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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:14 am

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A U.S. Army soldier is facing a slew of terrorism charges after allegedly giving classified military information to a white supremacist group with Satanic leanings as part of a deadly plot against members of his own unit, prosecutors said.

The charges announced Monday in Manhattan Federal Court allege that Army Private Ethan Melzer gave information about U.S. troops stationed overseas — including whereabouts, movement and security details — to the Order of the Nine Angles (O9A). The intel supplied by Melzer was to be used as a way to carry out a "mass casualty" incident, according to the criminal complaint and indictment.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has described O9A as an "occult neo-Nazi" organization, and British lawmakers have called for the group, which was founded there, to be banned. Prosecutors called the group an "neo-Nazi and racially motivated violent extremist group," which has praised some of history's most notorious figures such as Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden. Members and associates of the group have carried out acts of violence and murders in the past, prosecutors said.

The UK group Hope Not Hate, in its annual State of Hate report, cited O9A as a major influence on Nazi terror groups both in the United States and Europe.

"O9A seeks to harness supernatural forces and overthrow the alleged 'Nazarene/Magian' (Jewish) influence on society, reduce the population of 'mundanes' through acts of extreme barbarism, and usher in a new imperial aeon (age) ruled by a race of Satanic supermen who would colonise the solar system," the group wrote in this year's report.

Melzer, joined the hate group in 2019, the year after he joined the Army. Before he began plotting the attack, the Louisville, Kentucky, resident had been reading and gathering propaganda from a variety of extremist groups like O9A and ISIS, the criminal complaint and indictment read. One of the ISIS documents the FBI seized from Melzer's iCloud account described attacks and killings of U.S. personnel believed to have been carried out in April.

Around that same time, the Melzer's Army unit was told it would sent on a further foreign deployment. After receiving the assignment, the 22-year-old sent encrypted messages to members of O9A and a related group called "RapeWaffen Division" that pledged his support to their causes and contained the classified location information, according to the criminal complaint and indictment. Melzer and members of the groups allegedly planned what they called a "jihadi attack," in which the soldier said he was willing to die.

"Who give a f---...it would be another war," Melzer wrote the groups. "I would've died successfully ... cause another 10 year war in the Middle East would definitely leave a mark."

Some time around May 17, Melzer traded messages with a purported member of al Qaeda about the upcoming deployment, according to the court documents. A week later, he sent more specific information regarding his unit and the assignment, including: the number of soldiers traveling, location of the facility Melzer expected to be sent to, and information about the that facility's surveillance and defense capabilities. He also promised more information once they arrived at the location, as a way to maximize the likelihood of a successful attack, the criminal complain and indictment read.

Officials from the FBI and the U.S. Army thwarted the plan in late May, and Melzer was arrested June 10. He was in custody in the U.S. and awaiting arraignment, the U.S. Attorney's Office said.

After his arrest, Melzer admitted to his deadly plan, and said his goal was to kill as many service members as possible, according to prosecutors. He also declared that he was a traitor against the U.S., and said what he planned was basically treason.

In a statement, Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss called Melzer "the enemy within" for his plan to take out as many of his fellow soldiers as possible.

"Melzer allegedly attempted to orchestrate a murderous ambush on his own unit by unlawfully revealing its location, strength, and armaments to a neo-Nazi, anarchist, white supremacist group. Melzer allegedly provided this potentially deadly information intending that it be conveyed to jihadist terrorists," said Strauss. "As alleged, Melzer was motivated by racism and hatred as he attempted to carry out this ultimate act of betrayal."

Melzer was charged with multiple counts of conspiring and attempting to murder U.S. nationals and military service members, providing and attempting to provide material support to terrorists, and conspiring to murder and maim in a foreign country. Half of the charges carry a life sentence, if Melzer is convicted; others include as much as 15-20 years in prison. Attorney information for Melzer was not immediately made available.

"Melzer declared himself to be a traitor against the United States, and described his own conduct as tantamount to treason. We agree. He turned his back on his county and his unit while aligning himself with members of the neo-Nazi group O9A," said FBI Assistant Director William Sweeney. "Today, he is in custody and facing a lifetime of service – behind bars – which is appropriate given the severity of the conduct we allege today.”





If these charges are accurate then holy shit this would have been horrible. Neo nazis are still planing things against America.

Thankfully this was stopped. I will of course wait for the courts to do there job and judge this person. Really surprised that NSG doesn't have a thread on this untill now.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:19 am

Fuck that dude.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:33 am

Good.

I sure hope that he gets convicted, but I feel like they probably won't, or if they do, probably just a slap on the wrist.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:38 am

Luziyca wrote:Good.

I sure hope that he gets convicted, but I feel like they probably won't, or if they do, probably just a slap on the wrist.

I mean, he confessed to treason.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:38 am

Luziyca wrote:Good.

I sure hope that he gets convicted, but I feel like they probably won't, or if they do, probably just a slap on the wrist.


He literally committed treason with the intent of killing US soldiers. He's going to be, in all likelihood, being judged by soldiers.

He is so beyond dead it isn't even funny.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:45 am

Luziyca wrote:Good.

I sure hope that he gets convicted, but I feel like they probably won't, or if they do, probably just a slap on the wrist.

He’s gonna be tried in a court martial. He’s a dead man walking.
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Postby Korwin » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:49 am

It is terrifying how many Neo-Nazis and white fascists are in the US military.

Didn't we used to tar-and-feather supporters of the Germans during both World Wars? Now we give them cabinet positions and access to our most valuable secrets!
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:51 am

Will Trump be declaring the Order of 9 Angles a terrorist group?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:02 am

Korwin wrote:It is terrifying how many Neo-Nazis and white fascists are in the US military.

Didn't we used to tar-and-feather supporters of the Germans during both World Wars? Now we give them cabinet positions and access to our most valuable secrets!


I sometimes wonder what side America would back if WW2 happened today. Many of today's alt right and nationalist movements are little more than re-branded fascists, and they have support in the federal government.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:03 am

Rusozak wrote:
Korwin wrote:It is terrifying how many Neo-Nazis and white fascists are in the US military.

Didn't we used to tar-and-feather supporters of the Germans during both World Wars? Now we give them cabinet positions and access to our most valuable secrets!


I sometimes wonder what side America would back if WW2 happened today. Many of today's alt right and nationalist movements are little more than re-branded fascists, and they have support in the federal government.


No they don't.
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Postby SangMar » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:07 am

Korwin wrote:It is terrifying how many Neo-Nazis and white fascists are in the US military.

Didn't we used to tar-and-feather supporters of the Germans during both World Wars? Now we give them cabinet positions and access to our most valuable secrets!


It’s a relatively working class organisation - at least, the rank and file are - poorer people tend to lean right. The thing is, the US Army’s pretty racially diverse - which is also possibly why he gave information to the neo-nazis.

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i hope that guys dies in a hole and his organs get eaten my luons

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:08 am

Korwin wrote:It is terrifying how many Neo-Nazis and white fascists are in the US military.

Didn't we used to tar-and-feather supporters of the Germans during both World Wars? Now we give them cabinet positions and access to our most valuable secrets!

Yeah: in my old region, the guy who was alt-right at best/down-right fashy at worst was in the Marines. Haven't heard from him since, apart from that time he tried to join my current region, only for him to get rejected due to both his beliefs and the fact he was not the best worldbuilder.
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Is it considered "advocating death" to say he should get the firing squad?

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all i want to know is how you ca be a Neo-Nazi and an Anarchist.
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Postby Conterale » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:12 am

Korwin wrote:It is terrifying how many Neo-Nazis and white fascists are in the US military.

Didn't we used to tar-and-feather supporters of the Germans during both World Wars? Now we give them cabinet positions and access to our most valuable secrets!

I mean in ww1 Germany was no worse than everyone else.
And you'd be surprised how many people before the war openly supported Hitler.
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Postby Artoonia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:12 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:He literally committed treason with the intent of killing US soldiers. He's going to be, in all likelihood, being judged by soldiers.

Figuratively. Treason is literally defined in the Constitution, and its scope is more limited than this unless there was an actual state of war with the people he conspired with.

I'm not sure what the literal crime here is (maybe espionage), but it's not "treason".

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:19 am

Artoonia wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:He literally committed treason with the intent of killing US soldiers. He's going to be, in all likelihood, being judged by soldiers.

Figuratively. Treason is literally defined in the Constitution, and its scope is more limited than this unless there was an actual state of war with the people he conspired with.

I'm not sure what the literal crime here is (maybe espionage), but it's not "treason".

As far as I know, al-Qaeda is an enemy of the US, and giving them information like that would definitely qualify as aiding.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:29 am

Artoonia wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:He literally committed treason with the intent of killing US soldiers. He's going to be, in all likelihood, being judged by soldiers.

Figuratively. Treason is literally defined in the Constitution, and its scope is more limited than this unless there was an actual state of war with the people he conspired with.

I'm not sure what the literal crime here is (maybe espionage), but it's not "treason".

I mean giving classified information to terrorist groups and enemies would most definitely count as treason I think.

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Dresderstan wrote:
Artoonia wrote:Figuratively. Treason is literally defined in the Constitution, and its scope is more limited than this unless there was an actual state of war with the people he conspired with.

I'm not sure what the literal crime here is (maybe espionage), but it's not "treason".

I mean giving classified information to terrorist groups and enemies would most definitely count as treason I think.

I don't believe it does, because we're not in an actual state of war with them.

It would count as terrorism because of the transitive property of terrorism.
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Neo Nazi Satanist. Like how much crazy can you fit into one brain.
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Greed and Death wrote:Neo Nazi Satanist. Like how much crazy can you fit into one brain.


Neo Nazi Satanist Jihadi. He was considering joining ISIS remember?
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What is this fascination with magic supremacists seem to have ? This group, the Klan being led by wizards, Hitler loving his occult..
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:34 am

Greed and Death wrote:Neo Nazi Satanist. Like how much crazy can you fit into one brain.

I'd tell you but I can't, and frankly I think you don't want to know either.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:35 am

The first part of the article reads like a criminal suspense novel. I can even imagine hearing thunder and heavy rain as I read this:

A U.S. Army soldier is facing a slew of terrorism charges after allegedly giving classified military information to a white supremacist group with Satanic leanings as part of a deadly plot against members of his own unit, prosecutors said.


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