Why you should eat Biblical apple

[Geneviev]

They tried to become like gods, and that was their sin. That was why they could not stay in the garden. And they knew enough to want to avoid death, so I think they understood it.

And god admitted that by eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge they actually had become like gods (exactly like the snake told them they would), and kicked them out so they did not become truly immortal and so complete the process.
The only reason humans in that story died is because god did not allow them to eat the fruit of the tree of life. I wonder what would have happened if they ate that first and then from the tree of knowledge.
There is no evidence that they knew enough to want to avoid it.

God said that they had tried to become like gods and wanted to prevent them from committing the same sin again. They died because of their sin causing them to leave the garden. Eve said to the serpent that she would die if she ate the fruit, so she did want to avoid death.

Trying to become like a god is a sin. It's the opposite of humility and it's idolatry.

The point was the snake did not lie. And since Adam and Eve did not know good from evil, they had no way to know that trying to become like a god is an evil thing

The snake did lie. Both Adam and Eve sinned and died as a result of eating the fruit.

[Neutraligon]

"There is no evidence that they knew enough to want to avoid it."

Notice God never telling Eve that you are not allowed to touch it, yet Eve added extra words to God's instructions. Eve's IQ is probably higher than Albert Einstein's, so she knows exactly what the repercussions would be - something really bad.

God never told Eve anything.

[Nevertopia]

I think we're all missing the point here. Fruits are an important part of your diet.

[The Imperial Magocracy of Galazkaban]

God said that they had tried to become like gods and wanted to prevent them from committing the same sin again.

If being like a god is a sin, then Yahweh must be a sinner. If you sin, you become more like god. Therefore, sinning is holy.

[Neutraligon]

And god admitted that by eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge they actually had become like gods (exactly like the snake told them they would), and kicked them out so they did not become truly immortal and so complete the process.
The only reason humans in that story died is because god did not allow them to eat the fruit of the tree of life. I wonder what would have happened if they ate that first and then from the tree of knowledge.
There is no evidence that they knew enough to want to avoid it.

God said that they had tried to become like gods

No he said that they had become like gods

and wanted to prevent them from committing the same sin again.

God never said that the sin was lack of humility, you are saying something the text does not say

They died because of their sin causing them to leave the garden.

Which was not what was implied, what was implied is that the fruit would kill them, not god taking action against them. Once again God lied, and the snake told the truth, eating the fruit did not kill them, god did.

Eve said to the serpent that she would die if she ate the fruit, so she did want to avoid death.

No Eve told the serpent what god told her, that does not mean she wanted to avoid death.

The point was the snake did not lie. And since Adam and Eve did not know good from evil, they had no way to know that trying to become like a god is an evil thing

The snake did lie. Both Adam and Eve sinned and died as a result of eating the fruit.

No the died as a result of god throwing them out of the garden because he as scared they would become gods themselves if they ate from the truth of life. The fruit itself did nothing.

[Nevertopia]

God said that they had tried to become like gods and wanted to prevent them from committing the same sin again.

If being like a god is a sin, then Yahweh must be a sinner. If you sin, you become more like god. Therefore, sinning is holy.

idk man, if someone told me to not do something because it was a bad idea, Id listen to them.

[Neutraligon]

If being like a god is a sin, then Yahweh must be a sinner. If you sin, you become more like god. Therefore, sinning is holy.

idk man, if someone told me to not do something because it was a bad idea, Id listen to them.

It is a bad idea to eat, would you listen to me?

[Nevertopia]

idk man, if someone told me to not do something because it was a bad idea, Id listen to them.

It is a bad idea to eat.

My common sense tells me you're being facetious.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Honestly I prefer pears.

[Neutraligon]

It is a bad idea to eat.

My common sense tells me you're being facetious.

So you would not listen just because someone told you. Maybe that is because you have some knowledge. Adam and Eve did not have that. There was no way for them to know they should listen to god and should not listen to the snake since they did not have the knowledge of good and evil.

[Elsa De Arendelle]

God was not afraid they would become gods. God was afraid He would have to send them to hell forever as if they ate the fruit of life, they would be immortal = equal to angels. If you are equal to angels, there is no forgiveness if you sin. Adam and Eve would have to be thrown into the lake of fire with the fallen angels. But as God loved Adam and Eve and mankind so much, He sacrificed His Word (His Son) for them, and Adam and Eve believed. They were the first Christians.

[Geneviev]

God said that they had tried to become like gods

No he said that they had become like gods

and wanted to prevent them from committing the same sin again.

God never said that the sin was lack of humility, you are saying something the text does not say

They died because of their sin causing them to leave the garden.

Which was not what was implied, what was implied is that the fruit would kill them, not god taking action against them. Once again God lied, and the snake told the truth, eating the fruit did not kill them, god did.

Eve said to the serpent that she would die if she ate the fruit, so she did want to avoid death.

No Eve told the serpent what god told her, that does not mean she wanted to avoid death.

The snake did lie. Both Adam and Eve sinned and died as a result of eating the fruit.

No the died as a result of god throwing them out of the garden because he as scared they would become gods themselves if they ate from the truth of life. The fruit itself did nothing.

Technically, the fruit and God both did not kill them, the presence of sin in the world did. But that was caused by eating the fruit, so the fruit killed them indirectly.

[Neutraligon]

God was not afraid they would become gods. God was afraid He would have to send them to hell forever as if they ate the fruit of life, they would be immortal = equal to angels. If you are equal to angels, there is no forgiveness if you sin. Adam and Eve would have to be thrown into the lake of fire with the fallen angels. But as God loved Adam and Eve and mankind so much, He sacrificed His Word (His Son) for them, and Adam and Eve believed. They were the first Christians.

Hell did not exist when the story originally came about. Also, the torah says you are wrong, as I linked earlier.

[Neutraligon]

No he said that they had become like gods God never said that the sin was lack of humility, you are saying something the text does not say Which was not what was implied, what was implied is that the fruit would kill them, not god taking action against them. Once again God lied, and the snake told the truth, eating the fruit did not kill them, god did.No Eve told the serpent what god told her, that does not mean she wanted to avoid death.

No the died as a result of god throwing them out of the garden because he as scared they would become gods themselves if they ate from the truth of life. The fruit itself did nothing.

Technically, the fruit and God both did not kill them, the presence of sin in the world did. But that was caused by eating the fruit, so the fruit killed them indirectly.

Nope, what killed them was god sending them out of the garden because he was scared they would become immortal by eating the fruit of life. The fruit did nothing, god's actions are what killed them, just like if I sent my children out to play in the yard, told them not to play in the street, and then when my kids played in the street, I sent them out to play in the highway. My actions killed the kids.

As a note, original sin does not exist in Judaism.

[Nevertopia]

My common sense tells me you're being facetious.

So you would not listen just because someone told you. Maybe that is because you have some knowledge. Adam and Eve did not have that.

Fair enough.

[Elsa De Arendelle]

Cunning =/= smart/intelligent. Anyone can be cunning. You just have to have no conscience nor regard for other people, be willing to lie/cheat/steal and you will be cunning easily. Adam and Eve were both extremely intelligent engineers. Their problem was their naivety. There are plenty of examples of this in real life of gifted people who are honest to a fault. They slowly have to learn about deception from interactions with vile people as they grow up.

[Bombadil]

I'd personally have more respect for a Christian who said 'you know what, it's a creation story, frankly we've no idea how or why god created this earth but I feel his presence and love and therefore I worship him'.

Defending this clear nonsense just amplifies the idea that it's just blind belief with made up justifications.

[Neutraligon]

Cunning =/= smart/intelligent. Anyone can be cunning. You just have to have no conscience nor regard for other people, be willing to lie/cheat/steal and you will be cunning easily. Adam and Eve were both extremely intelligent engineers. Their problem was their naivety. There are plenty of examples of this in real life of gifted people who are honest to a fault. They slowly have to learn about deception from interactions with vile people as they grow up.

Evidence of any of this in the bible...0

[Nevertopia]

I'd personally have more respect for a Christian who said 'you know what, it's a creation story, frankly we've no idea how or why god created this earth but I feel his presence and love and therefore I worship him'.

Defending this clear nonsense just amplifies the idea that it's just blind belief with made up justifications.

Well I did concede the point to Batman that Adam and Eve were pretty gullible for A: not listening to the big man and B: listening to a literal talking snake. Modern thinking would say those were relatively bad choices though they didnt have that luxury.

[Cruciland]

Considering God authored everything, we can presume He already knew that Man would fail to obey His commandments. The Biblical apple is as much an admonishment against naivety and ignorance as it is about disobedience, consequently. Man cannot be expected to follow God unless if they understand why, which is why Man is stuck in this postlapsarian odyssey- we have been taken out of a near-amniotic state of awareness and forced to develop. Not all of us "man-children" will survive to adulthood, but the ones that do will be much more pleasing to God.

So all in all, it's not a matter of if one wants to eat the apple. It must be eaten.

[Salandriagado]

Adam and Eve were not children though. They were grown adults, and had no belly button. They had access to all the knowledge and wisdom of God. It's similar to people who are addicted to drugs have all the wisdom and knowledge of the ills of drugs but still continue to take them. It is willful sin.

Any moral code that decries gaining knowledge as a sin is irretrievably flawed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

God was not afraid they would become gods. God was afraid He would have to send them to hell forever as if they ate the fruit of life, they would be immortal = equal to angels. If you are equal to angels, there is no forgiveness if you sin. Adam and Eve would have to be thrown into the lake of fire with the fallen angels. But as God loved Adam and Eve and mankind so much, He sacrificed His Word (His Son) for them, and Adam and Eve believed. They were the first Christians.

Hell did not exist when the story originally came about. Also, the torah says you are wrong, as I linked earlier.

Tbf the Torah says a lot of things that conflict massively with Christianity. If that hasn't changed many minds in 2k years I doubt it'll start now.

[Neutraligon]

I'd personally have more respect for a Christian who said 'you know what, it's a creation story, frankly we've no idea how or why god created this earth but I feel his presence and love and therefore I worship him'.

Defending this clear nonsense just amplifies the idea that it's just blind belief with made up justifications.

Well I did concede the point to Batman that Adam and Eve were pretty gullible for A: not listening to the big man and B: listening to a literal talking snake. Modern thinking would say those were relatively bad choices though they didnt have that luxury.

Rather then gullible, I would say naive. They had no knowledge of good and evil, and so could not know they should listen to god and shouldn't listen to the snake.

[Nevertopia]

Considering God authored everything, we can presume He already knew that Man would fail to obey His commandments. The Biblical apple is as much an admonishment against naivety and ignorance as it is about disobedience, consequently. Man cannot be expected to follow God unless if they understand why, which is why Man is stuck in this postlapsarian odyssey- we have been taken out of a near-amniotic state of awareness and forced to develop. Not all of us "man-children" will survive to adulthood, but the ones that do will be much more pleasing to God.

So all in all, it's not a matter of if one wants to eat the apple. It must be eaten.

that kinda leads to the question, what if a time traveller went back to the biblical story of creation and stopped Adam and Eve from eating the apple?

[Neutraligon]

Considering God authored everything, we can presume He already knew that Man would fail to obey His commandments. The Biblical apple is as much an admonishment against naivety and ignorance as it is about disobedience, consequently. Man cannot be expected to follow God unless if they understand why, which is why Man is stuck in this postlapsarian odyssey- we have been taken out of a near-amniotic state of awareness and forced to develop. Not all of us "man-children" will survive to adulthood, but the ones that do will be much more pleasing to God.

So all in all, it's not a matter of if one wants to eat the apple. It must be eaten.

that kinda leads to the question, what if a time traveller went back to the biblical story of creation and stopped Adam and Eve from eating the apple?

Or told them to eat from the tree of life first.