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do you eat biblical apple

yes, come to know yourself through the knowledge of good and evil
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no - stay in paradise as a dumb brute
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no because old middle eastern god say no
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:47 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
La xinga wrote:That Zeus-like image makes it look like God is mortal.

Without faith God is nothing, because memetic constructs fade away when they are not continuously shared.

Not really, that matters if the-so-and-so person believes God exists.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:06 am

Nuroblav wrote:
Region of Dwipantara wrote:I don't know much about the biblical heaven, so I can't really comment. Islam's heaven meanwhile are pretty graphic and detailed on its descriptions, from fresh fruits to hordes of hot virgins and green pillows and rivers of alcohol and whatnot. So you're basically stuck with those lavish hedonistic pleasures for thousands of years, and then trillions of years, and then non-stop until eternity.

While I myself am not Christian I have been taught quite a bit about religion. As far as I know heaven in Christianity is basically just being in the presence of God, not as such a physical place rather than a spiritual state, Hell simply just being the same but without God.

Mind you, it's more ignorance and immortality on earth that seems more boring. It'll be eternal in the afterlife (whatever it is) anyway.

That is actually more jewish than xtian. Though jews are not that dogmatic about an afterlife
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Postby Katganistan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:55 am

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:Is taste worth more than living forever?

Eat from the tree of life first.

Which they had not been prohibited from eating.

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Postby Arkhane » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:17 am

I think the moral of the Eden story isn't that desiring knowledge is bad. It's taking responsibility for your actions.

If anything, Eden seems like a divine experiment for testing the quirks of mortal man. The tree of knowledge was their first test. If they obeyed and remained faithful by staying clear of the tree, then they have already shown wisdom and God would reward their faithfulness. If they gave in and partook of the fruit, then it is still not lost, for it heralds the second test: how they will utilize the knowledge they acquired.

God already knew what happened and who is responsible. He had hoped that since Adam and Eve had went on ahead and partaken of the knowledge of what is good and evil, they would use it to figure out that the best way to deal with an omniscient being is to come clean. If they only came forward and took responsibility for their actions, God would have forgiven them and continued their education.

No doubt God intended to impart knowledge in a gradual process, to slowly develop their awareness, but since they're still too innocent and young, they had trouble dealing with the newfound knowledge of realizing what they did.

They started pointing fingers, and since the first thing they did with their knowledge is to lie, they were cursed and since they chose to take matters into their own hands, they were casted out to learn things on their own, the hard way.

Knowledge is a powerful thing, but if it is forced on people, or not applied correctly, it can be harmful.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:54 pm

Arkhane wrote:Knowledge is a powerful thing, but if it is forced on people, or not applied correctly, it can be harmful.

Ignorance ain't exactly harmless either.


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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:56 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Arkhane wrote:Knowledge is a powerful thing, but if it is forced on people, or not applied correctly, it can be harmful.

Ignorance ain't exactly harmless either.

Especially on NS stats.
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Postby Deacarsia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:01 pm

“But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.” (Genesis 2:17)
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:04 pm

Deacarsia wrote:“But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.” (Genesis 2:17)

This is a strange OP post. People don't usually state their opinion in the OP post, and the poll seems VERY biased, don't you think :?:
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:07 pm

Deacarsia wrote:“But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.” (Genesis 2:17)

Fun fact: it was absolutely unnecessary for the Tree of Knowledge to be included in the garden of Eden, for it was a perfectly good garden without said tree. Yet God just planted that bad boy in Eden with unholy dedication. Makes you think, doesn't it?

It would be worse if it actually happened, but given how it's a mythological tale, that fortunately isn't the case.


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Postby Nevertopia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:09 pm

La xinga wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:“But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.” (Genesis 2:17)

This is a strange OP post. People don't usually state their opinion in the OP post, and the poll seems VERY biased, don't you think :?:


i agree. Regardless of how unfair or fair Adam and Eve's ejection was, we have the privilege of knowing how much of a bad idea is eating from that tree and knowledge of that could be used to not make the same mistake. But I guess that makes us dumb or ignorant according to the poll. :shrug:
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:11 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:“But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat: for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.” (Genesis 2:17)

Fun fact: it was absolutely unnecessary for the Tree of Knowledge to be included in the garden of Eden, for it was a perfectly good garden without said tree. Yet God just planted that bad boy in Eden with unholy dedication. Makes you think, doesn't it?

It would be worse if it actually happened, but given how it's a mythological tale, that fortunately isn't the case.

Put the tree of knowledge somewhere else, you know where adam couldn't get to it, in ohio perhaps. The whole story reeks of bad planning. I am generally on the side of people are responsible for their own actions, but this whole thing does look like a set up to me.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:12 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The humans brought them there and provided food. They return because they keep getting food

I'm not sure if we're reading the same thing.
I looked into the video linked in the article, she is feeding the deer.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:I'm not sure if we're reading the same thing.
I looked into the video linked in the article, she is feeding the deer.

The one looking at the window?
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Postby Nevertopia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:I'm not sure if we're reading the same thing.
I looked into the video linked in the article, she is feeding the deer.

So does that mean deers can eat from the tree but humans cant? whats the biblical message here? I dont get it.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:13 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote: I looked into the video linked in the article, she is feeding the deer.

The one looking at the window?

Yes.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:15 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote: I looked into the video linked in the article, she is feeding the deer.

So does that mean deers can eat from the tree but humans cant? whats the biblical message here? I dont get it.

Deer don't have to follow the rules.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:16 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote: I looked into the video linked in the article, she is feeding the deer.

So does that mean deers can eat from the tree but humans cant? whats the biblical message here? I dont get it.

God is a dick.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:19 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:The one looking at the window?

Yes.

The deer was saved from hunters. Now it sits at the house window patiently and waits for food, yet it was saved with no connection with food.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:21 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Yes.

The deer was saved from hunters. Now it sits at the house window patiently and waits for food, yet it was saved with no connection with food.

It was given food when it was saved. It keeps returning because of that. No gratitude needed.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:The deer was saved from hunters. Now it sits at the house window patiently and waits for food, yet it was saved with no connection with food.

It was given food when it was saved. It keeps returning because of that. No gratitude needed.

I tihnk being saved is more important than getting given food.
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Postby Deacarsia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:25 pm

La xinga wrote:This is a strange OP post. People don't usually state their opinion in the OP post, and the poll seems VERY biased, don't you think :?:

Indeed, it is.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:25 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Fun fact: it was absolutely unnecessary for the Tree of Knowledge to be included in the garden of Eden, for it was a perfectly good garden without said tree. Yet God just planted that bad boy in Eden with unholy dedication. Makes you think, doesn't it?

It would be worse if it actually happened, but given how it's a mythological tale, that fortunately isn't the case.

Put the tree of knowledge somewhere else, you know where adam couldn't get to it, in ohio perhaps. The whole story reeks of bad planning. I am generally on the side of people are responsible for their own actions, but this whole thing does look like a set up to me.

Genesis as a whole is pretty much 'appropriated' from Sumerian mythology and edited in order to follow a monotheistic narrative, so it was pretty much a matter of working with what was available.


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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:27 pm

Deacarsia wrote:
La xinga wrote:This is a strange OP post. People don't usually state their opinion in the OP post, and the poll seems VERY biased, don't you think :?:

Indeed, it is.

It should be changed to: "Should you or should you not eat the Biblical fruit?" Yet whenever i try to edit my OP title, it fails. :(
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:32 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:It was given food when it was saved. It keeps returning because of that. No gratitude needed.

I tihnk being saved is more important than getting given food.

What if you're trying to be saved from starvation.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:34 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
La xinga wrote:I tihnk being saved is more important than getting given food.

What if you're trying to be saved from starvation.

This [cute] deer was not. Rather, saved FROM being eaten!
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