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-Astoria- wrote:

Doom Legions wrote:People can be openly racist against whites and get praise for it, yet racism against any other race gets you torn to shreds by the mob.
Yet somehow white privilige still exists.

Ok.

> "praise"?

[citation needed]

Esotyrica wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:> "praise"?

[citation needed]

didnt she get promoted

Porotia wrote:

Esotyrica wrote:didnt she get promoted

Yea, she was in fact promoted. The police in Cambridge are now investigating the whole thing, for obvious reasons.

Astoria's requested citations:
Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, and Source 5.

A spokesperson for Cambridgeshire Police told Varsity that “after receiving multiple complaints” in relation to the content of “a Twitter post that has been shared a large number of times in recent days,” officers had “concluded no offence has been committed.”

Gravlen wrote:

Porotia wrote:Yea, she was in fact promoted. The police in Cambridge are now investigating the whole thing, for obvious reasons.

Astoria's requested citations:
Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, and Source 5.

You're two weeks late to the party.

A spokesperson for Cambridgeshire Police told Varsity that “after receiving multiple complaints” in relation to the content of “a Twitter post that has been shared a large number of times in recent days,” officers had “concluded no offence has been committed.”

Porotia wrote:

Esotyrica wrote:didnt she get promoted

Yea, she was in fact promoted.

Astoria's requested citations:
Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, and Source 5.

Dr Priyamvada Gopal, 51, who teaches in the Faculty of English at Churchill College, took to the social media platform on Tuesday evening to write: 'I'll say it again. White Lives Don't Matter. As white lives.'

Dr Gopal later explained on social media that she was 'clearly speaking to a structure and ideology, not about people'

bvggfSeparately, Gopal announced on Twitter that she will be instructing lawyers to take legal action against the Daily Mail after they published a column in their print edition on Saturday which Gopal claims is defamatory.

The column by Amanda Platell stated that Gopal wrote about replacing white people. However this “fake quote” had not been made by Gopal and Cambridge Police confirmed “after investigation that screenshots” of the tweet “purportedly from Professor Gopal are hoaxes”.

It was also announced, on Thursday, that Gopal is to be promoted to full Professorial Chair. The English Faculty Board stressed that this promotion was “decided over the course of the last six months by the University’s normal promotions procedure”.

and the backlash prompted the university to issue a statement that said that professors have the right to express their opinions, according to Summit News.

"When I talk about abolishing whiteness, I talk about political practices and ideologies. Systems of oppression, whether white or brown, should be abolished," Gopal later clarified. "It's about abolishing a race hierarchy where whites are at the top."

Porotia wrote:

Gravlen wrote:You're two weeks late to the party.

A spokesperson for Cambridgeshire Police told Varsity that “after receiving multiple complaints” in relation to the content of “a Twitter post that has been shared a large number of times in recent days,” officers had “concluded no offence has been committed.”

I'm the OP of this thread. You're the one who's late.

Porotia wrote:I'm the OP of this thread.

-Astoria- wrote:

Dr Priyamvada Gopal, 51, who teaches in the Faculty of English at Churchill College, took to the social media platform on Tuesday evening to write: 'I'll say it again. White Lives Don't Matter. As white lives.'

-Astoria- wrote:Also, seriously? Using the Daily Mail & the Sun (ffs) as sources?

Separately, Gopal announced on Twitter that she will be instructing lawyers to take legal action against the Daily Mail after they published a column in their print edition on Saturday which Gopal claims is defamatory.

The column by Amanda Platell stated that Gopal wrote about replacing white people. However this “fake quote” had not been made by Gopal and Cambridge Police confirmed “after investigation that screenshots” of the tweet “purportedly from Professor Gopal are hoaxes”.

-Astoria- wrote:Also, as per the promotion, that had nothing to do with the tweets:

It was also announced, on Thursday, that Gopal is to be promoted to full Professorial Chair. The English Faculty Board stressed that this promotion was “decided over the course of the last six months by the University’s normal promotions procedure”.

And also, to be fair-ish:

Cambridge University Conservative Association (CUCA) criticised Gopal on Saturday for liking a tweet that included a sentence calling “whites” a “disease that needs to be cleansed from the earth”.

Gopal has since described this as “a poor choice of ‘like’”, writing that she “withdraw the ‘like’ unconditionally” and claiming she was “‘liking’ a series of supportive tweets late at night, not reading them properly or all the way through”.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:You're clearly outraged by Prof. Gopal's tweet, so I guess you want something done about it.
But the only question you put was whether it was illegal.

And that gives anyone who disagrees with you a firm anchor. Any time a debate isn't going how they would like, they can "return to the subject" which is whether the professor's highly questionable tweet is ILLEGAL.

Now all you've mustered to your side are some people saying it should be illegal (though it's not) because nazi pug.
Bit of a mistake you made there.

Porotia wrote:

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:You're clearly outraged by Prof. Gopal's tweet, so I guess you want something done about it.
But the only question you put was whether it was illegal.

And that gives anyone who disagrees with you a firm anchor. Any time a debate isn't going how they would like, they can "return to the subject" which is whether the professor's highly questionable tweet is ILLEGAL.

Now all you've mustered to your side are some people saying it should be illegal (though it's not) because nazi pug.
Bit of a mistake you made there.

My main focus is not nazi pug, and I'm not even the user who mentioned it first. Also, her post falls under the UK's Communications Act 2003, which by all means makes her post illegal, as she lives within the UK.

Jello Biafra wrote:

Hrythingland wrote:I disagree. There's no point in apologising to someone not willing to accept it.

The purpose of apologizing is to acknowledge that a wrongdoing was done to someone and asking for their forgiveness. If there's no apology, there's either no acknowledgement of wrongdoing or acknowledgement that you've done something that needs to be forgiven.

And there's certainly little point in apologising for history in general.

Sure, 'history in general' is not something to apologize for. However, history that is done by an entity -in this case, a state such as the United Kingdom- that still exists means that the wrongdoer is still alive.

I'm happy to put my hands up and say that my predecessors got in wrong in places like Ireland and India but I'm not going to apologise for having an empire or my ancestors doing what they could to further the renown of their people.

Why is having an empire or doing what someone can to further the renown of their people automatically not something that needs an apology?

Almost every 'people' worth mentioning in history owe other peoples an apology yet we're only really demanding it from Europeans. A few more consistent actors shake their fist at the Japanese and Turks but that's about it. No one rails at Mongolia or Arabs and whatnot. People see this for what it is which is an anti-white invective. That we should take a knee, move aside, apologise, make amends, dismantle our own societies.

Whataboutism is an illogical argument. You should probably avoid making illogical arguments.

No. I apologise for nothing. Partly because we did what we needed to do in the global game of dog eat dog and partly because in my personal case most of my ancestors were either crawling through a Welsh coal mine or farming kelp in a Highland croft. A few served as cavalry in places like Crimea, India and Africa but they were just rank and file not officers. I feel no shame and only a little bit of pity.

Direct benefits or indirect benefits, there are benefits nonetheless.