see interpol snatch up a US president (Trump or Bush or Clinton or whoever else) just to see what would happen. Like would America "respect the rule of law and justice" like we constantly lecture everyone else about or would we be threatening to start nuclear bombing the EU, cause one president is worth millions of dead people.

"Snatching" isn't legal anyway, so Interpol would be in the wrong. The US would get their President or Ex-President back pretty soon I think.

As i said, I would wanna see what would happen if the president was arrested by interpol. I really couldn't predict for sure right now since it never happened before.

[North German Realm]

I kinda would wanna see interpol snatch up a US president (Trump or Bush or Clinton or whoever else) just to see what would happen. Like would America "respect the rule of law and justice" like we constantly lecture everyone else about or would we be threatening to start nuclear bombing the EU, cause one president is worth millions of dead people.

"Snatching" isn't legal anyway, so Interpol would be in the wrong. The US would get their President or Ex-President back pretty soon I think.

I'm like 90% sure that's not how Interpol works at all lmao. They'd tell the US Law Enforcement to arrest Trump, the US cops will be "aight" and not to do shit in that venue.

[Purpelia]

That is your POLITICAL opinion. Military operations do not require an official declaration of war, the US and Iran have been periodically engaged in military operations against the other for decades. It is not INTERPOL’s place to pick sides in the US Iran conflict, and determine which military operations are legitimate or not.

INTERPOL is not allowed to do that.

Actually they do. Military operations without a state of war existing are explicitly against the international rules of warfare and thus effectively a war crime. So really, the only thing that is wrong with this whole thing is that Iran went to the wrong court. But given how the UN is pretty much in americas pocket I can't blame them.

Not how it works? I mean technically he would then be defined as an unlawful combatant and loses geneva convention protections. Which in turn made him a legitimate military target. Being a foreigner in an occupied country does not give you magical protections so you can plot mass murder.

Nor does it make you fair game for murder by any foreign government with a bomb. The status of our victim here as seen by legitimate participants in the conflict in question is absolutely irrelevant because the us is in fact NOT a valid and legitimate participant in the conflict to begin with. If you break into somebodies house and murder another robber you happen to run into you don't get to claim home defense. It's that simple.

[Picairn]

You cannot seriously be condoning assassinations of foreign political and military officials (really condoning assassinations of anyone). What Trump did was a war crime (though to be fair every single President we have ever had in the U.S. can be convicted of war crimes, especially Trump, Obama, Bush Jr. Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, and Nixon). We don't get to decide who lives and who dies and we don't get to control the political affairs of other sovereign states. If they killed our political and military officials by drone strike because we were rude to them over the phone and then claimed we were planning something we weren't and without proof, we would consider that unacceptable.

Except that Soleimani was planning more things than just being rude over the phone. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN1Z301Z

[Elevanos]

99.99% sure the Iranian government never dreamed of getting Interpol to arrest their own war criminals, killing thousands upon thousands of their own innocent people for things like homosexuality, so if anything, Soleimani had it coming to him, and most of the Iranian government should probably be arrested if Trump is a criminal.

[Novus America]

That is your POLITICAL opinion. Military operations do not require an official declaration of war, the US and Iran have been periodically engaged in military operations against the other for decades. It is not INTERPOL’s place to pick sides in the US Iran conflict, and determine which military operations are legitimate or not.

INTERPOL is not allowed to do that.

Actually they do. Military operations without a state of war existing are explicitly against the international rules of warfare and thus effectively a war crime. So really, the only thing that is wrong with this whole thing is that Iran went to the wrong court. But given how the UN is pretty much in americas pocket I can't blame them.

Not how it works? I mean technically he would then be defined as an unlawful combatant and loses geneva convention protections. Which in turn made him a legitimate military target. Being a foreigner in an occupied country does not give you magical protections so you can plot mass murder.

Nor does it make you fair game for murder by any foreign government with a bomb. The status of our victim here as seen by legitimate participants in the conflict in question is absolutely irrelevant because the us is in fact NOT a valid and legitimate participant in the conflict to begin with. If you break into somebodies house and murder another robber you happen to run into you don't get to claim home defense. It's that simple.

You contradict yourself. You admit Iran went to the wrong place, and yet say it did not?

INTERPOL does not deal with these matters, as you yourself admit. If you think killing a soldier is a war crime then take it to the ICJ, not INTERPOL.

Your POLITICAL opinion on a MILITARY matter is your political opinion on a military matter.
INTERPOL’s job is NOT to enforce your political opinions on military matters. Which it is explicitly not allowed to do.

And Iran has been killing Americans, so we fought back, we are in a de facto state of low intensity war with Iran, and have been since 1979. Now is that good or bad? Right or wrong? Are we doing it right or wrong? Which actions are right or wrong?
Sure we can debate such things, but that is a POLITICAL debate regarding MILITARY operations.

Which is not what INTERPOL does.