by Lavan Tiri » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:55 pm
Big Jim P wrote:I like the way you think.
Constaniana wrote:Ah, so you were dropped on your head. This explains a lot.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Snarky bastard.
The Grey Wolf wrote:You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:I'm not sure whether to laugh because thIs is the best satire I've ever seen or be very very afraid because someone actually thinks all this so.... have a cookie?
John Holland wrote: John Holland
by Region of Dwipantara » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:00 pm
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by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:03 pm
by Farnhamia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:05 pm
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm for ending it. It is outdated and many nations now elect the presidency through popular vote, so we should follow suit.
by Rossiyaana » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:07 pm
by Forsher » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:10 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:15 pm
Rossiyaana wrote:The Founders of our Country were very much pro slavery, anti women's rights, elitists.
by Outer Sparta » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:15 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:I'll just wait for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to take effect. If the result doesn't spiral into bloodshed, then the voices of "minority voters" (e.g. red Californians and blue Montanans) can finally be heard, and US presidential candidates can finally be forced to cater to the whole population as opposed to just focusing on three or four swing states.
by Lavan Tiri » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:17 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Region of Dwipantara wrote:I'll just wait for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to take effect. If the result doesn't spiral into bloodshed, then the voices of "minority voters" (e.g. red Californians and blue Montanans) can finally be heard, and US presidential candidates can finally be forced to cater to the whole population as opposed to just focusing on three or four swing states.
If Texas manages to turn blue in the coming years, I bet the GOP will immediately advocate for the NPVIC.
Big Jim P wrote:I like the way you think.
Constaniana wrote:Ah, so you were dropped on your head. This explains a lot.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Snarky bastard.
The Grey Wolf wrote:You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:I'm not sure whether to laugh because thIs is the best satire I've ever seen or be very very afraid because someone actually thinks all this so.... have a cookie?
John Holland wrote: John Holland
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:18 pm
by Rossiyaana » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:19 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:22 pm
Region of Dwipantara wrote:I'll just wait for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to take effect. If the result doesn't spiral into bloodshed, then the voices of "minority voters" (e.g. red Californians and blue Montanans) can finally be heard, and US presidential candidates can finally be forced to cater to the whole population as opposed to just focusing on three or four swing states.
by Forsher » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:24 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Region of Dwipantara wrote:I'll just wait for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to take effect. If the result doesn't spiral into bloodshed, then the voices of "minority voters" (e.g. red Californians and blue Montanans) can finally be heard, and US presidential candidates can finally be forced to cater to the whole population as opposed to just focusing on three or four swing states.
There's a pretty good argument to be made that the NPVIC is unconstitutional tbh
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:24 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Region of Dwipantara wrote:I'll just wait for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to take effect. If the result doesn't spiral into bloodshed, then the voices of "minority voters" (e.g. red Californians and blue Montanans) can finally be heard, and US presidential candidates can finally be forced to cater to the whole population as opposed to just focusing on three or four swing states.
There's a pretty good argument to be made that the NPVIC is unconstitutional tbh
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:25 pm
Rossiyaana wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:Well they wouldn't have 21st century values you NPO commie. You wouldn't if you were alive in 1776.
*Socialist
And agreed: had I been alive in 1776, my views on slavery and Woman's rights would probably be very different. But I wasn't. We're living over 200 years in the future, theres no need to cling to the traditions of old just cause thats what the founding fathers did.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:34 pm
by New Bremerton » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:49 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:55 pm
New Bremerton wrote:Scrap the EC and the entire presidential system and replace it with a European-style parliamentary system with proportional representation. A party must win at least 5% of the popular vote nationally in order to be represented in the newCongressParliament of the United States. A German-style, proportional system that encourages coalition/minority governments and consensus-building between a complex grouping of many larger and smaller parties is preferable to a divisive two-party system that encourages extremism and polarization. The President will be reduced to a mere figurehead like the Queen of England. The Prime Minister, who must be a Representative from the Lower House, will serve as the country's actual leader.
As consensus takes precedence over adversarial power struggles, voters on the "winning" side may have slightly less to gain in the short term, but more importantly, voters on the "losing" end of the stick will have far less to lose as the more moderate, centrist partner(s) in any coalition government will likely moderate the more hardline party's policies, resulting in more moderate, sensible governance.
by Rossiyaana » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:56 pm
New Bremerton wrote:Scrap the EC and the entire presidential system and replace it with a European-style parliamentary system with proportional representation. A party must win at least 5% of the popular vote nationally in order to be represented in the newCongressParliament of the United States. A German-style, proportional system that encourages coalition/minority governments and consensus-building between a complex grouping of many larger and smaller parties is preferable to a divisive two-party system that encourages extremism and polarization. The President will be reduced to a mere figurehead like the Queen of England. The Prime Minister, who must be a Representative from the Lower House, will serve as the country's actual leader.
As consensus takes precedence over adversarial power struggles, voters on the "winning" side may have slightly less to gain in the short term, but more importantly, voters on the "losing" end of the stick will have far less to lose as the more moderate, centrist partner(s) in any coalition government will likely moderate the more hardline party's policies, resulting in more moderate, sensible governance.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:57 pm
New Bremerton wrote:Scrap the EC and the entire presidential system and replace it with a European-style parliamentary system with proportional representation. A party must win at least 5% of the popular vote nationally in order to be represented in the newCongressParliament of the United States. A German-style, proportional system that encourages coalition/minority governments and consensus-building between a complex grouping of many larger and smaller parties is preferable to a divisive two-party system that encourages extremism and polarization. The President will be reduced to a mere figurehead like the Queen of England. The Prime Minister, who must be a Representative from the Lower House, will serve as the country's actual leader.
As consensus takes precedence over adversarial power struggles, voters on the "winning" side may have slightly less to gain in the short term, but more importantly, voters on the "losing" end of the stick will have far less to lose as the more moderate, centrist partner(s) in any coalition government will likely moderate the more hardline party's policies, resulting in more moderate, sensible governance.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:00 pm
Rossiyaana wrote:New Bremerton wrote:Scrap the EC and the entire presidential system and replace it with a European-style parliamentary system with proportional representation. A party must win at least 5% of the popular vote nationally in order to be represented in the newCongressParliament of the United States. A German-style, proportional system that encourages coalition/minority governments and consensus-building between a complex grouping of many larger and smaller parties is preferable to a divisive two-party system that encourages extremism and polarization. The President will be reduced to a mere figurehead like the Queen of England. The Prime Minister, who must be a Representative from the Lower House, will serve as the country's actual leader.
As consensus takes precedence over adversarial power struggles, voters on the "winning" side may have slightly less to gain in the short term, but more importantly, voters on the "losing" end of the stick will have far less to lose as the more moderate, centrist partner(s) in any coalition government will likely moderate the more hardline party's policies, resulting in more moderate, sensible governance.
Moderate does not necessarily mean good.
by Rossiyaana » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:03 pm
New Bremerton wrote:Scrap the EC and the entire presidential system and replace it with a European-style parliamentary system with proportional representation. A party must win at least 5% of the popular vote nationally in order to be represented in the newCongressParliament of the United States. A German-style, proportional system that encourages coalition/minority governments and consensus-building between a complex grouping of many larger and smaller parties is preferable to a divisive two-party system that encourages extremism and polarization. The President will be reduced to a mere figurehead like the Queen of England. The Prime Minister, who must be a Representative from the Lower House, will serve as the country's actual leader.
As consensus takes precedence over adversarial power struggles, voters on the "winning" side may have slightly less to gain in the short term, but more importantly, voters on the "losing" end of the stick will have far less to lose as the more moderate, centrist partner(s) in any coalition government will likely moderate the more hardline party's policies, resulting in more moderate, sensible governance.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:05 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Doesn't it come down to compacts needing the approval of Congress?
There's a couple different portions it can be said to violate. Article 2 because it fundamentally changes how electors have always functioned historically and in stark contrast to what the framers intended and it plainly violates the Compact Clause and as you said would need Congressional approval. If people want to change the Electoral College they need to do it via amendment, not the compact.
by Rossiyaana » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:05 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:06 pm
Rossiyaana wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:I think it would break the deadlock and help alleviate partisanship which can be confused with political "extremism." I don't think our politics would go to the moderates if this was implemented.
I think there are easier and more effective ways to end the deadlock.
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