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Postby Nakena » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:24 am

Things might get interesting in North Africa:

Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Saturday said his country has a legitimate right to intervene in neighbouring Libya and ordered his army to be ready to carry out any mission outside the country, if necessary.

Sisi’s comments came amid high tensions over regional rival Turkey’s intervention in Libya. He also warned forces loyal to the internationally recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli not to cross the current frontline with Khalifa Haftar’s eastern-based Libyan National Army (LNA).

Turkey’s support for the GNA has reversed a 14-month assault on Tripoli by forces loyal to Haftar, which are backed by Russia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt.

“Any direct intervention from the Egyptian state has now acquired international legitimacy,” Sisi told an audience after inspecting military units at an air base near the border with Libya.

He said Egypt has the right to defend itself after receiving “direct threats” from “terrorist militias and mercenaries” supported by foreign countries, in an apparent reference to some armed groups loyal to the GNA and supported by Turkey.

The main aims of any intervention would include protecting Egypt’s 1,200-km (746-mile) western border, helping achieve a ceasefire, and restoring stability and peace in Libya, he said.
Analysis: ‘Libya becoming proxy battleground for foreign powers with eyes on coastline, oil fields’

Before his speech, Sisi addressed several air force pilots and special forces personnel at the base, telling them: “Be prepared to carry out any mission, here inside our borders - or if necessary, outside our borders.”

The UAE and Saudi Arabia expressed support for Egypt’s desire to protect its security and borders. There was no immediate reaction from Turkey or the GNA.

Earlier this month, Egypt called for a ceasefire in Libya as part of an initiative which also proposed an elected leadership council for the country.

While the United States, Russia and the UAE welcomed the plan, Turkey dismissed it as an attempt to save Haftar following his battlefield losses.

On Saturday Sisi said that Egypt has always been reluctant to intervene in Libya and wants a political solution to its conflict, but added that “the situation now is different”.

“If some people think that they can cross the Sirte-Jufra frontline, this is a red line for us,” he said before an audience that included some Libyan tribal leaders.

Sisi called on the two warring parties to respect the frontline and return to talks.

He also said Egypt could provide Libyan tribes with training and arms to fight the “terrorist militias”.

(REUTERS)


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I am not sure if this is just talk or if they're actually intending to intervene into Libya. If so it would be quite a thing that could turn the tide of the war.

Obligatory OP opinion: I am generally more sympathic to Hafter so I wouldn horribly mind it if it came to that. That being said, the egyptian intervention in Yemen in the 1960s was a total desaster and they cannot even keep the Sinai calm.
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:37 am

Egypt has a significant Christian minority.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:39 am

Sundiata wrote:Egypt has a significant Christian minority.

And that matters... why?
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:47 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Egypt has a significant Christian minority.

And that matters... why?

Well, if I were President that is the faction I would defensively support.
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:51 am

Would be cool if they create a new United Arab Republic if Egypt intervenes.

On a more serious note, this will probably be a proxy war between Egypt and Turkey.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:52 am

Sundiata wrote:
Atheris wrote:And that matters... why?

Well, if I were President that is the faction I would defensively support.

But the Christians aren't revolting against Sisi...
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:52 am

Sundiata wrote:
Atheris wrote:And that matters... why?

Well, if I were President that is the faction I would defensively support.


In an intervention of Libya?

Sure, there are Christians in Libya, but are they a faction that matter (in the context of the Libyan civil war)? :unsure:
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:53 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Well, if I were President that is the faction I would defensively support.


In an intervention of Libya?

Sure, there are Christians in Libya, but are they a faction that matter (in the context of the Libyan civil war)? :unsure:

No: I think there are like 5 Christians in Libya, of which 4 of them are descendants of Italian colonists.
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Postby Wariaku » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:05 am

History is repeating itself then:

this resembles the geopolitical situation leading to the 22nd dynasty: tottering dynasty goes harsh on the Libu, tries to get some of them on its side, (then find how they take over and divide its country...)

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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:26 am

Another country Turkey has managed to piss off.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:39 am

They should intervene and we should be supporting Haftar as well but we don’t want to because “muh democracy” or some bullshit
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:50 am

Well this isn't great. But then again, Libya's been a mess for years now, and I can't fault Egypt for getting fed up with that situation.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:58 am

Luziyca wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
In an intervention of Libya?

Sure, there are Christians in Libya, but are they a faction that matter (in the context of the Libyan civil war)? :unsure:

No: I think there are like 5 Christians in Libya, of which 4 of them are descendants of Italian colonists.


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Postby Andsed » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:28 am

CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKER! AINT NO BREAK ON THE 2020 TRAIN WOOOOOOOOOO!

But in all seriousness I hope to god if an intervention happens it does not fuck things up even further.
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:46 am

*Checks 2020 betting pool* Who had middle east crisis for June?
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:49 am

Rusozak wrote:*Checks 2020 betting pool* Who had middle east crisis for June?

I did. :p I always put it the Summertime.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:39 am

Well if this happens best the US keep our distance, but given Egypt is probably the safe bet we should lean towards them. The GNA is worthless and we need to make sure we end up friends with the winning side.

Seems the Tobruk government is backing Egypt.

And they are pretty friendly. We should encourage that Egypt and Haftar takes them into account as well.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:47 am

Libya isn't really a functioning state, though it's not often reported, the Civil War there is still technically going strong. So, this isn't some intervention in a stable, foreign government.

I can see why Sisi is against the Turkish efforts in the region, especially given Egypt's tactical support of the secularist Haftar, but then again, this sort of escalation seems ultimately unnecessary from their end.

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Postby Vistulange » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:32 pm

Agarntrop wrote:Another country Turkey has managed to piss off.

Turkish-Egyptian relations have been considerably poor since 2013, when Mursi was ousted by a coup led by Sisi. Since his ouster, Turkish-Egyptian relations have been quite, quite cool. It's nothing new.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:36 pm

I’m sure this will help the situation in Libya and definitely not make anything worse.
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Postby Xmara » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:37 pm

Rusozak wrote:*Checks 2020 betting pool* Who had middle east crisis for June?

Crap. I put it in December. I figured that if we could start the year with a Middle East crisis, we could end it with one as well.

However I have the creepy clowns from 2016 down for their return in September, if anyone cares.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:26 pm

Nakena wrote:
Things might get interesting in North Africa:

Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Saturday said his country has a legitimate right to intervene in neighbouring Libya and ordered his army to be ready to carry out any mission outside the country, if necessary.

Sisi’s comments came amid high tensions over regional rival Turkey’s intervention in Libya. He also warned forces loyal to the internationally recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli not to cross the current frontline with Khalifa Haftar’s eastern-based Libyan National Army (LNA).

Turkey’s support for the GNA has reversed a 14-month assault on Tripoli by forces loyal to Haftar, which are backed by Russia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt.

“Any direct intervention from the Egyptian state has now acquired international legitimacy,” Sisi told an audience after inspecting military units at an air base near the border with Libya.

He said Egypt has the right to defend itself after receiving “direct threats” from “terrorist militias and mercenaries” supported by foreign countries, in an apparent reference to some armed groups loyal to the GNA and supported by Turkey.

The main aims of any intervention would include protecting Egypt’s 1,200-km (746-mile) western border, helping achieve a ceasefire, and restoring stability and peace in Libya, he said.
Analysis: ‘Libya becoming proxy battleground for foreign powers with eyes on coastline, oil fields’

Before his speech, Sisi addressed several air force pilots and special forces personnel at the base, telling them: “Be prepared to carry out any mission, here inside our borders - or if necessary, outside our borders.”

The UAE and Saudi Arabia expressed support for Egypt’s desire to protect its security and borders. There was no immediate reaction from Turkey or the GNA.

Earlier this month, Egypt called for a ceasefire in Libya as part of an initiative which also proposed an elected leadership council for the country.

While the United States, Russia and the UAE welcomed the plan, Turkey dismissed it as an attempt to save Haftar following his battlefield losses.

On Saturday Sisi said that Egypt has always been reluctant to intervene in Libya and wants a political solution to its conflict, but added that “the situation now is different”.

“If some people think that they can cross the Sirte-Jufra frontline, this is a red line for us,” he said before an audience that included some Libyan tribal leaders.

Sisi called on the two warring parties to respect the frontline and return to talks.

He also said Egypt could provide Libyan tribes with training and arms to fight the “terrorist militias”.

(REUTERS)


Sauce: https://www.france24.com/en/20200621-eg ... -necessary

I am not sure if this is just talk or if they're actually intending to intervene into Libya. If so it would be quite a thing that could turn the tide of the war.

Obligatory OP opinion: I am generally more sympathic to Hafter so I wouldn horribly mind it if it came to that. That being said, the egyptian intervention in Yemen in the 1960s was a total desaster and they cannot even keep the Sinai calm.


Egypt has a fairly decent military, and Turkey lacks a direct connection where they cannot be harassed as they move forces into Libya.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:31 pm

This may just be Egypt saber-rattling to distract from their poor overall handling of the coronavirus. But I suppose we'll see.

I have a hard time imagining that Egyptian intervention would improve... anything.


I'd be interested to hear what Arch thinks of this. Since he is (I believe) still living in Egypt. And is a fairly astute guy overall.
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Postby Cetacea » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:35 pm

Egypt appears to be amongst the more stable nations in the region and as a direct African neighbour has a right to defend its own border and a duty to provide support to its neighbours on humanitarian grounds (not just politics and religion as in Turkeys case)

A Pan-North African Union (strengthening the Agadir Agreement) would be great (if it were ever to happen) and might actual get some stability back to Libya
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:39 pm

Part of a general pattern of dictators falling and then the place turning into a total mess from the vacuum left.
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