Should Charges for Animal Cruelty be Tougher?

[Washington Resistance Army]

What an exceptionally immoral viewpoint.

Animals are non-sapient and should not have rights unless endangered or are subject to property rights.

Your sig implies you're a Christian, are you not aware of your faiths history of trying to minimize animal suffering? There are several biblical verses supporting that viewpoint, and various church traditions also support it.

[Marxist Germany]

Animals are non-sapient and should not have rights unless endangered or are subject to property rights.

Your sig implies you're a Christian, are you not aware of your faiths history of trying to minimize animal suffering? There are several biblical verses supporting that viewpoint, and various church traditions also support it.

This should not be a crime, let society and God judge these people.

[Vetalia]

Animals are non-sapient and should not have rights unless endangered or are subject to property rights. Furthermore, where do we draw the line? Mammals, warm blooded species, vertebrates?

Why would you willfully hurt another living creature for no reason? Animals may not be sapient but they definitely feel pain and experience emotions.

[New haven america]

Your sig implies you're a Christian, are you not aware of your faiths history of trying to minimize animal suffering? There are several biblical verses supporting that viewpoint, and various church traditions also support it.

This should not be a crime, let society and God judge these people.

And yet other bible verses and passages should be treated as law because...?

[Marxist Germany]

Animals are non-sapient and should not have rights unless endangered or are subject to property rights. Furthermore, where do we draw the line? Mammals, warm blooded species, vertebrates?

Why would you willfully hurt another living creature for no reason? Animals may not be sapient but they definitely feel pain and experience emotions.

I do not condone hurting animals and I personally believe it to be immoral, to clarify.

[Marxist Germany]

This should not be a crime, let society and God judge these people.

And yet other bible verses and passages should be treated as law because...?

Irrelevant to discussion at hand.

[New haven america]

And yet other bible verses and passages should be treated as law because...?

Irrelevant to discussion at hand.

Nope, totally relevant.

Why is animal cruelty the exception to rule?

[Saiwania]

We give animals too many rights in my view, that aren't warranted. We effectively have dominion over every other living creature over all of the Earth.

[North American Soviet Socialist Republic]

https://www.smalljoys.tv/mother-swan-broken-heart/

A swan in Manchester died of a apparent broken heart after several teens destroyed her nest causing her partner to leave her. Swans often mate for life. Who raised such monsters that they would do something so awful? I hope whoever did this is caught and charged to the fullest extent of the law possible.

I often wonder if making animal cruelty charges a felony is enough to make heartbreaking stories like this stop. Perhaps if these teens were charged with murder it would make others think twice about doing something similar and make people have more respect and care for other creatures.

What do you think NSG?

Animal Cruelty is already a felony both federal and most states.

[Marxist Germany]

Irrelevant to discussion at hand.

Nope, totally relevant.

Why is animal cruelty the exception to rule?

Because it is unenforceable, animals can't report crime.

[North American Soviet Socialist Republic]

Nope, totally relevant.

Why is animal cruelty the exception to rule?

Because it is unenforceable, animals can't report crime.

But people who witness such cruelty can.

[Vetalia]

Because it is unenforceable, animals can't report crime.

People can report it, though, and I don't think that is a very good standard to protect people who are disabled against crime, either.

[New haven america]

Nope, totally relevant.

Why is animal cruelty the exception to rule?

1. Because it is unenforceable, 2. animals can't report crime.

1. Objectively false, eco-protections and animals laws can be enforced very easily.
2A. Also false, a lot of 9-11 operating centers have translators for trained service animals to report emergencies or crimes, 2B. While most animals can, humans can report other humans committing animal cruelty.

[The Emerald Legion]

Animals are non-sapient and should not have rights unless endangered or are subject to property rights. Furthermore, where do we draw the line? Mammals, warm blooded species, vertebrates?

Why would you willfully hurt another living creature for no reason? Animals may not be sapient but they definitely feel pain and experience emotions.

Why would you feel empathy for another living creature that doesn't have it for you?

[New haven america]

Why would you willfully hurt another living creature for no reason? Animals may not be sapient but they definitely feel pain and experience emotions.

Why would you feel empathy for another living creature that doesn't have it for you?

Why wouldn't you?

[The Emerald Legion]

Why would you feel empathy for another living creature that doesn't have it for you?

Why wouldn't you?

Because it doesn't reciprocate. It's an enemy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why wouldn't you?

Because it doesn't reciprocate. It's an enemy.

What fantasy world do you live in lol. Short of, idk, cougars and bears there's not many hostile animals an American citizen can run into.

[New haven america]

Why wouldn't you?

Because it doesn't reciprocate. It's an enemy.

lol, most animals are only aggressive if you give them reason to.

Which begs the question, what have you been doing that has been causing animals to attack you?

[Eternal Cesken]

https://www.smalljoys.tv/mother-swan-broken-heart/

A swan in Manchester died of a apparent broken heart after several teens destroyed her nest causing her partner to leave her. Swans often mate for life. Who raised such monsters that they would do something so awful? I hope whoever did this is caught and charged to the fullest extent of the law possible.

I often wonder if making animal cruelty charges a felony is enough to make heartbreaking stories like this stop. Perhaps if these teens were charged with murder it would make others think twice about doing something similar and make people have more respect and care for other creatures.

What do you think NSG?

Yes
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[North American Soviet Socialist Republic]

Because it doesn't reciprocate. It's an enemy.

What fantasy world do you live in lol. Short of, idk, cougars and bears there's not many hostile animals an American citizen can run into.

Wolves have been known to attack humans every now and then though those attacks have most been caused by rabies.

[The Emerald Legion]

Because it doesn't reciprocate. It's an enemy.

lol, most animals are only aggressive if you give them reason to.

Which begs the question, what have you been doing that has been causing animals to attack you?

Not really no? Animals get aggressive for all kinds of reasons. Just approaching their territory can cause attacks.

It doesn't matter why they attack you. Wild animals aren't pets and don't deserve your empathy. They're wild animals.

[Luziyca]

Animals are not people, it is true. But animals can feel pain and fear and suffer.
People who abuse animals should honestly be fined and be placed in some sort of rehabilitation program. If they are repeat offenders, then perhaps being placed in mental health care until they are rehabilitated is necessary.

One of the "triad" of serial killer indicators is torturing/killing animals, so it's really not the 'no big deal' some seem to think it is.

Agreed.

[The Marlborough]

Nope, totally relevant.

Why is animal cruelty the exception to rule?

Because it is unenforceable, animals can't report crime.

Neither can infants, therefore it follows we should allow the abuse of infants.

[New haven america]

lol, most animals are only aggressive if you give them reason to.

Which begs the question, what have you been doing that has been causing animals to attack you?

1. Not really no? Animals get aggressive for all kinds of reasons. Just approaching their territory can cause attacks.

2. It doesn't matter why they attack you. Wild animals aren't pets and 3. don't deserve your empathy. They're wild animals.

1. Why are you going into the territory of aggressive animals if they tend to claim areas away from human habitation?
2. It seemingly does as you getting attacked by wild animals is apparently common.
3. Why not?

[The Emerald Legion]

1. Not really no? Animals get aggressive for all kinds of reasons. Just approaching their territory can cause attacks.

2. It doesn't matter why they attack you. Wild animals aren't pets and 3. don't deserve your empathy. They're wild animals.

1. Why are you going into the territory of aggressive animals if they tend to claim areas away from human habitation?
2. It seemingly does as you getting attacked by wild animals is apparently common.
3. Why not?

... Is literally the only argument you know how to make to snidely question people's character?

1.) Animals don't know how to write and therefore don't put up legible signs. Nor do they always choose convenient locations.

2.) This happens when you live in a rustic place. Snakes, birds, all manner of things will move into your area and if you don't make a point of trying to drive them off, you lose your space to them.

3.) Because, having empathy for venomous snakes living in your back yard gets you or your loved ones bit and dead.