Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[Thermodolia]

All of these rioters should be met with harsh punishments, but everyone is too cowardly to stop them.

Unlawfully toppling a statue ought to carry a year or two in jail, and vandalizing it can be met with community service.

Particularly I think the community service should be cleaning said statues

[Fahran]

Plus it’s on private property and can’t be removed no matter how much the right wingers bitch and moan. As id build it overlooking a major interstate

I'm not keen on Marx but I appreciate the equal opportunity trolling. Dewit.

Particularly I think the community service should be cleaning said statutes

Or having to play some role in reconstructing their replacements in the event that they're damaged. :^)

[Alcala-Cordel]

The Civil War was a battle between an evil power and a horrifically evil power. I'm very glad the Union won but they still don't deserve statues

Your demand for perfection is why your brand of True Communism™ will never succeed.

It already has succeeded in some parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Zap ... cipalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava (Thanks for reminding me Pangurstan)

If you want to put of a 700ft statue of Marx on your own property, that’s your choice. You can put a 700ft statue of Shrek on your property for all I care.

To be honest, erecting a gargantuan statue of Shrek would be wholly uncontroversial given that he's the protagonist of one of the best animated films of all time and presented an example of strong and memorable characterization as well as excellent character development as he embarked upon multiple stages of his life - epitomizing American story-telling and cinema. His story also imparts many wholesome values about friendship, learning to trust others, being ostracized despite being fundamentally decent, family, love, and parenthood.

Shrek would be good too, we could put a few of those up in place of statues of racists as well.

[Pangurstan]

Your demand for perfection is why your brand of True Communism™ will never succeed.

It already has succeeded in some parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Zap ... cipalities

Don’t forget Rojava

[Thermodolia]

Plus it’s on private property and can’t be removed no matter how much the right wingers bitch and moan. As id build it overlooking a major interstate

I'm not keen on Marx but I appreciate the equal opportunity trolling. Dewit.

Particularly I think the community service should be cleaning said statutes

Or having to play some role in reconstructing their replacements in the event that they're damaged. :^)

Oh neither am I but I cannot pass up such an opportunity to troll.

I’d also complete the troll with a 350ft statue of Lee, and a 500ft statue of Sherman flanking Marx

[Thermodolia]

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

Yes to Marx and Debs, no to the rest. Especially not Luxemburg

[Alcala-Cordel]

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

Besides, if we shouldn't have statues of slaveowners then we definitely shouldn't have statues of someone who invented an ideology that killed millions of people.

Ideologies don't kill people, and countries like the USSR and PRC were never communist. There's no such thing as a communist state.

[Thermodolia]

Besides, if we shouldn't have statues of slaveowners then we definitely shouldn't have statues of someone who invented an ideology that killed millions of people.

Ideologies don't kill people, and countries like the USSR and PRC were never communist. There's no such thing as a communist state.

Right because communism will never exist because it’s a utopia and attempting to create a communist society is futile

[Fahran]

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

Yes to Marx and Debs, no to the rest. Especially not Luxemburg

Luxemburg shouldn't be anywhere near as popular as she is but martyrdom is martyrdom, I suppose.

[Northern Davincia]

Your demand for perfection is why your brand of True Communism™ will never succeed.

It already has succeeded in some parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Zap ... cipalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava (Thanks for reminding me Pangurstan)

If you consider abysmal failure to be a success, I believe it is reasonable to keep you very far from any semblance of power.

[Kowani]

This is also bad. Nobody should get statues.

Perhaps an exception can be made for those which represent abstract concepts.

We're not putting up a statue of Kant, regardless of how much you and Swag might want one. :^)

Of course not. Kant sucks.

I want my 20 ft tall Stirner.

[Alcala-Cordel]

It already has succeeded in some parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Zap ... cipalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava (Thanks for reminding me Pangurstan)

If you consider abysmal failure to be a success, I believe it is reasonable to keep you very far from any semblance of power.

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

It's hard to be communist when the US and its allies will do anything to destroy you no matter the cost. It's almost like they're scared people will find out it works...

[Diarcesia]

It already has succeeded in some parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Zap ... cipalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava (Thanks for reminding me Pangurstan)

If you consider abysmal failure to be a success, I believe it is reasonable to keep you very far from any semblance of power.

Failure in the sense that they imploded Soviet Union style? Or failure because the powers that be couldn't countenance competition (i.e. they just got better guns and militaries)?

[Northern Davincia]

Besides, if we shouldn't have statues of slaveowners then we definitely shouldn't have statues of someone who invented an ideology that killed millions of people.

Ideologies don't kill people, and countries like the USSR and PRC were never communist. There's no such thing as a communist state.

Marx was pretty insistent that the state must gradually work towards communism through socialism, which the PRC and USSR attempted.

[Thermodolia]

If you consider abysmal failure to be a success, I believe it is reasonable to keep you very far from any semblance of power.

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

They should all end up like the first one.

[Fahran]

Failure in the sense that they imploded Soviet Union style? Or failure because the powers that be couldn't countenance competition (i.e. they just got better guns and militaries)?

All of those would constitute failure. And the Zapatistas haven't been suppressed yet, largely because the Mexican government has bigger fish to fry and Chiapas isn't really worth it at the moment.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Ideologies don't kill people, and countries like the USSR and PRC were never communist. There's no such thing as a communist state.

Marx was pretty insistent that the state must gradually work towards communism through socialism, which the PRC and USSR attempted.

They're not socialist either, they're tranitionary states that got hijacked and made state-capitalist by powerhungry opportunists. Marx also went back on the need for that later in his life.

[Northern Davincia]

If you consider abysmal failure to be a success, I believe it is reasonable to keep you very far from any semblance of power.

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

The second roils in poverty and banned alcohol of all things. In time, the third will fall to the Turks or the Syrians (authoritarianism notwithstanding).

[Kowani]

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

They should all end up like the first one.

Never really understood this idea among authsocs that any leftist government not founded on the principles of Stalin, Brezhnev and Andropov is a threat to True Socialism.

[Thermodolia]

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

The second roils in poverty and banned alcohol of all things. In time, the third will fall to the Turks or the Syrians (authoritarianism notwithstanding).

Even the USSR and PRC wherent dumb enough to ban the nectar of the gods

[Salus Maior]

Your demand for perfection is why your brand of True Communism™ will never succeed.

It already has succeeded in some parts of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Zap ... cipalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava (Thanks for reminding me Pangurstan)

The Paris commune is known for literally not succeeding. And Rojava will only last so long as the Syrian government allows it to.

Also the Zapatistas aren't communist, and have not achieved a communist society either. Nobody has achieved a communist society.

[Diarcesia]

The second roils in poverty and banned alcohol of all things. In time, the third will fall to the Turks or the Syrians (authoritarianism notwithstanding).

Even the USSR and PRC wherent dumb enough to ban the nectar of the gods

Just a gentle question on what these have to do with statues falling down.

[Alcala-Cordel]

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

They should all end up like the first one.

Why? Life was a nightmare in all those places before the revolutions, and the surviving regions both have popular support. Besides, people generally don't like it when other countries try to impose their will on them against their own wills.

[Salus Maior]

The first one was destroyed, the second one continues to be a great success, and the third one is getting on its feet.

The second roils in poverty and banned alcohol of all things. In time, the third will fall to the Turks or the Syrians (authoritarianism notwithstanding).

So much for freedom, eh?

[Northern Davincia]

Marx was pretty insistent that the state must gradually work towards communism through socialism, which the PRC and USSR attempted.

They're not socialist either, they're tranitionary states that got hijacked and made state-capitalist by powerhungry opportunists. Marx also went back on the need for that later in his life.

State capitalism doesn't exist, friend. Dictatorship of the proletariat is not going to be the libertarian entity you wish it to be.

Even the USSR and PRC wherent dumb enough to ban the nectar of the gods

Just a gentle question on what these have to do with statues falling down.

Replacing statues of great men with commies is a bad proposal.