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do you eat biblical apple

yes, come to know yourself through the knowledge of good and evil
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no - stay in paradise as a dumb brute
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no because old middle eastern god say no
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:They felt gratitude. It showed you lots of examples.

No, your link did not give examples of animals feeling gratitude at the time of adam and eve

So animals magically gained gratitude over time?
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Postby Last Breath » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:39 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Which says nothing about whether animals at the time of the story felt gratitude. And here

They felt gratitude. It showed you lots of examples.

First of all this is all anecdotal evidence, and thus shouldn't really be taken to support an extremely wide-reaching psychological claim. Secondly simply assuming animals feel gratitude because their behavior somewhat resembles that of humans expressing such emotions is a fairly unreasonable thing to do.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:41 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No, your link did not give examples of animals feeling gratitude at the time of adam and eve

So animals magically gained gratitude over time?

See my edit as to whether the stories are actually animals feeling gratitude. And second, why not, they supposedly magically gained knowledge of good and evil as well
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:41 pm

Last Breath wrote:
La xinga wrote:They felt gratitude. It showed you lots of examples.

First of all this is all anecdotal evidence, and thus shouldn't really be taken to support an extremely wide-reaching psychological claim. Secondly simply assuming animals feel gratitude because their behavior somewhat resembles that of humans expressing such emotions is a fairly unreasonable thing to do.

First, who cares? Evidence is evidence, some animals do have graditute.
Second of all, why?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:42 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:So animals magically gained gratitude over time?

See my edit as to whether the stories are actually animals feeling gratitude. And second, why not, they supposedly magically gained knowledge of good and evil as well

And here I was thinking Genesis was just a monotheistic edit of Sumerian mythology, but apparently there are intricate layers involved!


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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:So animals magically gained gratitude over time?

See my edit as to whether the stories are actually animals feeling gratitude. And second, why not, they supposedly magically gained knowledge of good and evil as well

Debatable? What else would they be feeling??!!
Magic?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:43 pm

La xinga wrote:
Last Breath wrote:First of all this is all anecdotal evidence, and thus shouldn't really be taken to support an extremely wide-reaching psychological claim. Secondly simply assuming animals feel gratitude because their behavior somewhat resembles that of humans expressing such emotions is a fairly unreasonable thing to do.

First, who cares? Evidence is evidence, some animals do have graditute.
Second of all, why?

I have evidence that the sun rotates around the earth, see it moves across the sky. Just because something looks like it happens does not mean your interpretation is correct. You are humanizing animals with no evidence that they should be humanized that way.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:45 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:See my edit as to whether the stories are actually animals feeling gratitude. And second, why not, they supposedly magically gained knowledge of good and evil as well

Debatable? What else would they be feeling??!!
Magic?

They could be remembering that they could get food at this place, and so be returning to get food (as is the case for the wild animals), or that the location was arm, and so return to a warm location, no gratitude necessary. For the dogs, they could simply be enjoying living a good life, no gratitude necessary.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:45 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:First, who cares? Evidence is evidence, some animals do have graditute.
Second of all, why?

I have evidence that the sun rotates around the earth, see it moves across the sky. Just because something looks like it happens does not mean your interpretation is correct. You are humanizing animals with no evidence that they should be humanized that way.
What other way should they be?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:46 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:First, who cares? Evidence is evidence, some animals do have graditute.
Second of all, why?

I have evidence that the sun rotates around the earth, see it moves across the sky. Just because something looks like it happens does not mean your interpretation is correct. You are humanizing animals with no evidence that they should be humanized that way.

Humanizing animals sounds like a perfect way to end up worshipping pagan animal gods, and I'm okay with that.


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Postby Last Breath » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:46 pm

La xinga wrote:
Last Breath wrote:First of all this is all anecdotal evidence, and thus shouldn't really be taken to support an extremely wide-reaching psychological claim. Secondly simply assuming animals feel gratitude because their behavior somewhat resembles that of humans expressing such emotions is a fairly unreasonable thing to do.

First, who cares? Evidence is evidence, some animals do have graditute.
Second of all, why?

Evidence Is evidence, but 13 cases not under experimental conditions is not very strong evidence, certainly not strong enough for the fairly extreme calm you are making. It is unreasonable because the minds of animals are quite possibly very different from ours, a fact which is not acknowledged if you simply project your own sentiments onto them.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:46 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I have evidence that the sun rotates around the earth, see it moves across the sky. Just because something looks like it happens does not mean your interpretation is correct. You are humanizing animals with no evidence that they should be humanized that way.
What other way should they be?

What do you mean by what other way should they be?
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:47 pm

Last Breath wrote:
La xinga wrote:First, who cares? Evidence is evidence, some animals do have graditute.
Second of all, why?

Evidence Is evidence, but 13 cases not under experimental conditions is not very strong evidence, certainly not strong enough for the fairly extreme calm you are making. It is unreasonable because the minds of animals are quite possibly very different from ours, a fact which is not acknowledged if you simply project your own sentiments onto them.

WHAT ELSE are they doing?
Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:What other way should they be?

What do you mean by what other way should they be?

^^^^^^^^^^
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:48 pm

La xinga wrote:
Last Breath wrote:Evidence Is evidence, but 13 cases not under experimental conditions is not very strong evidence, certainly not strong enough for the fairly extreme calm you are making. It is unreasonable because the minds of animals are quite possibly very different from ours, a fact which is not acknowledged if you simply project your own sentiments onto them.

WHAT ELSE are they doing?
Neutraligon wrote:What do you mean by what other way should they be?

^^^^^^^^^^

I am asking you a question for clarification, not making a statement.
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Postby Last Breath » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:48 pm

La xinga wrote:
Last Breath wrote:Evidence Is evidence, but 13 cases not under experimental conditions is not very strong evidence, certainly not strong enough for the fairly extreme calm you are making. It is unreasonable because the minds of animals are quite possibly very different from ours, a fact which is not acknowledged if you simply project your own sentiments onto them.

WHAT ELSE are they doing?
Neutraligon wrote:What do you mean by what other way should they be?

^^^^^^^^^^

They could simply be expressing joy, without actually being thankful towards anybody. I'm fairly certain this has been suggested multiple times to you.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:49 pm

Last Breath wrote:
La xinga wrote:WHAT ELSE are they doing?

^^^^^^^^^^

They could simply be expressing joy, without actually being thankful towards anybody. I'm fairly certain this has been suggested multiple times to you.

Or remembering where the food/safe place is and returning.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:49 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:WHAT ELSE are they doing?

^^^^^^^^^^

I am asking you a question for clarification, not making a statement.

Clarification? Statements? WHY? You want Clarification what they are doing? What else are they doing?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:50 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I am asking you a question for clarification, not making a statement.

Clarification? Statements? WHY? You want Clarification what they are doing? What else are they doing?

I already answered that. Also you are arguing from ignorance, a logical fallacy.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:51 pm

Last Breath wrote:
La xinga wrote:WHAT ELSE are they doing?

^^^^^^^^^^

They could simply be expressing joy, without actually being thankful towards anybody. I'm fairly certain this has been suggested multiple times to you.
How so joy? And cannot they just be happy, not needing to go to their saver?
Neutraligon wrote:
Last Breath wrote:They could simply be expressing joy, without actually being thankful towards anybody. I'm fairly certain this has been suggested multiple times to you.

Or remembering where the food/safe place is and returning.

Most of these stuff are not in people's home, yet the come there.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:52 pm

La xinga wrote:
Last Breath wrote:They could simply be expressing joy, without actually being thankful towards anybody. I'm fairly certain this has been suggested multiple times to you.
How so joy? And cannot they just be happy, not needing to go to their saver?
Neutraligon wrote:Or remembering where the food/safe place is and returning.

Most of these stuff are not in people's home, yet the come there.

Not true.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:52 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:Clarification? Statements? WHY? You want Clarification what they are doing? What else are they doing?

I already answered that. Also you are arguing from ignorance, a logical fallacy.

And I quoted that. And I'm not arguing from ignorance.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:52 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:How so joy? And cannot they just be happy, not needing to go to their saver?
Most of these stuff are not in people's home, yet the come there.

Not true.

That horned animal.
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Postby Dominioan » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:54 pm

What proof is there that god even exists anyway? But on the actual topic, the biblical apple (imo) should have been eaten.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:54 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I already answered that. Also you are arguing from ignorance, a logical fallacy.

And I quoted that. And I'm not arguing from ignorance.

Yes, you are, and I already explained what could be happening. You quoting it does not change that I have already given possible explanations
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:54 pm

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Not true.

That horned animal.

The dear, who is returning for food
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