TET: Snail Riders, Charge!

[Infected Mushroom]

What is with the snails?

Someone mentioned snails in medieval art, I made a joke about The Archregimancy knowing about the Great Snail War, and the rest was history, as they say.

A snail war must have been dull 0_0

[West Kronisia]

What is with the snails?

Someone mentioned snails in medieval art, I made a joke about The Archregimancy knowing about the Great Snail War, and the rest was history, as they say.

That was me. A real claim to fame right there; I started a conversation about snail art and then other people made it turn into a thread title! (Which totally 100% absolutely not joking whatsoever means that i must be able to claim it, right? )

[Nolo gap]

reality owes nothing to what anyone thinks they know about it, but you can still stub your toe on it, no matter how hard anyone my try to imagine it doesn't exist.
reality is that the unknown is unknown, but also that nothing has to be known to exist.
we can observe though, that some things happen more often then others and some things happen more often when other things happen first.
that is the beginning and end of all real knowledge, and is also called science.
which again doesn't stop unknown things from existing, just from owing anything to what we tell each other that we would not otherwise observe for ourselves without their doing so.

no idea if this is agreeing or disagreeing, just what my own take happens to be. and that what can be observed, is far more diverse then many give it credit for.

Reality is a fickle thing, and observers are perfectly capable of disagreeing with each other, and disagreeing vehemently, about what the hell just happened.

aggreements and events are undoubtedly real things, but not the first things that come to mind to associate with it.

rocks, trees and galaxies are. even trees are to a degree effemeral.

i mean everything that happens between humans is a teeny tiny box that's not even visible from the next solar system over.

and snail riders, i've seen lots of art of snail riders and frog riders and ant riders, so i hadn't really thought of midevil first thing on my mind either.

i don't know if the ants and snails were scalled up, or their riders were scaled down. but there's a shared univese in which ants are 'horses' and cars and trains haven't been invented so thy're quite common, but the armies have world war one era equipment (except no tanks. or atleast nothing self propelled, just everything pulled by them. possibly some form of armored carrages, but it would that rather large teams of either ants or snails to pull them. wooden armoured carrages like devinci. i think they do have barding for their war ants).

well in that world anyway.

snails i guess, depending on the kind, do have a sort of barding in the sense of retreating into their shells, except they stop moving when the do that, i think.

there's also another artist who created a species of molluscats. these i think can move pretty good when they extend their kitty feet, but still leave major slime trains which probably slow them down, just not as much as s-cargoes.

[Luziyca]

Someone mentioned snails in medieval art, I made a joke about The Archregimancy knowing about the Great Snail War, and the rest was history, as they say.

That was me. A real claim to fame right there; I started a conversation about snail art and then other people made it turn into a thread title! (Which totally 100% absolutely not joking whatsoever means that i must be able to claim it, right? )

Definitely.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Did you ever hear tell of the snail who sent mail via snail mail?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Did you ever hear tell of the snail who sent mail via snail mail?

I'm sure he did it without fail. Now get me an ale!

[Xmara]

Watch Avengers: Endgame, they said. It'll be fun, they said. This was not fun, I said. I feel like my heart's been ripped out from behind my sternum and stomped on, I said.

Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic movie. But no number of spoilers could have prepared me for that tearjerker ending.

[Geneviev]

Of all of the things that could have possibly happened in 2020, I never thought that I would even consider leaving my church, especially because of my own sin. Zombie kangaroos would have been more likely.

[Neanderthaland]

Watch Avengers: Endgame, they said. It'll be fun, they said. This was not fun, I said. I feel like my heart's been ripped out from behind my sternum and stomped on, I said.

Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic movie. But no number of spoilers could have prepared me for that tearjerker ending.

Knowing that Disney was uncomfortable keeping Robert Downey Jr. on probably could have.

[Infected Mushroom]

Should I bother with the Dark Phoenix movie?

[West Kronisia]

Of all of the things that could have possibly happened in 2020, I never thought that I would even consider leaving my church, especially because of my own sin. Zombie kangaroos would have been more likely.

That sounds like a pretty significant step to take. Without meaning to overstep and ask things you're not comfortable with revealing, what's making you consider leaving? Feel free to not answer, i understand that it must be a fairly big deal.

[Geneviev]

Of all of the things that could have possibly happened in 2020, I never thought that I would even consider leaving my church, especially because of my own sin. Zombie kangaroos would have been more likely.

That sounds like a pretty significant step to take. Without meaning to overstep and ask things you're not comfortable with revealing, what's making you consider leaving? Feel free to not answer, i understand that it must be a fairly big deal.

It's not because I don't believe in it, before people misunderstand that. It's because I seem to be experiencing homosexual feelings, and staying in my church when I'm not saved would be dishonest.

And the murder hornets told me to.

[West Kronisia]

That sounds like a pretty significant step to take. Without meaning to overstep and ask things you're not comfortable with revealing, what's making you consider leaving? Feel free to not answer, i understand that it must be a fairly big deal.

It's not because I don't believe in it, before people misunderstand that. It's because I seem to be experiencing homosexual feelings, and staying in my church when I'm not saved would be dishonest.

And the murder hornets told me to.

Honestly, lack of faith wasn't on the list of what i was considering, from my admittedly limited knowledge of your posts in here, you seem pretty strong in faith. Is your form of christianity not favourable in these circumstances? I have heard of some not being bothered at all. If you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, honestly, it's not something that'll effect your chances of getting into heaven, or being a good christian. A good christian is someone who helps others, and is a good person. And if one is a truly good person, surely that is enough?
I get that this may seem a little bit like i'm just going "Oh you're fine stop worrying" but know that you have support here, from me and i'm sure all the other people who frequent here, regardless of how things end up

EDIT: Don't let those murder hornets boss you around! Tell em to buzz off!

[Xmara]

Watch Avengers: Endgame, they said. It'll be fun, they said. This was not fun, I said. I feel like my heart's been ripped out from behind my sternum and stomped on, I said.

Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic movie. But no number of spoilers could have prepared me for that tearjerker ending.

Knowing that Disney was uncomfortable keeping Robert Downey Jr. on probably could have.

What

[Geneviev]

It's not because I don't believe in it, before people misunderstand that. It's because I seem to be experiencing homosexual feelings, and staying in my church when I'm not saved would be dishonest.

And the murder hornets told me to.

Honestly, lack of faith wasn't on the list of what i was considering, from my admittedly limited knowledge of your posts in here, you seem pretty strong in faith. Is your form of christianity not favourable in these circumstances? I have heard of some not being bothered at all. If you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, honestly, it's not something that'll effect your chances of getting into heaven, or being a good christian. A good christian is someone who helps others, and is a good person. And if one is a truly good person, surely that is enough?
I get that this may seem a little bit like i'm just going "Oh you're fine stop worrying" but know that you have support here, from me and i'm sure all the other people who frequent here, regardless of how things end up

EDIT: Don't let those murder hornets boss you around! Tell em to buzz off!

Without going into too much detail, I believe that it does matter and, at the very least, is a sign of my separation from God. So it's something that I am concerned about, given that I do love and want to obey God. And I'm sure that there would be people here who would be very supportive of me leaving the church.

I tried telling them, but their buzzing became unbearable after I said it.

[The Free Joy State]

Honestly, lack of faith wasn't on the list of what i was considering, from my admittedly limited knowledge of your posts in here, you seem pretty strong in faith. Is your form of christianity not favourable in these circumstances? I have heard of some not being bothered at all. If you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, honestly, it's not something that'll effect your chances of getting into heaven, or being a good christian. A good christian is someone who helps others, and is a good person. And if one is a truly good person, surely that is enough?
I get that this may seem a little bit like i'm just going "Oh you're fine stop worrying" but know that you have support here, from me and i'm sure all the other people who frequent here, regardless of how things end up

EDIT: Don't let those murder hornets boss you around! Tell em to buzz off!

Without going into too much detail, I believe that it does matter and, at the very least, is a sign of my separation from God. So it's something that I am concerned about, given that I do love and want to obey God. And I'm sure that there would be people here who would be very supportive of me leaving the church.

I tried telling them, but their buzzing became unbearable after I said it.

I don't think, and many churches wouldn't say, that (if you are LGBT+) you are separated from God or unsaved.

It's a shame that it seems like your congregation does.

EDIT: As for those pesky, dictatorial murder hornets, throw a sweet bribe away from you to distract them and run in the opposite direction.

[West Kronisia]

Honestly, lack of faith wasn't on the list of what i was considering, from my admittedly limited knowledge of your posts in here, you seem pretty strong in faith. Is your form of christianity not favourable in these circumstances? I have heard of some not being bothered at all. If you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, honestly, it's not something that'll effect your chances of getting into heaven, or being a good christian. A good christian is someone who helps others, and is a good person. And if one is a truly good person, surely that is enough?
I get that this may seem a little bit like i'm just going "Oh you're fine stop worrying" but know that you have support here, from me and i'm sure all the other people who frequent here, regardless of how things end up

EDIT: Don't let those murder hornets boss you around! Tell em to buzz off!

Without going into too much detail, I believe that it does matter and, at the very least, is a sign of my separation from God. So it's something that I am concerned about, given that I do love and want to obey God. And I'm sure that there would be people here who would be very supportive of me leaving the church.

I tried telling them, but their buzzing became unbearable after I said it.

I can understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't say it's so much a matter of being separated from god. Again, i think who you love doesn't bother god in the slightest. It is how you treat people that truly matters. Even if it were a "problem" to god - surely the good things you do should outweigh the "problem", no? Or are you going to tell me that someone who behaves like a saint and does no end of good for the world will go to hell if they are gay? If so, then something is wrong with the process up there, and i can't possibly believe that would be the case with a benevolent god that Christianity likes to purport. You quite clearly show reverence to God, so that's also going in your favour. And i meant that if you do leave, we're here for you, and if you don't, we're still here for you. My TG's are always open (to anyone who needs a friendly flag to talk to, really), i'm always down for a good chat if someone needs one.

And they still didn't leave? Time to break out the RAID, then. I wonder if they do a "BLIMEY THAT'S A BIG BUG" spray

[Geneviev]

Without going into too much detail, I believe that it does matter and, at the very least, is a sign of my separation from God. So it's something that I am concerned about, given that I do love and want to obey God. And I'm sure that there would be people here who would be very supportive of me leaving the church.

I tried telling them, but their buzzing became unbearable after I said it.

I don't think, and many churches wouldn't say, that (if you are LGBT+) you are separated from God or unsaved.

It's a shame that it seems like your congregation does.

It does say that, because that's what is written in the Bible. I don't think Christianity should always be pleasant for anyone.

Without going into too much detail, I believe that it does matter and, at the very least, is a sign of my separation from God. So it's something that I am concerned about, given that I do love and want to obey God. And I'm sure that there would be people here who would be very supportive of me leaving the church.

I tried telling them, but their buzzing became unbearable after I said it.

I can understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't say it's so much a matter of being separated from god. Again, i think who you love doesn't bother god in the slightest. It is how you treat people that truly matters. Even if it were a "problem" to god - surely the good things you do should outweigh the "problem", no? Or are you going to tell me that someone who behaves like a saint and does no end of good for the world will go to hell if they are gay? If so, then something is wrong with the process up there, and i can't possibly believe that would be the case with a benevolent god that Christianity likes to purport. You quite clearly show reverence to God, so that's also going in your favour. And i meant that if you do leave, we're here for you, and if you don't, we're still here for you. My TG's are always open (to anyone who needs a friendly flag to talk to, really), i'm always down for a good chat if someone needs one.

And they still didn't leave? Time to break out the RAID, then. I wonder if they do a "BLIMEY THAT'S A BIG BUG" spray

That would work if God counted your good work, and counted your sin, and then compared them to determine whether you should be saved. That's not what he does. Anyone who accepts his forgiveness and follows him will be saved, and persistent sin is a problem because it indicates that you're not saved.

I'm sure they do. Those hornets necessitate it.

[West Kronisia]

I can understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't say it's so much a matter of being separated from god. Again, i think who you love doesn't bother god in the slightest. It is how you treat people that truly matters. Even if it were a "problem" to god - surely the good things you do should outweigh the "problem", no? Or are you going to tell me that someone who behaves like a saint and does no end of good for the world will go to hell if they are gay? If so, then something is wrong with the process up there, and i can't possibly believe that would be the case with a benevolent god that Christianity likes to purport. You quite clearly show reverence to God, so that's also going in your favour. And i meant that if you do leave, we're here for you, and if you don't, we're still here for you. My TG's are always open (to anyone who needs a friendly flag to talk to, really), i'm always down for a good chat if someone needs one.

And they still didn't leave? Time to break out the RAID, then. I wonder if they do a "BLIMEY THAT'S A BIG BUG" spray

That would work if God counted your good work, and counted your sin, and then compared them to determine whether you should be saved. That's not what he does. Anyone who accepts his forgiveness and follows him will be saved, and persistent sin is a problem because it indicates that you're not saved.

I'm sure they do. Those hornets necessitate it.

Then he's doing himself a great disservice by throwing away perfectly decent human beings over something so trivial. Also, i recall that homosexuality being a sin was introduced to the bible quite (relatively speaking) late? Which to me screams that it wasn't the word of god that had that put in there, but some hateful person (I may be wrong on that front, but i recall hearing something along those lines). Also, if you're going to go to hell for the one thing, surely that's a terrible policy because anyone who does one tiny sin's just gonna go "Oh well, i'm going to hell, might as well do all the terrible things". It sounds like a good deterrent policy, but surely it creates more damage in the long run that way?
So, really, if you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, you might as well have fun in your life, if you're doomed anyway. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it disheartens me that this is causing someone distress, when really, it shouldn't even be something to remotely worry about.

[The Free Joy State]

I don't think, and many churches wouldn't say, that (if you are LGBT+) you are separated from God or unsaved.

It's a shame that it seems like your congregation does.

It does say that, because that's what is written in the Bible. I don't think Christianity should always be pleasant for anyone.

I've read very cogent explanations -- by people far more learned than me -- of why those verses no longer apply or should not be taken in the way they are frequently taken, but this is TET and I don't want to get into a religious debate here.

Let's just say, Leviticus -- the word "abomination" is a mistranslation of "toevah" or "ritual uncleanness". Hence why it's used for eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics, too. While 1 Corinthians 6:9 is felt to be another mistranslation caused by creating a portmanteau, which was actually meant to refer to the rampant shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

You can read the links to find out more.

[Geneviev]

That would work if God counted your good work, and counted your sin, and then compared them to determine whether you should be saved. That's not what he does. Anyone who accepts his forgiveness and follows him will be saved, and persistent sin is a problem because it indicates that you're not saved.

I'm sure they do. Those hornets necessitate it.

Then he's doing himself a great disservice by throwing away perfectly decent human beings over something so trivial. Also, i recall that homosexuality being a sin was introduced to the bible quite (relatively speaking) late? Which to me screams that it wasn't the word of god that had that put in there, but some hateful person (I may be wrong on that front, but i recall hearing something along those lines). Also, if you're going to go to hell for the one thing, surely that's a terrible policy because anyone who does one tiny sin's just gonna go "Oh well, i'm going to hell, might as well do all the terrible things". It sounds like a good deterrent policy, but surely it creates more damage in the long run that way?
So, really, if you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, you might as well have fun in your life, if you're doomed anyway. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it disheartens me that this is causing someone distress, when really, it shouldn't even be something to remotely worry about.

That's not what is happening. He will accept anyone who follows him. There is really only one sin, and that is rejecting God. That is what I'm doing with these thoughts. It doesn't mean that there is any person who is not loved by God.

[Geneviev]

It does say that, because that's what is written in the Bible. I don't think Christianity should always be pleasant for anyone.

I've read very cogent explanations -- by people far more learned than me -- of why those verses no longer apply or should not be taken in the way they are frequently taken, but this is TET and I don't want to get into a religious debate here.

Let's just say, Leviticus -- the word "abomination" is a mistranslation of "toevah" or "ritual uncleanness". Hence why it's used for eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics, too. While 1 Corinthians 6:9 is felt to be another mistranslation caused by creating a portmanteau, which was actually meant to refer to the rampant shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

You can read the links to find out more.

I don't know if I'll repeat the cult thread problem to rescue TET, so I'll just read the links.

[Infected Mushroom]

That would work if God counted your good work, and counted your sin, and then compared them to determine whether you should be saved. That's not what he does. Anyone who accepts his forgiveness and follows him will be saved, and persistent sin is a problem because it indicates that you're not saved.

I'm sure they do. Those hornets necessitate it.

Then he's doing himself a great disservice by throwing away perfectly decent human beings over something so trivial. Also, i recall that homosexuality being a sin was introduced to the bible quite (relatively speaking) late? Which to me screams that it wasn't the word of god that had that put in there, but some hateful person (I may be wrong on that front, but i recall hearing something along those lines). Also, if you're going to go to hell for the one thing, surely that's a terrible policy because anyone who does one tiny sin's just gonna go "Oh well, i'm going to hell, might as well do all the terrible things". It sounds like a good deterrent policy, but surely it creates more damage in the long run that way?
So, really, if you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, you might as well have fun in your life, if you're doomed anyway. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it disheartens me that this is causing someone distress, when really, it shouldn't even be something to remotely worry about.

I think it’s verses in Leviticus and elsewhere. If you go on Wikipedia, you can find a full listing of all verses that refer to homosexuality.

Seems to be that unless you read those verses out or come up with a very forced interpretation (to make it fit with modern liberal politics), the Bible verses pretty clearly condemn homosexuality. I mean, thousands of years ago, views towards homosexuality weren’t the same as in places today.

It’s something every believer will have to wrestle with and draw their own conclusions. But the Bible is written as is.

[West Kronisia]

Then he's doing himself a great disservice by throwing away perfectly decent human beings over something so trivial. Also, i recall that homosexuality being a sin was introduced to the bible quite (relatively speaking) late? Which to me screams that it wasn't the word of god that had that put in there, but some hateful person (I may be wrong on that front, but i recall hearing something along those lines). Also, if you're going to go to hell for the one thing, surely that's a terrible policy because anyone who does one tiny sin's just gonna go "Oh well, i'm going to hell, might as well do all the terrible things". It sounds like a good deterrent policy, but surely it creates more damage in the long run that way?
So, really, if you do come to the conclusion that you are gay/lesbian/bi, you might as well have fun in your life, if you're doomed anyway. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it disheartens me that this is causing someone distress, when really, it shouldn't even be something to remotely worry about.

That's not what is happening. He will accept anyone who follows him. There is really only one sin, and that is rejecting God. That is what I'm doing with these thoughts. It doesn't mean that there is any person who is not loved by God.

You seem to be doing quite the opposite to me, friend. You are desperately holding on, like a sailor in a storm desperately clings to his ship. You aren't rejecting him in the slightest, if anything, you are proving his value to you. Only you can decide if you are rejecting god or not, but I would adamantly state the opposite. You can't be wholly rejecting god through one specific tiny thing, when you are accepting and showing your faith in a hundred other ways. God should be proud of you as one of his creations putting so much effort into your faith.

(Sorry Joy if this is derailing a bit too much - let me know if so and i'll stop )

[The Free Joy State]

I've read very cogent explanations -- by people far more learned than me -- of why those verses no longer apply or should not be taken in the way they are frequently taken, but this is TET and I don't want to get into a religious debate here.

Let's just say, Leviticus -- the word "abomination" is a mistranslation of "toevah" or "ritual uncleanness". Hence why it's used for eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics, too. While 1 Corinthians 6:9 is felt to be another mistranslation caused by creating a portmanteau, which was actually meant to refer to the rampant shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

You can read the links to find out more.

I don't know if I'll repeat the cult thread problem to rescue TET, so I'll just read the links.

Probably best. We don't want a debate in TET.

But it is worth remembering that every version of the Bible is built on translations and mistranslations of the original Greek and Latin.

That's why I think literalism is a rather over-simplistic viewpoint -- a view that would be supported across most Christian congregations.

That's not what is happening. He will accept anyone who follows him. There is really only one sin, and that is rejecting God. That is what I'm doing with these thoughts. It doesn't mean that there is any person who is not loved by God.

You seem to be doing quite the opposite to me, friend. You are desperately holding on, like a sailor in a storm desperately clings to his ship. You aren't rejecting him in the slightest, if anything, you are proving his value to you. Only you can decide if you are rejecting god or not, but I would adamantly state the opposite. You can't be wholly rejecting god through one specific tiny thing, when you are accepting and showing your faith in a hundred other ways. God should be proud of you as one of his creations putting so much effort into your faith.

(Sorry Joy if this is derailing a bit too much - let me know if so and i'll stop )

I'm not a Mod. Just an IE (I edit the issues and have no powers; Mods are jacketed in red and blue).

Speaking purely personally, I see no harm in trying to buck-up a fellow thread-member and give them confidence in their decision.

That's a kind thing to do. It's religion itself we shouldn't get too side-tracked on.