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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:50 am

If Trump was smart, Russia would have a nasty accident quite soon.
Then in October he'd reveal it wasn't really an accident.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:51 am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

I mean.... not exactly the same thing but still.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:58 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

I mean.... not exactly the same thing but still.


Hmm. I didn't know it was started by Carter.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:24 am

Im not surprised by Russia doing this. Nor am i surprised Trump and his Administration would ignore it.
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Postby Ansarre » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:27 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

I mean.... not exactly the same thing but still.

We didn't know they were bad back then. It was morally justified to support them against the Soviets, though a democratic opposition would've been better.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm guessing the response will be to invade Iran.

Taking out a key Russian ally like Iran would be a good start.

Aclion wrote:Intervene in Ukraine, if Russia objects pretend to be surpised, as there are no Russian soldiers in the Ukraine we couldn't possibly be shooting them.

Yep. This is the perfect route to take. Unfortunately the Trump administration is too cowardly to do that.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:56 am

This kind of international thuggery should not be tolerated by any President of the United States.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:09 am

Ansarre wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm guessing the response will be to invade Iran.

Taking out a key Russian ally like Iran would be a good start.

We don’t need to waste thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars waging war against Iran.
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Postby Ansarre » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:13 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
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Taking out a key Russian ally like Iran would be a good start.

We don’t need to waste thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars waging war against Iran.

It wouldn't be a waste.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:13 am

Ansarre wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:We don’t need to waste thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars waging war against Iran.

It wouldn't be a waste.

It would.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:14 am

Ansarre wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:We don’t need to waste thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars waging war against Iran.

It wouldn't be a waste.


Tell that to the soldiers.
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Postby Ansarre » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:17 am

Rusozak wrote:
Ansarre wrote:It wouldn't be a waste.


Tell that to the soldiers.

What did they sign up for? They should be prepared to give their lives for the security of their country and the world.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:17 am

Rusozak wrote:
Ansarre wrote:It wouldn't be a waste.


Tell that to the soldiers.

And the American public who certainly wouldn’t support a war against Iran.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:20 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Trump is a traitor and a kleptocrat, so no surprise there.

Agreed, as well as a kakistocrat. How anyone can not think shit like this is bad is beyond me.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:30 am

Ansarre wrote:
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Tell that to the soldiers.

What did they sign up for? They should be prepared to give their lives for the security of their country and the world.

I doubt that many soldiers signing up would be happy to know that also means they've volunteered to be to be kamikaze pilots.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:33 am

I’ve always suspected the Russians were colluding with the Taliban on a low level, including helping funnel them weapons and ammunition. The CIA did it so well when the Russians were in Afghanistan I find it hard to believe they aren’t capable of doing the same thing.

So this is not really news to me. I think it’s not news to Trump either. What would you have him do? There’s nothing he can do to stop the practice. Russia is already an antagonistic country towards the US, making a diplomatic hubbub about it will change nothing.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:37 am

Heloin wrote:
Ansarre wrote:What did they sign up for? They should be prepared to give their lives for the security of their country and the world.

I doubt that many soldiers signing up would be happy to know that also means they've volunteered to be to be kamikaze pilots.


In another "war of liberation" in a far away land that has little to do with security for the homeland.
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Postby Plzen » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:38 am


Appropriate satire video.



On the actual topic, remember, guys, a national government paying non-governmental organisations for military struggle against a regional rival is only a bad thing when the other guys are doing it.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:38 am

Ansarre wrote:Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounty-to-kill-uk-soldiers

The Russian intelligence unit behind the attempted murder in Salisbury of the former double agent Sergei Skripal secretly offered to pay Taliban-linked fighters to kill British and American soldiers in Afghanistan, according to US reports.


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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:41 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

I mean.... not exactly the same thing but still.

So, the same program that actually paved the way for the Taliban's rise to power?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:42 am

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Ansarre wrote:Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounty-to-kill-uk-soldiers

The Russian intelligence unit behind the attempted murder in Salisbury of the former double agent Sergei Skripal secretly offered to pay Taliban-linked fighters to kill British and American soldiers in Afghanistan, according to US reports.


According to US reports, Saddam Hussein was about to build nuclear weapons in 2002.


So everything they say is wrong?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:44 am

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According to US reports, Saddam Hussein was about to build nuclear weapons in 2002.


So everything they say is wrong?

No. It merely cannot be trusted, neither as wrong nor as right. The US have a long history of creating fake "incidents" to justify wars. Tonkin gulf anyone?
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:08 am

Krasny-Volny wrote:I’ve always suspected the Russians were colluding with the Taliban on a low level, including helping funnel them weapons and ammunition. The CIA did it so well when the Russians were in Afghanistan I find it hard to believe they aren’t capable of doing the same thing.

So this is not really news to me. I think it’s not news to Trump either. What would you have him do? There’s nothing he can do to stop the practice. Russia is already an antagonistic country towards the US, making a diplomatic hubbub about it will change nothing.


The Taliban were not involved in the Soviet Afghan war. The Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989, the Taliban did not exist until 1994.

Although sure the US supported some anti Soviet forces (primarily the Tajiks, the Taliban are mostly Pashtun anyways) at that point we were not pretending to be anything but rivals of and opposed to the Soviets. The issue is not so much Russia engaging in such actions, but the fact the we still import stuff from and cooperate with Russia, and we and them both claim we are not enemies. We should just be honest Putin our enemy and want us to suffer the same fate the Soviets did, and stop trying to be his friend. Until he changes his ways.

And a diplomatic hubby can do something. Note how Russia is adamantly denying it, they do not want us talking about it, so we should. Because Russia has friends in Europe and India who are not thrilled with the idea.
And we still have room to extend sanctions.

If Russia did do this, and we do nothing, Russia will do more of it.
Russia only respects strength, and exploits any sign of inaction or weakness.
They respect only the hammer, so they need a sanctions and diplomatic hammering over this.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:09 am

Risottia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So everything they say is wrong?

No. It merely cannot be trusted, neither as wrong nor as right. The US have a long history of creating fake "incidents" to justify wars. Tonkin gulf anyone?


The US is not looking to start a war with Russia, obviously.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:13 am

Geneviev wrote:I think Trump should resign over this, given that it makes it look as if he doesn't care about the troops.


I mean, he doesn't care about our troops. This is public knowledge. He spits, pisses, and shits on our troops regularly. No respect for veterans, active duty, POWs, or even the fallen. He doesn't give a fuck. He is without a doubt the most anti-military president we've ever had.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:16 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:If Trump was smart, Russia would have a nasty accident quite soon.
Then in October he'd reveal it wasn't really an accident.


Why would he do that? He's a Russian puppet.
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