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Cekoviu wrote:i can't believe i'm saying this, but i wish you were still a rightlib

Why? Are my new views more of a threat?

in about the same way as a fungus gnat buzzing around my computer screen is a "threat"
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The Reformed American Republic wrote:Why? Are my new views more of a threat?

in about the same way as a fungus gnat buzzing around my computer screen is a "threat"

Then why would you prefer me to be a rightlib? I cannot enforce or implement them.
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Postby Federal Republic Of America And The Cari » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:48 pm

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Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Thanks for the explanation their buddy

No but seriously this mentality is already dangerous by itself,and it already managed to fuck up Sweden

That's a bit left-field; Sweden?

Swedish government told school's to not teach medieval and ancient history for the shit that's going on right now, though I can't seem to find a source.
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-Astoria- wrote:That's a bit left-field; Sweden?

Swedish government told school's to not teach medieval and ancient history for the shit that's going on right now, though I can't seem to find a source.
If you can't find a source, then it's highly likely that it's a load of bull.
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-Astoria- wrote:
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Swedish government told school's to not teach medieval and ancient history for the shit that's going on right now, though I can't seem to find a source.
If you can't find a source, then it's highly likely that it's a load of bull.


Something happened in September last year, but I can't find any resolution to it.

When the best source I can find is Russian-government owned it's probably fake news.
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Hrythingland wrote:Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

I very much doubt that most Jewish people view the apologies and reparations that (West) Germany paid as being 'enough' to make up for the Holocaust. There's no 'Now we're even' there. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that Germany shouldn't have tried to make up for the Holocaust. Similarly, the horrible things done as part of colonalism and slavery/racist laws aren't going to be evened out via apologies and reparations. This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an attempt made.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:27 am

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-Astoria- wrote:If you can't find a source, then it's highly likely that it's a load of bull.


Something happened in September last year, but I can't find any resolution to it.

When the best source I can find is Russian-government owned it's probably fake news.

The linked source has promoted fake news before. So, that definitely is fake news.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:36 am

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Hrythingland wrote:Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

I very much doubt that most Jewish people view the apologies and reparations that (West) Germany paid as being 'enough' to make up for the Holocaust. There's no 'Now we're even' there. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that Germany shouldn't have tried to make up for the Holocaust. Similarly, the horrible things done as part of colonalism and slavery/racist laws aren't going to be evened out via apologies and reparations. This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an attempt made.


Germany paid the victims of the holocaust. It didn't pay all jews everywhere because it had done a crime against "The Jews". There's a reason for that, let's see if you can figure it out and why this makes the notion of reperations nonsense.

We already give foreign aid to poor nations.
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Postby Hrythingland » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:48 am

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Hrythingland wrote:Mostly because it is the attitude of many activists that: 'you must apologise and also accept that even with apologies and reparations it won't be enough'.

I very much doubt that most Jewish people view the apologies and reparations that (West) Germany paid as being 'enough' to make up for the Holocaust. There's no 'Now we're even' there. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that Germany shouldn't have tried to make up for the Holocaust. Similarly, the horrible things done as part of colonalism and slavery/racist laws aren't going to be evened out via apologies and reparations. This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an attempt made.

I disagree. There's no point in apologising to someone not willing to accept it. And there's certainly little point in apologising for history in general. I'm happy to put my hands up and say that my predecessors got in wrong in places like Ireland and India but I'm not going to apologise for having an empire or my ancestors doing what they could to further the renown of their people. Almost every 'people' worth mentioning in history owe other peoples an apology yet we're only really demanding it from Europeans. A few more consistent actors shake their fist at the Japanese and Turks but that's about it. No one rails at Mongolia or Arabs and whatnot. People see this for what it is which is an anti-white invective. That we should take a knee, move aside, apologise, make amends, dismantle our own societies.

No. I apologise for nothing. Partly because we did what we needed to do in the global game of dog eat dog and partly because in my personal case most of my ancestors were either crawling through a Welsh coal mine or farming kelp in a Highland croft. A few served as cavalry in places like Crimea, India and Africa but they were just rank and file not officers. I feel no shame and only a little bit of pity.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:00 am

Hrythingland wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:I very much doubt that most Jewish people view the apologies and reparations that (West) Germany paid as being 'enough' to make up for the Holocaust. There's no 'Now we're even' there. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that Germany shouldn't have tried to make up for the Holocaust. Similarly, the horrible things done as part of colonalism and slavery/racist laws aren't going to be evened out via apologies and reparations. This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an attempt made.

I disagree. There's no point in apologising to someone not willing to accept it. And there's certainly little point in apologising for history in general. I'm happy to put my hands up and say that my predecessors got in wrong in places like Ireland and India but I'm not going to apologise for having an empire or my ancestors doing what they could to further the renown of their people. Almost every 'people' worth mentioning in history owe other peoples an apology yet we're only really demanding it from Europeans. A few more consistent actors shake their fist at the Japanese and Turks but that's about it. No one rails at Mongolia or Arabs and whatnot. People see this for what it is which is an anti-white invective. That we should take a knee, move aside, apologise, make amends, dismantle our own societies.


To be fair though, modern Mongolia is a dirt-poor nation of like 2 million people in the middle of the Eurasian nowhere. It's kinda hard to shake your fist at people you have to remind yourself actually exist.
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Postby Hrythingland » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:57 am

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Hrythingland wrote:I disagree. There's no point in apologising to someone not willing to accept it. And there's certainly little point in apologising for history in general. I'm happy to put my hands up and say that my predecessors got in wrong in places like Ireland and India but I'm not going to apologise for having an empire or my ancestors doing what they could to further the renown of their people. Almost every 'people' worth mentioning in history owe other peoples an apology yet we're only really demanding it from Europeans. A few more consistent actors shake their fist at the Japanese and Turks but that's about it. No one rails at Mongolia or Arabs and whatnot. People see this for what it is which is an anti-white invective. That we should take a knee, move aside, apologise, make amends, dismantle our own societies.


To be fair though, modern Mongolia is a dirt-poor nation of like 2 million people in the middle of the Eurasian nowhere. It's kinda hard to shake your fist at people you have to remind yourself actually exist.

Its not quite dirt poor. And they recently erected a monstrously huge steel statue to Genghis Khan. Good, to be honest. They have nothing to be ashamed of either.
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:15 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Something happened in September last year, but I can't find any resolution to it.

When the best source I can find is Russian-government owned it's probably fake news.

The linked source has promoted fake news before. So, that definitely is fake news.

9 times out of 10, when someone points to Sweden as an example of "PC gone mad", it's all false.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:55 am

Gravlen wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:The linked source has promoted fake news before. So, that definitely is fake news.

9 times out of 10, when someone points to Sweden as an example of "PC gone mad", it's all false.

Something something "no-go zones".

But I'm getting off-topic.
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Postby Auristania » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:23 pm

Kowani wrote:I know nothing about British speech law.

Could the OP cite some statue which was violated?

Not any more. There used to be a Law against Incitement to Murder, but when Islamic priests demanded the death of Salman Rushdie, that islamophobic statute was immediately repealed.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:41 pm

Gravlen wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:The linked source has promoted fake news before. So, that definitely is fake news.

9 times out of 10, when someone points to Sweden as an example of "PC gone mad", it's all false.

I hate fake stories. There are PC culture excesses and fake stories make anyone who points them out look like liers.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:08 pm

Hrythingland wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
To be fair though, modern Mongolia is a dirt-poor nation of like 2 million people in the middle of the Eurasian nowhere. It's kinda hard to shake your fist at people you have to remind yourself actually exist.

Its not quite dirt poor. And they recently erected a monstrously huge steel statue to Genghis Khan. Good, to be honest. They have nothing to be ashamed of either.

From what I can tell, it seems to be below average, with some very large issues, but it’s not literal deprivation everywhere.
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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:57 am

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New Bremerton wrote:Compare Cambridge U's tepid defense of a woke, openly and shamelessly racist professor to how quickly the university condemned and disowned David Starkey's remarks on slavery and his criticism of BLM and woke, cancel culture and how quickly the BBC and Twitter descended on him like a ton of bricks. He is being "struggled against" and crucified by a woke, middle-class proletariat for far less than the much more overtly racist tweets made by Priyamvada Gopal, who has opted to double down on her disgusting, anti-white views and pretend she's some kind of victim of harassment. Free speech for me but not for thee.


You should quote David Starkey's remarks, if you really mean to make a fair comparison. All of them if you please.


I didn't link to the article? Here it is:

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New Bremerton wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
You should quote David Starkey's remarks, if you really mean to make a fair comparison. All of them if you please.


I didn't link to the article? Here it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53279273

Let's look at the "criticism", shall we?

Starkey told an online show hosted by conservative commentator Darren Grimes that slavery was not genocide, because of the survival of "so many damn blacks".

In it, Starkey said: "Slavery was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or Britain would there? An awful lot of them survived."

He also claimed that the Black Lives Matter protests, following the death of George Floyd, had been characterised by "violence" and "victimhood".

He described cancel culture and the pulling down of statues as "deranged".

The show's host tweeted on Thursday: "I reject in the strongest possible terms what Dr Starkey said in that clip and so very wish I'd caught it at the time. I am still learning the ropes, I will be much more alert to challenging this kind of thing in future."

It's not the first time Starkey has been involved in a public race row.
In 2011, the BBC received nearly 700 complaints about Starkey's claim that "whites have become black", during a Newsnight discussion about riots in the UK.

"What has happened is that the substantial section of the chavs that you wrote about have become black. The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion," he said.

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So where's the supposed "criticism" against the "woke, cancel culture" of the "proletariat"? Image
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Postby Alien Overlord » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:43 am

Hrythingland wrote:
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To be fair though, modern Mongolia is a dirt-poor nation of like 2 million people in the middle of the Eurasian nowhere. It's kinda hard to shake your fist at people you have to remind yourself actually exist.

Its not quite dirt poor. And they recently erected a monstrously huge steel statue to Genghis Khan. Good, to be honest. They have nothing to be ashamed of either.

I don't disagree, but let me be straight with this.

Mongolians are allowed to be proud of a man who slaughtered around forty-million people and imposed his empire on lands stretching from Korea to central Russia but "white guilt" is somehow acceptable.
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That aside, this Cambridge professor is obviously a racist and should face the social stigma of that racism, but they won't.

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Jello Biafra wrote:I very much doubt that most Jewish people view the apologies and reparations that (West) Germany paid as being 'enough' to make up for the Holocaust. There's no 'Now we're even' there. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that Germany shouldn't have tried to make up for the Holocaust. Similarly, the horrible things done as part of colonalism and slavery/racist laws aren't going to be evened out via apologies and reparations. This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an attempt made.

I disagree. There's no point in apologising to someone not willing to accept it. And there's certainly little point in apologising for history in general. I'm happy to put my hands up and say that my predecessors got in wrong in places like Ireland and India but I'm not going to apologise for having an empire or my ancestors doing what they could to further the renown of their people. Almost every 'people' worth mentioning in history owe other peoples an apology yet we're only really demanding it from Europeans. A few more consistent actors shake their fist at the Japanese and Turks but that's about it. No one rails at Mongolia or Arabs and whatnot. People see this for what it is which is an anti-white invective. That we should take a knee, move aside, apologise, make amends, dismantle our own societies.

No. I apologise for nothing. Partly because we did what we needed to do in the global game of dog eat dog and partly because in my personal case most of my ancestors were either crawling through a Welsh coal mine or farming kelp in a Highland croft. A few served as cavalry in places like Crimea, India and Africa but they were just rank and file not officers. I feel no shame and only a little bit of pity.

This pretty much sums up my views on the matter and my own opinions towards something like this. Except that i feel no pity for any of it. Empire building is human nature, we can see that since the first settlements began to take shape in the Fertile Crescent. The British Empire did nothing wrong* (*At least nothing more wrong than any other country/people have done historically or will do in the future/right now)
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Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:29 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:I very much doubt that most Jewish people view the apologies and reparations that (West) Germany paid as being 'enough' to make up for the Holocaust. There's no 'Now we're even' there. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that Germany shouldn't have tried to make up for the Holocaust. Similarly, the horrible things done as part of colonalism and slavery/racist laws aren't going to be evened out via apologies and reparations. This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an attempt made.


Germany paid the victims of the holocaust. It didn't pay all jews everywhere because it had done a crime against "The Jews". There's a reason for that, let's see if you can figure it out and why this makes the notion of reperations nonsense.

As a general rule, when we talk about reparations, it's a country paying reparations to its own citizens. Of course Germany wouldn't pay reparations to hypothetical Jews who had lived in Canada since 1888.

We already give foreign aid to poor nations.

It's nice that a tiny fraction of what was taken is being given back, but more could (and should) be done.

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Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:41 am

Hrythingland wrote:I disagree. There's no point in apologising to someone not willing to accept it.

The purpose of apologizing is to acknowledge that a wrongdoing was done to someone and asking for their forgiveness. If there's no apology, there's either no acknowledgement of wrongdoing or acknowledgement that you've done something that needs to be forgiven.


And there's certainly little point in apologising for history in general.

Sure, 'history in general' is not something to apologize for. However, history that is done by an entity -in this case, a state such as the United Kingdom- that still exists means that the wrongdoer is still alive.

I'm happy to put my hands up and say that my predecessors got in wrong in places like Ireland and India but I'm not going to apologise for having an empire or my ancestors doing what they could to further the renown of their people.

Why is having an empire or doing what someone can to further the renown of their people automatically not something that needs an apology?

Almost every 'people' worth mentioning in history owe other peoples an apology yet we're only really demanding it from Europeans. A few more consistent actors shake their fist at the Japanese and Turks but that's about it. No one rails at Mongolia or Arabs and whatnot. People see this for what it is which is an anti-white invective. That we should take a knee, move aside, apologise, make amends, dismantle our own societies.

Whataboutism is an illogical argument. You should probably avoid making illogical arguments.

No. I apologise for nothing. Partly because we did what we needed to do in the global game of dog eat dog and partly because in my personal case most of my ancestors were either crawling through a Welsh coal mine or farming kelp in a Highland croft. A few served as cavalry in places like Crimea, India and Africa but they were just rank and file not officers. I feel no shame and only a little bit of pity.

Direct benefits or indirect benefits, there are benefits nonetheless.

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Postby Doom Legions » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:01 am

People can be openly racist against whites and get praise for it, yet racism against any other race gets you torn to shreds by the mob.
Yet somehow white privilige still exists.

Ok.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:19 am

Doom Legions wrote:People can be openly racist against whites and get praise for it, yet racism against any other race gets you torn to shreds by the mob.
Yet somehow white privilige still exists.

Ok.

> "praise"?

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