The Genocide of the Uighurs

[West Leas Oros 2]

Not exactly surprising. The question is what to do about it? Who can we turn to? I'll be damned if anybody stands up to China.

[Britannia Maior]

In your nightmares, maybe, but not realistically. I would rather not see the world economy dip even further thanks to a war that’ll ultimately achieve nothing.

War is not the answer, but trade restrictions are. We do not need to march in an change things by force (which we cannot realistically do) but we can refuse to stop subsidizing and funding the behavior of the Beijing regime. On numerous grounds. If moral grounds are not your cup of tea, while their widespread us if state subsidized dumping and deliberately predatory trade policies against your own country should be enough, and their political influence operations.

Oh, I’m not against trade restrictions and putting pressure on Beijing in the interests of the British nation and for going against those interests. I’m completely on the ball with that. I just don’t want a stupid forced regime change until circumstances are more preferable to me.

In your nightmares, maybe, but not realistically. I would rather not see the world economy dip even further thanks to a war that’ll ultimately achieve nothing.

Who mentioned war?

Your signature gave me the impression you just want war.

[Ansarre]

Your signature gave me the impression you just want war.

Not all regime change requires war. I'm fine with wars to achieve regime change, China isn't a country that would work with.

[Warith]

China is going to do what it has been doing for quite a while now. Who's going to care enough to stop them? Nobody. Central Asians combined (you'd have to imply that they'd be willing to even cooperate with each other) don't have the manpower, and have some amount of leverage held against them by China, Russians already settled for Mongolia, the United States is busy calling them Yogurts, and, if I were to have my best guess, Muslim nations are calling them Chinese.

Sure, sanctions might be thrown, words yelled through a megaphone, but nobody can whats happening except he who controls China itself, and that would require quite the regime change.

EDIT: As for my opinion on the actions themselves, go see the image of the first reply.

[Major-Tom]

I've seen multitudes of people defend this (or try to rationalize it) and to those people both online and out and about, those people should know that they are absolutely ghastly human beings.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I've seen multitudes of people defend this (or try to rationalize it) and to those people both online and out and about, those people should know that they are absolutely ghastly human beings.

Honestly, it surprises me that people still defend China, considering they've managed to piss off pretty much everyone.

[Kowani]

I've seen multitudes of people defend this (or try to rationalize it) and to those people both online and out and about, those people should know that they are absolutely ghastly human beings.

Honestly, it surprises me that people still defend China, considering they've managed to piss off pretty much everyone.

If a position exists, someone on the the Internet will hold it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Honestly, it surprises me that people still defend China, considering they've managed to piss off pretty much everyone.

If a position exists, someone on the the Internet will hold it.

What about primitivism?

[Thyrgga]

If a position exists, someone on the the Internet will hold it.

What about primitivism?

Kowani's law still holds. Check out r/anarcho_primitivism. Don't ask me to explain how it might make sense.

[Novus America]

If a position exists, someone on the the Internet will hold it.

What about primitivism?

Of course. Amusingly primitivism is a internet driven meme.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What about primitivism?

Kowani's law still holds. Check out r/anarcho_primitivism. Don't ask me to explain how it might make sense.

I've heard of internet primitivists. It simply baffles me.

[Ansarre]

I've seen multitudes of people defend this (or try to rationalize it) and to those people both online and out and about, those people should know that they are absolutely ghastly human beings.

Honestly, it surprises me that people still defend China, considering they've managed to piss off pretty much everyone.

Contrarianism. Internet anonymity emboldens people to be as contrarian as possible, even it means holding completely immoral positions.

[Major-Tom]

Honestly, it surprises me that people still defend China, considering they've managed to piss off pretty much everyone.

Contrarianism. Internet anonymity emboldens people to be as contrarian as possible, even it means holding completely immoral positions.

That and folks who secretly don't mind the idea of Muslims in camps all that much, but want to phrase their defense of it in such a way that they don't look like maniacs.

[Vistulange]

Honestly, it surprises me that people still defend China, considering they've managed to piss off pretty much everyone.

Contrarianism. Internet anonymity emboldens people to be as contrarian as possible, even it means holding completely immoral positions.

Ironic. Can you please retire to the history locker that is the early 2000's? Thanks.

More on point, I do have a Uyghur friend, and we've conversed a few times on the issue of Xinjiang. He considered his response thoroughly - being a generally sensible and objective person - and said that while he obviously could not be sure if there are bona fide concentration camps in the region, the fact remains that there are relatives of theirs that they simply cannot get in touch with, and that he is refraining from going to China period because he believes they will detain him, for good.

Just a bit of an anecdote from my life.

[Ansarre]

Ironic. Can you please retire to the history locker that is the early 2000's? Thanks.

My views aren't necessarily contrarian. If I articulate my foreign policy without using the word "neoconservative" I face very little opposition when I speak to people off of the internet. Believe it or not, the majority of people in the real world aren't dictator apologist, Russophilic Marxists or fascists.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Economic sanctions can work, but they need to be clearly about the treatment of Uighurs. Applying them in the middle of a US-China trade war and the Chinese are, probably rightly, going to think they are just another front in the trade war.

[Liriena]

Seriously though, it's shocking just how ruthless and thorough the Chinese government's authoritarianism has become under Xi. The Uighurs deserve freedom and equality, not this.

[Vistulange]

Ironic. Can you please retire to the history locker that is the early 2000's? Thanks.

My views aren't necessarily contrarian. If I articulate my foreign policy without using the word "neoconservative" I face very little opposition when I speak to people off of the internet. Believe it or not, the majority of people in the real world aren't dictator apologist, Russophilic Marxists or fascists.

Nice strawman. People who don't subscribe to your ideology aren't necessarily apologists for dictators, "Russophilic Marxists", or fascists. Your views are edgy and contrarian enough regardless of their label.

[Ansarre]

My views aren't necessarily contrarian. If I articulate my foreign policy without using the word "neoconservative" I face very little opposition when I speak to people off of the internet. Believe it or not, the majority of people in the real world aren't dictator apologist, Russophilic Marxists or fascists.

Nice strawman. People who don't subscribe to your ideology aren't necessarily apologists for dictators, "Russophilic Marxists", or fascists. Your views are edgy and contrarian enough regardless of their label.

Non-interventionists are, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly, supportive of dictators and have a Russophilic foreign policy. As a former "putin is so based the west is evil" extremist, I know this side of politics very well.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Economic sanctions can work, but they need to be clearly about the treatment of Uighurs. Applying them in the middle of a US-China trade war and the Chinese are, probably rightly, going to think they are just another front in the trade war.

Getting the rest of the world to join in this time around instead of leaving the USA to go it alone might be a start.

[New haven america]

Well as long as the PRC is the world's largest cheap sweatshop caused by Western Companies outsourcing most of their manufacturing over there in order to actually avoid paying their employees, nothings going to change because no one can do anything about it or else risk economic destruction.

Who thought it was a good idea to let companies outsource their labor?

[Baltenstein]

Well as long as the PRC is the world's largest cheap sweatshop caused by Western Companies outsourcing most of their manufacturing over there in order to actually avoid paying their employees, nothings going to change because no one can do anything about it or else risk economic destruction.

Who thought it was a good idea to let companies outsource their labor?

Tolitarian Dictatorship + Free Trade + the power of friendship = freedom and ponies for everyone

[Chan Island]

This terrible treatment of the Uighurs is appalling and unfortunately nothing's going to be done about it. We should though.

[Saiwania]

I don't care too much about the situation from an ethics or moral standpoint, but do see it as a prime opportunity to diminish China's power and stability. It is one the economic and military competitors to China (such as the US and Europe) should take in my view in terms of funding and assisting it so as to weaken China enough to set them back by decades if not cancel their dreams of becoming a global superpower or great power.

Foreign backers should enable the Uighurs to resist their oppression. We should want there to be a proxy war over the fate of Xinjiang in my opinion, because it'd mean at minimum that China's military would be preoccupied and perhaps get worn down whilst other nations can become more free to tackle China on the economic front in terms of undoing Chinese economic prowess and dominance.

If most if not all of the Muslim world could unify to oppose the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan, why aren't "volunteers" from various Muslim nations not all signing up to wage Jihad against China's government and military and make a show of force into the region of Xinjiang to defend their Muslim sisters and brothers? If an attack on one portion of the Muslim world could be taken as an attack on all of Islam as a whole? And a casis belli has been met where China is going out of their way to hurt Dar al Islam for unwarranted reasons?

It frustrates me that Islamic fundamentalists target my country merely for having a flawed foreign policy and a different way of life but won't do anything against what arguably should be a true enemy from their perspective.

[MGTOWia]

As far as I'm concerned, the PRC is an enemy of world civilization in general and the US in particular, and deserves to be consigned to the ash heap of history, so I would initially be inclined to sympathize with the Uighurs.

Then I remember how Islamic Ottoman Turks enslaved Christian children and turned them into janissaries, and my sympathy suddenly fades away.