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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:36 pm

Xmara wrote:
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I don't think so. I do think that less people will be interested in anything associated with JK Rowling, though.

I just try to separate the artist from the work


Me too. If I judged artists by political disposition/opinion I’d run out of works to support.

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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:36 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I saw someone say that the Rebelution is associated with Quiverfull, which is odd because I read it and am not Quiverfull.

The teen blog? Yep, it's associated with Quiverfull -- some of the other things associated with the... erm, movement are here.

Technically, Quiverfull isn't actually a denomination.

FWIW, I don't believe you are Quiverfull. But you do seem to have been seeped in some beliefs linked with Quiverfull. Not least, the "woman at home"... stuff.

It didn't seem extreme enough to be Quiverfull to me. That's odd. And I don't think that's where those beliefs came from. It would be strange if I got my beliefs from people that I don't think I am associated with.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:39 pm

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The Free Joy State wrote:The teen blog? Yep, it's associated with Quiverfull -- some of the other things associated with the... erm, movement are here.

Technically, Quiverfull isn't actually a denomination.

FWIW, I don't believe you are Quiverfull. But you do seem to have been seeped in some beliefs linked with Quiverfull. Not least, the "woman at home"... stuff.

It didn't seem extreme enough to be Quiverfull to me. That's odd. And I don't think that's where those beliefs came from. It would be strange if I got my beliefs from people that I don't think I am associated with.


Does your church get involved in politics?

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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:40 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It didn't seem extreme enough to be Quiverfull to me. That's odd. And I don't think that's where those beliefs came from. It would be strange if I got my beliefs from people that I don't think I am associated with.


Does your church get involved in politics?

Not really, no.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:41 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Does your church get involved in politics?

Not really, no.


I see...

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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:43 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:The teen blog? Yep, it's associated with Quiverfull -- some of the other things associated with the... erm, movement are here.

Technically, Quiverfull isn't actually a denomination.

FWIW, I don't believe you are Quiverfull. But you do seem to have been seeped in some beliefs linked with Quiverfull. Not least, the "woman at home"... stuff.

It didn't seem extreme enough to be Quiverfull to me. That's odd. And I don't think that's where those beliefs came from. It would be strange if I got my beliefs from people that I don't think I am associated with.

All I meant was that the culture of your church seems not too dissimilar to some of that of Quiverfull, so it wouldn't surprise me if you used some of their materials.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:45 pm

Tomorrow’s a holiday

I’m hyped

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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:46 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It didn't seem extreme enough to be Quiverfull to me. That's odd. And I don't think that's where those beliefs came from. It would be strange if I got my beliefs from people that I don't think I am associated with.

All I meant was that the culture of your church seems not too dissimilar to some of that of Quiverfull, so it wouldn't surprise me if you used some of their materials.

It should be very different, I would think, as Quiverfull are meant to hate women or things like that. I wouldn't think that my church would recommend anything associated with them.
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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:47 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Tomorrow’s a holiday

I’m hyped

Those are fun. :)
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:48 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Does your church get involved in politics?

Not really, no.

There you are; that's one thing that separates your church -- or, should I say "your family's church (if you're thinking of leaving) -- from the strongest Quiverfull families (i.e. the Duggars), who are always trying to reshape the world in their political image. :)
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:51 pm

Those two kids that wrote that hard things book are smarmy and act like they invented the concept of doing stuff
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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:52 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Not really, no.

There you are; that's one thing that separates your church -- or, should I say "your family's church (if you're thinking of leaving) -- from the strongest Quiverfull families (i.e. the Duggars), who are always trying to reshape the world in their political image. :)

I don't think they are involved in politics either, it would involve being in the world, like what I do.

South Odreria 2 wrote:Those two kids that wrote that hard things book are smarmy and act like they invented the concept of doing stuff

I'm suddenly much more grateful that I never read any of the books advertised on there. :p
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:02 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:All I meant was that the culture of your church seems not too dissimilar to some of that of Quiverfull, so it wouldn't surprise me if you used some of their materials.

It should be very different, I would think, as Quiverfull are meant to hate women or things like that. I wouldn't think that my church would recommend anything associated with them.

If your Church recommended The Rebelution, then they did recommend something associated with Quiverfull. Also, if they recommend Visionary Daughters, Vision Forum, Rod and Staff, Above Rubies...

It's definitely possible to argue that Quiverfull is highly misogynistic -- as they want them subject first to their fathers and then to their husband, bearing children endlessly with no bodily autonomy (no contraception, no abortion, no hysterectomy), being good daughters-at-home -- unable to go to university (unless, possibly, it's an unaccredited Christian one) or work or even date. However, they would argue it's "God's will". They even have a rather facile explanation of woman to account for it: “woman” is a combination of the words “womb” and “man.” Woman means “womb man” or “man with a womb.”1, therefore (as women are capable of having children) childbirth is the "natural use of a woman"

1. Not only is it facile, it's wrong. It's actually from the Old English wīfman, from "wīf" woman/wife and "man" human being/man
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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:08 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It should be very different, I would think, as Quiverfull are meant to hate women or things like that. I wouldn't think that my church would recommend anything associated with them.

If your Church recommended The Rebelution, then they did recommend something associated with Quiverfull. Also, if they recommend Visionary Daughters, Vision Forum, Rod and Staff, Above Rubies...

It's definitely possible to argue that Quiverfull is highly misogynistic -- as they want them subject first to their fathers and then to their husband, bearing children endlessly with no bodily autonomy (no contraception, no abortion, no hysterectomy), being good daughters-at-home -- unable to go to university (unless, possibly, it's an unaccredited Christian one) or work or even date. However, they would argue it's "God's will". They even have a rather facile explanation of woman to account for it: “woman” is a combination of the words “womb” and “man.” Woman means “womb man” or “man with a womb.”1, therefore (as women are capable of having children) childbirth is the "natural use of a woman"

1. Not only is it facile, it's wrong. It's actually from the Old English wīfman, from "wīf" woman/wife and "man" human being/man

I don't understand why my church would support anything associated with them. They have some beliefs that are too extreme and dangerous to people. It's not being unable to go to university that is dangerous, but having too many children definitely is.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:05 am

Geneviev wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Tomorrow’s a holiday

I’m hyped

Those are fun. :)


Indeed

It’s too bad that the cinemas cannot re-open during this time. I love the cinemas.

However, I don’t want an indoor day off. I can finish a few personal projects of mine.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:10 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:Those two kids that wrote that hard things book are smarmy and act like they invented the concept of doing stuff


Who?

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Postby Immoren » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:16 am

I guess I should appreciate it rains once in a while.


TIL
Horse is equated to a motor vehicle in eyes of traffic law.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:26 am

Immoren wrote:I guess I should appreciate it rains once in a while.


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Postby Esternial » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:37 am

When you accidentally misspell your username in your egosearch and suddenly are flashed back to 2011 posts in archived F7 threads.

Eech.

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Postby The Remote Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:57 am

Man, every time I come back to this forum I remember how different it felt back in the 2000s. Less political arguing and more friendly zaniness, and definitely less of a spectrum of ideologies - seriously, you get everyone here now, it's crazy. Are there still a lot of bronies here as well?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:28 am

Esternial wrote:When you accidentally misspell your username in your egosearch and suddenly are flashed back to 2011 posts in archived F7 threads.

Eech.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:13 am

The Remote Islands wrote:Man, every time I come back to this forum I remember how different it felt back in the 2000s. Less political arguing and more friendly zaniness, and definitely less of a spectrum of ideologies - seriously, you get everyone here now, it's crazy. Are there still a lot of bronies here as well?


At the time I wasn’t in forums, I was mostly focused on running my other countries game side

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:18 am

Kannap wrote:
Immoren wrote:I guess I should appreciate it rains once in a while.


TIL
Horse is equated to a motor vehicle in eyes of traffic law.

"I pulled you over because, Sir, how the absolute fuck did you get your horse doing 85mph in a 45mph zone?"

The answer to that question is cocaine, and lots of it.


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
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Postby The Remote Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:18 am

Closing in on 500 posts...I had over a thousand on the old jolt forums, but a good portion of that was postwhoring and stupid forum wars. Oh, to be young again!

The drama over on Something Awful (not that I've ever posted there because it is indeed something awful) reminds me of how forums have been gradually losing ground to social media. Hell, it almost seems abnormal for younger folks to post on a forum these days. I have my own reasons for preferring forums, though admittedly half of it is growing up with forums and the other half is how crappy social media is to begin with.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:26 am

The Remote Islands wrote:Closing in on 500 posts...I had over a thousand on the old jolt forums, but a good portion of that was postwhoring and stupid forum wars. Oh, to be young again!

The drama over on Something Awful (not that I've ever posted there because it is indeed something awful) reminds me of how forums have been gradually losing ground to social media. Hell, it almost seems abnormal for younger folks to post on a forum these days. I have my own reasons for preferring forums, though admittedly half of it is growing up with forums and the other half is how crappy social media is to begin with.

Reminiscing about the good old days, eh? Before you do, try to remember how you felt about that time when you were actually experiencing it. Nostalgia tends to distort things.


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