Cambridge defended and praised a professor for a wrongdoing

[Britannia Maior]

It’s more of a matter of hypocrisy I think. The university would’ve thrown her to the mobs if she dared say something mildly offensive to blacks or Arabs.

This.

It could also be argued that her words are 'incitement to racial hatred' which is a crime.

It would give Cambridge more integrity if they threw her out like they ought to. Doing otherwise only shows their racial bias.

[James_xenoland]

I know this is in the UK and all that but it's the same bullshit and fallacies.. So perfect opportunity to bring up something.. The need for either reform and oversight, or defunding of the university system as it currently is.

[Aclion]

That would be section 18 of part 3 of the England and Wales and Scotland the Public Order Act of 1986

Authorities have looked into the matter, and not found any violation of any laws.

British justice is political so that means nothing.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Authorities have looked into the matter, and not found any violation of any laws.

British justice is political so that means nothing.

It's literally the question in the OP. Is it legal?

Politicians make the laws, therefore justice in ANY country is political.

[The Two Jerseys]

Authorities have looked into the matter, and not found any violation of any laws.

British justice is political so that means nothing.

No, their problem in Britain is that the police not appearing racist is more important than justice.

[Aclion]

British justice is political so that means nothing.

No, their problem in Britain is that the police not appearing racist is more important than justice.

That's an example of justice being poltical

British justice is political so that means nothing.

It's literally the question in the OP. Is it legal?

That should not be surprising, since that discussion you are quoting started as an asnswer to that question. Is it legal in terms what the law says? No, no it's not. it violates section 18 of part 3 of the England and Wales and Scotland the Public Order Act of 1986. But what the law says is unimportant in the UK, because the courts operate on political considerations, not legality.

Politicians make the laws, therefore justice in ANY country is political.

Perhaps it would be helpful to review what the term refers to. It does not refer to justice based on policy, but a judicial system that places political priorities over law
https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sci ... al-justice

[Porotia]

Mark Meechan made his joke purely to spite his girlfriend and got fined for it.

He was not fined for making a joke, but for publishing a grossly offensive message while making a joke.

Nazi Pug joke was," My girlfriend has been going on nonstop about how cute her pug is. It's gotten a bit annoying, so I decided to make her pug something un-cute. A Nazi."

The grossly offensive part was repeating the phrase "Gas the jews" 23 times, in a video featuring nazi imagery.

He then showed the pug reacting to various Nazi phrases by lifting its paw in a roman salute. Altogether, it's a funny joke, but the joke was lost on the courts because of the specific requirement that,' the statement be examined irrelevant to context'.

This is a false statement that I've seen many people repeat. To be clear, context was very important, and it was the context that made the offending statements grossly offensive.

I'm pretty sure that whole pug thing was in good fun. Might not be your definition of fun, but it definitely gave me a good laugh when I watched it. I have a love for controversial satire.

And let me ask you this, would you consider me a Nazi for saying that?

[Stellar Colonies]

The same academic has also in the past posted;

"I resist the urge to kneecap white men every day", and other anti-white, anti-male tweets.

I think at this point it's fairly obvious she's an anti-white racist and an anti-male sexist, and her tweet discussed here should be evaluated in that light.

wtf

[Diarcesia]

A British university defended one of its professors following a petition launched against her after she posted on social media that “white lives don’t matter.”

Priyamvada Gopal, a professor in colonial and postcolonial literature at Cambridge University, posted a series of tweets Tuesday saying “white lives don’t matter” and “abolish whiteness” and the backlash prompted the university to issue a statement that said that professors have the right to express their opinion

"Colonial and postcolonial literature"; this reeks of white guilt. This person, althought I do not deny her responsability, was probably raised to hate the evil white colonizer, and love the poor black tribesman.

Unsurprising.

Edit : I wouldn't be surprised if, through systematic degradation and humiliation, the "black live matters" folk and "f*ck white people" folk would end up causing the very thing they are afraid of : A society in which the white man hates anyone that is not white and will seek to enslave or kill any such person. Only hatred comes out of hatred. They should weigh their words.

tbf whites did depraved crap during the colonial era and need not emulated

[-Astoria-]

How long before we get "anti-racist is code for anti-white"?

[Czechostan]

Abolish whiteness? That sounds pretty sweet. Of course, that's only possible if we abolish blackness too, and Gopal kind-of acknowledges this, though not as forthright as I would have hoped: "When I talk about abolishing whiteness, I talk about political practices and ideologies. Systems of oppression, whether white or brown, should be abolished." I would love to see a post-racial America, but given institutional racism and the prevalence of white and black people clinging onto racial identity, I don't think that's possible anytime soon.

What about the "white lives don't matter" part? Here's the tweet as I found it: "I’ll say it again. White lives don’t matter. As white lives." That additional sentence contextualizes what she means. It's not that a white person's life doesn't matter, it's that "whiteness" is not the reason behind a life mattering. I don't necessarily disagree with her, but she made her point in a lousy and edgy manner.

The funny thing is, you could make a duplicate tweet that says basically the exact same thing. "I'll say it again. Black lives don't matter. As black lives." And if you said that, the shit-storm would come from the left, and the right would be vociferously defending freeze peach. All this little incident shows is how out-of-control cancel culture has gotten and how unwilling people are to have productive dialogue.

[Salus Maior]

If you're saying that it's a response to 'white nationalist dog whistles', it's not a very good response. Not every white person is a white nationalist. If you're saying that White lives don't matter, then I'd say that it's highly hypocritical, as you're trying to defend an entire demographic yet condemning another.

"White lives matter" is a phrase with a (somewhat) hidden meaning, used by White Nationalists to communicate something to other WN's while speaking openly.

You could validly object that it's not really a dog-whistle. Because it is "audible" to anyone: the meaning isn't well hidden.

Who cares about the ideological implications. Nobody gets to say that human lives of any kind don't matter, even if it's some kind of kitschy response to some other kind of ideology.

Because people who aren't versed in that, are going to take it seriously and at face value.

[Salus Maior]

tbf whites did depraved crap during the colonial era and need not emulated

Tbf, most societies did depraved crap in previous ages.

Colonialism and Imperialism are not exclusive to white people. Hell, I'd say that the Chinese have been making a fine go at it for some time now, just ask the Uyghurs and Tibetans.

[Diarcesia]

I can't help but wonder if the University would still have defended her had she said black lives don't matter.

It's so encouraging that Ivy League schools now view anti-white racism as socially acceptable.

If they care about the marketplace of ideas they should defend her even if she said that.

Then thoroughly roast those arguments to the ground.

[Platitude dispensers]

Who is paying £9000 a year for boring old lefty nonsence? Totally ridiculous lol. Defund Gender studies degrees, maybe that's the only course on offer in university's now.

[Platitude dispensers]

If they care about the marketplace of ideas they should defend her even if she said that.

Then thoroughly roast those arguments to the ground.

They don't, though. Cambridge has blatantly canceled speakers in the past for having dissenting opinions in.

Well they need to go to Oxford university instead then

[Gravlen]

Authorities have looked into the matter, and not found any violation of any laws.

So? Cambridge has fired professors and cancelled speakers for less.

So? I suppose you were in favour of that. Not a fan of freedom of expression I take it...

And if you had followed the conversation, you'd seen that we were talking about the legality of her statements.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The same academic has also in the past posted;

"I resist the urge to kneecap white men every day", and other anti-white, anti-male tweets.

I think at this point it's fairly obvious she's an anti-white racist and an anti-male sexist, and her tweet discussed here should be evaluated in that light.

So it’s actually worse in context?

[-Astoria-]

:rofl: Who is paying £9000 a year for boring old lefty nonsence? Totally ridiculous lol. Defund Gender studies degrees, maybe that's the only course on offer in university's now.

Founding date checked out.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

:rofl: Who is paying £9000 a year for boring old lefty nonsence? Totally ridiculous lol. Defund Gender studies degrees, maybe that's the only course on offer in university's now.

Founding date checked out.

14 minutes of glory. And BOOM.

[Baltenstein]

I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.

[-Astoria-]

I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.

And also Europe, Australia, etc...

[Baltenstein]

I thought this crazy "White identity" nonsense was largely confined to the US and maybe Canada. I didn't know it was a thing in the UK too, having assumed that people there identify as British and/or English/Welsh/Scot/Asian/Jamaican/whatever.

And also Europe, Australia, etc...

I don't know about other European countries, but in Germany, the idea of "being white" and "white identity" was virtually unheard of outside of some fringe Neo-Nazi circles until rather recently.

[Federal Republic Of America And The Cari]

Saying "White Lives Don't Matter" in any context will alienate potential allies, provide enemies with free propaganda to use as ammunition, and attract individuals with some nasty opinions against whites.

Bold of you to assume that that hasn't happened yet.

There are more concerning things than less potential allies to your cause.

The thing is; less allies may result in less support.

Which equals into less support from the common man, which might lead to the end of said movement the professor in question MIGHT be a part of

[Rojava Free State]

I think it's funny how the same people who call you islamaphobic and racist for even pointing out that Islam has some serious theological issues often paint with a broad brush when white people are involved. I saw one girl who was like "in history white people are rarely the hero." Just for some reference so you can see how hypocritical these folks are, I'm gonna replace "white" with "Arab" and "racism" with "terrorism" in the sentences they say and you'll see what the issue is with their thought process.

•Whiteness needs to be abolished. It is a concept that killed millions.

•White people are responsible for most of the world's suffering.

•Racism exists to perpetuate white supremacy.

•Only white people can be racist.

•White people's ancestors were evil slave owners.

•White people are all inherently racist because of the system of power and privilege they live in.

•White culture is built around violence and oppression.

•You can't be racist to white people.

Alright, now to switch it up so you can see how bad this shit really sounds:

•Arab identity needs to be abolished. It's a concept that killed millions.

•Arabs are responsible for most of the world's suffering.

•Terrorism exists to perpetuate Arab supremacy.

•Only Arabs can be terrorists.

•Arab people's ancestors were violent jihadists.

•Arabs are inherently terrorists because of the system of power and privilege they live in.

•Arab culture is built around violence and oppression.

•You can't commit acts of terror against an Arab.

See why this kind of thought process is problematic? It paints certain evil acts as being unique to one group, demonizes the culture of said group and basically portrays that group as the root of all evil. So how about we cut the one sided unnuanced crap. "White culture" is no more based around violence than any other culture. Racism is not unique to white people. Most white people are not racists at all and you won't make them side with you by screaming "RACIST" at them repeatedly. And the cultures of Europe need to be preserved like all others and not violently abolished cause "white culture bad." A true anti racist would not demonize a particular race, yet that's what alot of these 1619 types sure seem to do alot.