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Postby Porotia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:52 am

Cited from this article

A British university defended one of its professors following a petition launched against her after she posted on social media that “white lives don’t matter.”

Priyamvada Gopal, a professor in colonial and postcolonial literature at Cambridge University, posted a series of tweets Tuesday saying “white lives don’t matter” and “abolish whiteness” and the backlash prompted the university to issue a statement that said that professors have the right to express their opinion


And on Twitter, Cambridge stated:
"The University defends the right of its academics to express their own lawful opinions which others might find controversial and deplores in the strongest terms abuse and personal attacks..."

Some online took issue with Cambridge’s decision, pointing out that it did not stand by intelligence researcher Noah Carl and Jordan Peterson when their affiliations with the university were canceled over controversial things they said.


Does anyone else find that the professor's opinion doesn't seem very lawful at all?

My apologies to the moderators if this isn't allowed here.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:57 am

I know nothing about British speech law.

Could the OP cite some statue which was violated?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:58 am

Somebody say a dumb thing on Twitter. Nobody pays any attention.
Cambridge professor says a dumb thing on Twitter!

It's not strong enough to call it illegal. I think the university should discipline her, though not actually fire her.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:00 am

You might need more of an OP, mate.

But anyway, the professor can go fuck herself and the university too for defending her.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:02 am

Kowani wrote:I know nothing about British speech law.

Could the OP cite some statue which was violated?


It’s more of a matter of hypocrisy I think. The university would’ve thrown her to the mobs if she dared say something mildly offensive to blacks or Arabs.

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Postby Ideal Britain » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:03 am

Porotia wrote:Cited from this article

A British university defended one of its professors following a petition launched against her after she posted on social media that “white lives don’t matter.”


And on Twitter, Cambridge stated:
"The University defends the right of its academics to express their own lawful opinions which others might find controversial and deplores in the strongest terms abuse and personal attacks..."


Does anyone else find that the professor's opinion doesn't seem very lawful at all?

My apologies to the moderators if this isn't allowed here.

Well hate speech against any race or religious group is illegal, so is homophobic abuse.
So this person should have been arrested as should "historians" who claimed slaves are "inherently docile" or that "the holocaust didn't happen" and "intellectuals" who claim Islam is sexist despite this being disputed by most experts on Islam.
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Postby Porotia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:04 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:You might need more of an OP, mate.

But anyway, the professor can go fuck herself and the university too for defending her.


I'm a bit confused at what you mean by OP. I'm the OP of this thread, but I don't think that's what you're referring to.

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:05 am

Porotia wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:You might need more of an OP, mate.

But anyway, the professor can go fuck herself and the university too for defending her.


I'm a bit confused at what you mean by OP. I'm the OP of this thread, but I don't think that's what you're referring to.


Opening post. You need to add more to it. Context, what you think of it, what to discuss, etc.

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Postby Porotia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:09 am

Ideal Britain wrote:Well hate speech against any race or religious group is illegal, so is homophobic abuse.
So this person should have been arrested as should "historians" who claimed slaves are "inherently docile" or that "the holocaust didn't happen" and "intellectuals" who claim Islam is sexist despite this being disputed by most experts on Islam.

Can completely agree. The holocaust part is a bit touchy for me due to being Jewish myself, but you didn't do any wrong by mentioning it.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Opening post. You need to add more to it. Context, what you think of it, what to discuss, etc.

I already did, right? I said:
Porotia wrote:"Does anyone else find that the professor's opinion doesn't seem very lawful at all?"

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:12 am

Porotia wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:Well hate speech against any race or religious group is illegal, so is homophobic abuse.
So this person should have been arrested as should "historians" who claimed slaves are "inherently docile" or that "the holocaust didn't happen" and "intellectuals" who claim Islam is sexist despite this being disputed by most experts on Islam.

Can completely agree. The holocaust part is a bit touchy for me due to being Jewish myself, but you didn't do any wrong by mentioning it.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Opening post. You need to add more to it. Context, what you think of it, what to discuss, etc.

I already did, right? I said:
Porotia wrote:"Does anyone else find that the professor's opinion doesn't seem very lawful at all?"


The moderators typically want you to add more.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:13 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Porotia wrote:Can completely agree. The holocaust part is a bit touchy for me due to being Jewish myself, but you didn't do any wrong by mentioning it.

I already did, right? I said:


The moderators typically want you to add more.


Just expanding the quotes from the source would probably do.
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Postby Porotia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:20 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Just expanding the quotes from the source would probably do.

Refresh your page. Did I do it right?

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Porotia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Just expanding the quotes from the source would probably do.

Refresh your page. Did I do it right?

That should be fine.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:25 am

I don't know about the Washington Examiner as a source, although the Guardian is echoing how the professor claims this was against the concept of race instead of the lives of people regarded as 'white'.

I'll just say here that I know how the Guardian is biased towards what we regard as 'liberal', or perhaps the somewhat different 'left' viewpoints.

If that's what she was aiming at, I can understand what she means, but she worded it in a really terrible way that has left me suspicious about the intent behind her post.
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Postby Servilis » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:27 am

Her opinion is quite valid.

When we say "White Lives Don't Matter" it's in response to a White Nationalist dog whistle that goes "White Lives Matter", yes, All Lives do in fact Matter, but "All Lives Matter" has become a White Nationalist Dog Whistle.


When we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean that Black people should be treated humanely, that goes for PoC to, as well as other minorities. And we do this because at the current rate, they are not treated equally.
The KKK is allowed to freely exist, and cannot be hunted down by their own government, which puts PoCs at risk. The Proud Boys and other White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist groups run freely, while a German anti-Fascist organization that disbanded at the end of WW2 is declared a Terrorist org.

Black people get bigger punishments than White people, FOR THE SAME CRIMES.
The Protests have turned to Riots because merely Protesting has done nothing.
It is in the U.S. Constitution which states that if the Leaders of the American Government have failed to ensure the American National Value that is Freedom, the people may revolt against it.
I'm of course paraphrasing here, but it does say something like that.

The American Law Enforcement System has become so corrupted and ideologically infested that a lot of White Nationalists become Cops merely to subtly create an Ethnostate.

A lot of people often deflect at such arguments with "if Black people don't want to be arrested and jailed so much, then they should stop committing crimes"

The thing is, Black people often get framed, evidence is sometimes planted (i.e. cops planting the weed), and often petty crimes lead to the Cop killing the suspect, which they cannot kill the Suspect unless given an authorization to, but this is only in rare cases. I also mentioned earlier in this reply that Black people get charged more for the same crimes as White people.

3 notable examples often come to mind when you think of justifications for BLM riots.
1. Freddie Gray, a Black man from Baltimore who grew up in a red-lined house and suffered from Lead Poisoning, he was also targeted by predatory contract dealers and such who often go after gullible folk to extract them of their compensation agreements. In 2016, Freddie Gray was arrested for carrying a spring-assisted knife, the Cops made several stops and along the way they just carelessly dragged his body into the vehicles. Freddie died 2 weeks later of neck injuries. The Cops have still not been arrested to this day. When he died, Baltimore erupted into chaos. If you go to videos of those riots, you will often find people in the comments making extremely racist and sadistic remarks, referring to Black people as "savages" and such.

2. Breonna Taylor, a Black woman who was an emergency medical technician, was sleeping in her own home on the 13th of March, this year, when three Cops stormed in with a no-knock search warrant and shot her. Let me repeat that, she was asleep.

3. George Floyd, (which was the last straw), who was carrying a counterfeit $20 bill, was killed by Derek Chauvin, one of the Cops arresting him, Derek applied pressure to his neck and George exclaimed he could not breathe. He then died some few minutes later.

These are notable recent examples, and the list goes on and on if you search for less notable examples, all examples of Police Brutality.


The Professor's statements are justified, we're not saying White people as a whole do not matter, when we say "White Lives Don't Matter" we mean that White people are not in as much danger as Black people.

Police Brutality and White Nationalism is the literal reason why a lot of People of Colour in the United States often get startled or anxious whenever a Cop car goes near them, even if they haven't ever committed a crime.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:31 am

Porotia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Just expanding the quotes from the source would probably do.

Refresh your page. Did I do it right?

You need to expand on it; I'm not sure if just asking the question would cut it.


I'm sure that by now there's going to be complaining of "HyPoCrIsY" any moment.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:32 am

Servilis wrote:Her opinion is quite valid.

When we say "White Lives Don't Matter" it's in response to a White Nationalist dog whistle that goes "White Lives Matter", yes, All Lives do in fact Matter, but "All Lives Matter" has become a White Nationalist Dog Whistle.


When we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean that Black people should be treated humanely, that goes for PoC to, as well as other minorities. And we do this because at the current rate, they are not treated equally.
The KKK is allowed to freely exist, and cannot be hunted down by their own government, which puts PoCs at risk. The Proud Boys and other White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist groups run freely, while a German anti-Fascist organization that disbanded at the end of WW2 is declared a Terrorist org.

Black people get bigger punishments than White people, FOR THE SAME CRIMES.
The Protests have turned to Riots because merely Protesting has done nothing.
It is in the U.S. Constitution which states that if the Leaders of the American Government have failed to ensure the American National Value that is Freedom, the people may revolt against it.
I'm of course paraphrasing here, but it does say something like that.

The American Law Enforcement System has become so corrupted and ideologically infested that a lot of White Nationalists become Cops merely to subtly create an Ethnostate.

A lot of people often deflect at such arguments with "if Black people don't want to be arrested and jailed so much, then they should stop committing crimes"

The thing is, Black people often get framed, evidence is sometimes planted (i.e. cops planting the weed), and often petty crimes lead to the Cop killing the suspect, which they cannot kill the Suspect unless given an authorization to, but this is only in rare cases. I also mentioned earlier in this reply that Black people get charged more for the same crimes as White people.

3 notable examples often come to mind when you think of justifications for BLM riots.
1. Freddie Gray, a Black man from Baltimore who grew up in a red-lined house and suffered from Lead Poisoning, he was also targeted by predatory contract dealers and such who often go after gullible folk to extract them of their compensation agreements. In 2016, Freddie Gray was arrested for carrying a spring-assisted knife, the Cops made several stops and along the way they just carelessly dragged his body into the vehicles. Freddie died 2 weeks later of neck injuries. The Cops have still not been arrested to this day. When he died, Baltimore erupted into chaos. If you go to videos of those riots, you will often find people in the comments making extremely racist and sadistic remarks, referring to Black people as "savages" and such.

2. Breonna Taylor, a Black woman who was an emergency medical technician, was sleeping in her own home on the 13th of March, this year, when three Cops stormed in with a no-knock search warrant and shot her. Let me repeat that, she was asleep.

3. George Floyd, (which was the last straw), who was carrying a counterfeit $20 bill, was killed by Derek Chauvin, one of the Cops arresting him, Derek applied pressure to his neck and George exclaimed he could not breathe. He then died some few minutes later.

These are notable recent examples, and the list goes on and on if you search for less notable examples, all examples of Police Brutality.


The Professor's statements are justified, we're not saying White people as a whole do not matter, when we say "White Lives Don't Matter" we mean that White people are not in as much danger as Black people.

Police Brutality and White Nationalism is the literal reason why a lot of People of Colour in the United States often get startled or anxious whenever a Cop car goes near them, even if they haven't ever committed a crime.

Saying "White Lives Don't Matter" in any context will alienate potential allies, provide enemies with free propaganda to use as ammunition, and attract individuals with some nasty opinions against whites.
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Stellar Colonies / the Confederation of Human Systems is a confederation which loosely unites a third of the Milky Way galaxy.

The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

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Postby Servilis » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:34 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Servilis wrote:Her opinion is quite valid.

When we say "White Lives Don't Matter" it's in response to a White Nationalist dog whistle that goes "White Lives Matter", yes, All Lives do in fact Matter, but "All Lives Matter" has become a White Nationalist Dog Whistle.


When we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean that Black people should be treated humanely, that goes for PoC to, as well as other minorities. And we do this because at the current rate, they are not treated equally.
The KKK is allowed to freely exist, and cannot be hunted down by their own government, which puts PoCs at risk. The Proud Boys and other White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist groups run freely, while a German anti-Fascist organization that disbanded at the end of WW2 is declared a Terrorist org.

Black people get bigger punishments than White people, FOR THE SAME CRIMES.
The Protests have turned to Riots because merely Protesting has done nothing.
It is in the U.S. Constitution which states that if the Leaders of the American Government have failed to ensure the American National Value that is Freedom, the people may revolt against it.
I'm of course paraphrasing here, but it does say something like that.

The American Law Enforcement System has become so corrupted and ideologically infested that a lot of White Nationalists become Cops merely to subtly create an Ethnostate.

A lot of people often deflect at such arguments with "if Black people don't want to be arrested and jailed so much, then they should stop committing crimes"

The thing is, Black people often get framed, evidence is sometimes planted (i.e. cops planting the weed), and often petty crimes lead to the Cop killing the suspect, which they cannot kill the Suspect unless given an authorization to, but this is only in rare cases. I also mentioned earlier in this reply that Black people get charged more for the same crimes as White people.

3 notable examples often come to mind when you think of justifications for BLM riots.
1. Freddie Gray, a Black man from Baltimore who grew up in a red-lined house and suffered from Lead Poisoning, he was also targeted by predatory contract dealers and such who often go after gullible folk to extract them of their compensation agreements. In 2016, Freddie Gray was arrested for carrying a spring-assisted knife, the Cops made several stops and along the way they just carelessly dragged his body into the vehicles. Freddie died 2 weeks later of neck injuries. The Cops have still not been arrested to this day. When he died, Baltimore erupted into chaos. If you go to videos of those riots, you will often find people in the comments making extremely racist and sadistic remarks, referring to Black people as "savages" and such.

2. Breonna Taylor, a Black woman who was an emergency medical technician, was sleeping in her own home on the 13th of March, this year, when three Cops stormed in with a no-knock search warrant and shot her. Let me repeat that, she was asleep.

3. George Floyd, (which was the last straw), who was carrying a counterfeit $20 bill, was killed by Derek Chauvin, one of the Cops arresting him, Derek applied pressure to his neck and George exclaimed he could not breathe. He then died some few minutes later.

These are notable recent examples, and the list goes on and on if you search for less notable examples, all examples of Police Brutality.


The Professor's statements are justified, we're not saying White people as a whole do not matter, when we say "White Lives Don't Matter" we mean that White people are not in as much danger as Black people.

Police Brutality and White Nationalism is the literal reason why a lot of People of Colour in the United States often get startled or anxious whenever a Cop car goes near them, even if they haven't ever committed a crime.

Saying "White Lives Don't Matter" in any context will alienate potential allies, provide enemies with free propaganda to use as ammunition, and attract individuals with some nasty opinions against whites.


There are more concerning things than less potential allies to your cause.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:37 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Servilis wrote:Her opinion is quite valid.

When we say "White Lives Don't Matter" it's in response to a White Nationalist dog whistle that goes "White Lives Matter", yes, All Lives do in fact Matter, but "All Lives Matter" has become a White Nationalist Dog Whistle.


When we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean that Black people should be treated humanely, that goes for PoC to, as well as other minorities. And we do this because at the current rate, they are not treated equally.
The KKK is allowed to freely exist, and cannot be hunted down by their own government, which puts PoCs at risk. The Proud Boys and other White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist groups run freely, while a German anti-Fascist organization that disbanded at the end of WW2 is declared a Terrorist org.

Black people get bigger punishments than White people, FOR THE SAME CRIMES.
The Protests have turned to Riots because merely Protesting has done nothing.
It is in the U.S. Constitution which states that if the Leaders of the American Government have failed to ensure the American National Value that is Freedom, the people may revolt against it.
I'm of course paraphrasing here, but it does say something like that.

The American Law Enforcement System has become so corrupted and ideologically infested that a lot of White Nationalists become Cops merely to subtly create an Ethnostate.

A lot of people often deflect at such arguments with "if Black people don't want to be arrested and jailed so much, then they should stop committing crimes"

The thing is, Black people often get framed, evidence is sometimes planted (i.e. cops planting the weed), and often petty crimes lead to the Cop killing the suspect, which they cannot kill the Suspect unless given an authorization to, but this is only in rare cases. I also mentioned earlier in this reply that Black people get charged more for the same crimes as White people.

3 notable examples often come to mind when you think of justifications for BLM riots.
1. Freddie Gray, a Black man from Baltimore who grew up in a red-lined house and suffered from Lead Poisoning, he was also targeted by predatory contract dealers and such who often go after gullible folk to extract them of their compensation agreements. In 2016, Freddie Gray was arrested for carrying a spring-assisted knife, the Cops made several stops and along the way they just carelessly dragged his body into the vehicles. Freddie died 2 weeks later of neck injuries. The Cops have still not been arrested to this day. When he died, Baltimore erupted into chaos. If you go to videos of those riots, you will often find people in the comments making extremely racist and sadistic remarks, referring to Black people as "savages" and such.

2. Breonna Taylor, a Black woman who was an emergency medical technician, was sleeping in her own home on the 13th of March, this year, when three Cops stormed in with a no-knock search warrant and shot her. Let me repeat that, she was asleep.

3. George Floyd, (which was the last straw), who was carrying a counterfeit $20 bill, was killed by Derek Chauvin, one of the Cops arresting him, Derek applied pressure to his neck and George exclaimed he could not breathe. He then died some few minutes later.

These are notable recent examples, and the list goes on and on if you search for less notable examples, all examples of Police Brutality.


The Professor's statements are justified, we're not saying White people as a whole do not matter, when we say "White Lives Don't Matter" we mean that White people are not in as much danger as Black people.

Police Brutality and White Nationalism is the literal reason why a lot of People of Colour in the United States often get startled or anxious whenever a Cop car goes near them, even if they haven't ever committed a crime.

Saying "White Lives Don't Matter" in any context will alienate potential allies, provide enemies with free propaganda to use as ammunition, and attract individuals with some nasty opinions against whites.
Bold of you to assume that that hasn't happened yet.
Servilis wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:

Saying "White Lives Don't Matter" in any context will alienate potential allies, provide enemies with free propaganda to use as ammunition, and attract individuals with some nasty opinions against whites.


There are more concerning things than less potential allies to your cause.
The thing is; less allies may result in less support.

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:43 am

Servilis wrote:Her opinion is quite valid.

When we say "White Lives Don't Matter" it's in response to a White Nationalist dog whistle that goes "White Lives Matter", yes, All Lives do in fact Matter, but "All Lives Matter" has become a White Nationalist Dog Whistle.


When we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean that Black people should be treated humanely, that goes for PoC to, as well as other minorities. And we do this because at the current rate, they are not treated equally.
The KKK is allowed to freely exist, and cannot be hunted down by their own government, which puts PoCs at risk. The Proud Boys and other White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist groups run freely, while a German anti-Fascist organization that disbanded at the end of WW2 is declared a Terrorist org.

Black people get bigger punishments than White people, FOR THE SAME CRIMES.
The Protests have turned to Riots because merely Protesting has done nothing.
It is in the U.S. Constitution which states that if the Leaders of the American Government have failed to ensure the American National Value that is Freedom, the people may revolt against it.
I'm of course paraphrasing here, but it does say something like that.

The American Law Enforcement System has become so corrupted and ideologically infested that a lot of White Nationalists become Cops merely to subtly create an Ethnostate.

A lot of people often deflect at such arguments with "if Black people don't want to be arrested and jailed so much, then they should stop committing crimes"

The thing is, Black people often get framed, evidence is sometimes planted (i.e. cops planting the weed), and often petty crimes lead to the Cop killing the suspect, which they cannot kill the Suspect unless given an authorization to, but this is only in rare cases. I also mentioned earlier in this reply that Black people get charged more for the same crimes as White people.

3 notable examples often come to mind when you think of justifications for BLM riots.
1. Freddie Gray, a Black man from Baltimore who grew up in a red-lined house and suffered from Lead Poisoning, he was also targeted by predatory contract dealers and such who often go after gullible folk to extract them of their compensation agreements. In 2016, Freddie Gray was arrested for carrying a spring-assisted knife, the Cops made several stops and along the way they just carelessly dragged his body into the vehicles. Freddie died 2 weeks later of neck injuries. The Cops have still not been arrested to this day. When he died, Baltimore erupted into chaos. If you go to videos of those riots, you will often find people in the comments making extremely racist and sadistic remarks, referring to Black people as "savages" and such.

2. Breonna Taylor, a Black woman who was an emergency medical technician, was sleeping in her own home on the 13th of March, this year, when three Cops stormed in with a no-knock search warrant and shot her. Let me repeat that, she was asleep.

3. George Floyd, (which was the last straw), who was carrying a counterfeit $20 bill, was killed by Derek Chauvin, one of the Cops arresting him, Derek applied pressure to his neck and George exclaimed he could not breathe. He then died some few minutes later.

These are notable recent examples, and the list goes on and on if you search for less notable examples, all examples of Police Brutality.


The Professor's statements are justified, we're not saying White people as a whole do not matter, when we say "White Lives Don't Matter" we mean that White people are not in as much danger as Black people.

Police Brutality and White Nationalism is the literal reason why a lot of People of Colour in the United States often get startled or anxious whenever a Cop car goes near them, even if they haven't ever committed a crime.


If that’s the case then it needs to be reworded because the wording only leads me to believe her outright denying the fact that the lives of European-descended peoples do not matter as much as that of African-descended persons if at all.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:44 am

In the slogan "Black Lives Matter" is implied "...as much as any lives".

And if you apply the same to "All Lives Matter" you get: "All lives matter as much as any lives"

But let's apply it to this. "White lives don't matter as much as other lives"

Nuh: racist and offensive.

Can we infer a different implication? "White lives don't matter any more than other lives"

It's a bit far fetched. I think the professor said something offensive and wrong.
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Postby Porotia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:50 am

Servilis wrote:Her opinion is quite valid.

When we say "White Lives Don't Matter" it's in response to a White Nationalist dog whistle that goes "White Lives Matter", yes, All Lives do in fact Matter, but "All Lives Matter" has become a White Nationalist Dog Whistle.


When we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean that Black people should be treated humanely, that goes for PoC to, as well as other minorities. And we do this because at the current rate, they are not treated equally.
The KKK is allowed to freely exist, and cannot be hunted down by their own government, which puts PoCs at risk. The Proud Boys and other White Nationalist Domestic Terrorist groups run freely, while a German anti-Fascist organization that disbanded at the end of WW2 is declared a Terrorist org.

Black people get bigger punishments than White people, FOR THE SAME CRIMES.
The Protests have turned to Riots because merely Protesting has done nothing.
It is in the U.S. Constitution which states that if the Leaders of the American Government have failed to ensure the American National Value that is Freedom, the people may revolt against it.
I'm of course paraphrasing here, but it does say something like that.

The American Law Enforcement System has become so corrupted and ideologically infested that a lot of White Nationalists become Cops merely to subtly create an Ethnostate.

A lot of people often deflect at such arguments with "if Black people don't want to be arrested and jailed so much, then they should stop committing crimes"

The thing is, Black people often get framed, evidence is sometimes planted (i.e. cops planting the weed), and often petty crimes lead to the Cop killing the suspect, which they cannot kill the Suspect unless given an authorization to, but this is only in rare cases. I also mentioned earlier in this reply that Black people get charged more for the same crimes as White people.


If you're saying that it's a response to 'white nationalist dog whistles', it's not a very good response. Not every white person is a white nationalist. If you're saying that White lives don't matter, then I'd say that it's highly hypocritical, as you're trying to defend an entire demographic yet condemning another.

P.S. Just wanted to let you know that I never brought up police at all. Keep police-related and BLM-related replies out of this thread or I'll report them as attempts to derail. I also shortened your quote as it would take up a LOT of space that other people's messages could fit into.
Also, if protesting isn't working, maybe you should send out a large-scale, nationwide petition messaged to the United States government instead of starting riots that result in burning and looting locally-owned stores.

A bit of advice from me is to not refer to a person of color as 'PoC', as that is also a shortened version of Piece of Crap. Just letting you know.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:56 am

Porotia wrote:If you're saying that it's a response to 'white nationalist dog whistles', it's not a very good response. Not every white person is a white nationalist. If you're saying that White lives don't matter, then I'd say that it's highly hypocritical, as you're trying to defend an entire demographic yet condemning another.


"White lives matter" is a phrase with a (somewhat) hidden meaning, used by White Nationalists to communicate something to other WN's while speaking openly.

You could validly object that it's not really a dog-whistle. Because it is "audible" to anyone: the meaning isn't well hidden.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:58 am

It's a very stupid and quite racist thing to have said and the university shouldn't have defended it.

Unlikely to be anything that would come of it. It could be read as incitement to racial hatred which would mean there'd be reasonable grounds for a police investigation in the UK, though it's probably not clear cut enough for anything to come out of it. In terms of the institution they'd have been allowed to have fired the professor because opinions aren't protected characteristics and employers are entitled to fire people who they see as bringing their organisation into disrepute, but they've chosen not to.

Saying something bad about another group would likely have resulted in a firing and a criminal investigation but in the current moment whites are seen as "fair game" because privilege or something. Both employers and the law over here tend to make decisions on the basis of whether something would outrage a "reasonable person" who is obviously a normie who agrees with current discourse so it's a test that's obviously based on the contemporary social norms rather than treating insults against all groups the same.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:08 am

She also started threatening to sue people and mentioning her powerful connections to politicians and so on if they don't stop "libeling" her about this, which makes it look even worse.

I think both of the statements qualify as racism and hate speech, but the clearer case can be made for "Abolish whiteness". If a professor went around demanding we "Abolish Islam" and "Tear down mosques" while using the same kind of garbage rationalizations anti-white racists do, they'd be viewed as islamophobic.

(White Nationalism/Supremacy = Islamism. This seems uncontroversial.

Then you just have to do the same paranoid and racist justifications anti-white racists do and start claiming that any tenet of whiteness ultimately feeds into white supremacy and needs to be abolished. So, Whiteness = Islam, and that means if you mention anything Islamic you should be fired and we need to deface Islamic art and monuments and so on.).
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