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Postby Xmara » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:06 pm

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Purpelia wrote:Stalin is laughing in his grave right now.

No Stalin statues, that monster deserves no recognition

Well at least that’s something we can agree on
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Xmara wrote:I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

Proctopeo wrote:We should have statues of H.P. Lovecraft, as he represents the abstract concept of the primal terror of being constantly vilified long after your death.

Didn't he name his cat the N word or something


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Postby Duvniask » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:07 pm

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

Marx did nothing for the US. I fail to see why we should put up a statue of him.

Plenty of places have statues of people who "did nothing" for those specific places. Central Park in New York City has a statue of Hans Christian Andersen; he's never been to NYC or had anything to do with the US.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:10 pm

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Xmara wrote:Marx did nothing for the US. I fail to see why we should put up a statue of him.

Plenty of places have statues of people who "did nothing" for those specific places. Central Park in New York City has a statue of Hans Christian Andersen; he's never been to NYC or had anything to do with the US.

Okay, fine. Hans Christian Andersen can stay. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

But putting up a Marx statue? Forget it.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:10 pm

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Rojava Free State wrote:Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist
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So you want to take down statues of Lincoln and Grant? Despite them being the ones that fought to end slavery in the South?

Yes.

Fahran wrote:Out of curiosity, which historical figures should be honored with monuments if any?


Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc



But why Lincoln and Grant though? They literally fought to end slavery in the South and defeated the Confederacy.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:15 pm

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist

Yes.



Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc



But why Lincoln and Grant though? They literally fought to end slavery in the South and defeated the Confederacy.

The Civil War was a battle between an evil power and a horrifically evil power. I'm very glad the Union won but they still don't deserve statues
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:21 pm

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist

Yes.



Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc



But why Lincoln and Grant though? They literally fought to end slavery in the South and defeated the Confederacy.

Because if you're not the perfect far-leftist, you are undeserving of any respect.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:27 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

Only two or three of these people warrant honor within the context of the American political community and limiting who we honor solely to them would be extremely problematic to the American political community on the whole.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:29 pm

Kowani wrote:This is also bad. Nobody should get statues.

Perhaps an exception can be made for those which represent abstract concepts.

We're not putting up a statue of Kant, regardless of how much you and Swag might want one. :^)

Alcala-Cordel wrote:He permanently vhanged the world by laying the groundwork for communism, he deserves statues

I don't really want the government erecting statues of Jesus and I think your preferred secular theologian has even less to offer our political community than said religious figure.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:30 pm

Xmara wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Plenty of places have statues of people who "did nothing" for those specific places. Central Park in New York City has a statue of Hans Christian Andersen; he's never been to NYC or had anything to do with the US.

Okay, fine. Hans Christian Andersen can stay. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

But putting up a Marx statue? Forget it.

Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:31 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Aeritai wrote:

But why Lincoln and Grant though? They literally fought to end slavery in the South and defeated the Confederacy.

The Civil War was a battle between an evil power and a horrifically evil power. I'm very glad the Union won but they still don't deserve statues

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:31 pm

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Xmara wrote:Okay, fine. Hans Christian Andersen can stay. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

But putting up a Marx statue? Forget it.

Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.


I'm sure there are statues of Marx in the U.S.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

>Having that much accumulated capital
>Investing it in constructing a statue in the likeness of a man who would have been salty about that

Not gonna lie, I'm impressed.

Salus Maior wrote:I'm sure there are statues of Marx in the U.S.

There are. They haven't been a prime target of vandalism despite him using the n-word repeatedly in correspondence.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:33 pm

Xmara wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

Besides, if we shouldn't have statues of slaveowners then we definitely shouldn't have statues of someone who invented an ideology that killed millions of people.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:33 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Xmara wrote:Okay, fine. Hans Christian Andersen can stay. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

But putting up a Marx statue? Forget it.

Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

Therm, have you seen the eternal light of private property rights?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:33 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Aeritai wrote:

But why Lincoln and Grant though? They literally fought to end slavery in the South and defeated the Confederacy.

The Civil War was a battle between an evil power and a horrifically evil power. I'm very glad the Union won but they still don't deserve statues

This is crazy talk, but to be expected from a libertarian socialist
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:34 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

Therm, have you seen the eternal light of private property rights?

This is so cursed.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

Therm, have you seen the eternal light of private property rights?

Ive never really been against private property.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:35 pm

Fahran wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Therm, have you seen the eternal light of private property rights?

This is so cursed.

Hope, not Hoppe. Hope, not Hoppe.

Come to Ancapistan™ where you can pay your respects to the enormous Marx statue in the private town square.
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All of these rioters should be met with harsh punishments, but everyone is too cowardly to stop them.

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Postby Xmara » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Xmara wrote:Okay, fine. Hans Christian Andersen can stay. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

But putting up a Marx statue? Forget it.

Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

I’m talking about putting the statue public property.

If you want to put of a 700ft statue of Marx on your own property, that’s your choice. You can put a 700ft statue of Shrek on your property for all I care.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Xmara wrote:Okay, fine. Hans Christian Andersen can stay. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

But putting up a Marx statue? Forget it.

Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

I personally support your right to waste your money however you see fit, but I can't imagine that the zoning board would be too pleased with this...
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:38 pm

Fahran wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

>Having that much accumulated capital
>Investing it in constructing a statue in the likeness of a man who would have been salty about that

Not gonna lie, I'm impressed.


Plus it’s on private property and can’t be removed no matter how much the right wingers bitch and moan. As id build it overlooking a major interstate
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:38 pm

North American Environmental Alliance wrote:All of these rioters should be met with harsh punishments, but everyone is too cowardly to stop them.

Unlawfully toppling a statue ought to carry a year or two in jail, and vandalizing it can be met with community service.
Xmara wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why not? If I want to put up a massive 700ft statue of Marx on my own property then I can.

I’m talking about putting the statue public property.

If you want to put of a 700ft statue of Marx on your own property, that’s your choice. You can put a 700ft statue of Shrek on your property for all I care.

I am in favor of this 700ft Shrek statue.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:39 pm

Xmara wrote:If you want to put of a 700ft statue of Marx on your own property, that’s your choice. You can put a 700ft statue of Shrek on your property for all I care.

To be honest, erecting a gargantuan statue of Shrek would be wholly uncontroversial given that he's the protagonist of one of the best animated films of all time and presented an example of strong and memorable characterization as well as excellent character development as he embarked upon multiple stages of his life - epitomizing American story-telling and cinema. His story also imparts many wholesome values about friendship, learning to trust others, being ostracized despite being fundamentally decent, family, love, and parenthood.
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