Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[The Emerald Legion]

It's hardly an established fact that they had multiple children. The DNA 'evidence' was 'discovered' in 1998.

That's nearly two hundred years after Jefferson died. And even the 'evidence' only indicated he might have been the father.

Literally no evidence exists that this was the case, and it wasn't even an idea in people's minds until hundreds of years after they were all dead.

The whole movement to think he was, is entirely founded on the suspicions of a woman who made her living using Freudian Psychology to psychoanalyze historical figures in the 1950's.

I don't follow how DNA evidence not being discovered until DNA evidence was invented somehow makes the claim untrue.

Well. Largely because DNA evidence is murky at times. And in this case, they didn't even test an actual descendant of Thomas Jefferson, they tested descendants of Thomas Jefferson's Uncle. Two hundred years after the fact.

So yes, I'm going to doubt a combination of Freudian psychonalysis and DNA evidence from a totally different person hundreds of years after the events in question. Because it wasn't even suspected until hundreds of years later.

So yeah. No.

[The Emerald Legion]

Hmmm? Much of that seems to be centered on slave equals rape.

One would ask is if Sally was simply property; why would Jefferson pay her a wage when they lived in France?

If he was raping her all the time; why didn't she make a run for it?

I will admit my knowledge of her history is basic at best. Some things are a tad more in depth then simply she was a slave so he raped her.

Anyway....

https://www.monticello.org/sallyhemings/ I suggest reading this to understand Sally's relationship with Jefferson.

I would suggest not reading historical fanfiction for truthgathering purposes.

[Aeritai]

https://www.monticello.org/sallyhemings/ I suggest reading this to understand Sally's relationship with Jefferson.

I would suggest not reading historical fanfiction for truthgathering purposes.

How is it historical fanfiction when it's a Museum explaining the history of Jefferson?

[The Emerald Legion]

I would suggest not reading historical fanfiction for truthgathering purposes.

How is it historical fanfiction when it's a Museum explaining the history of Jefferson?

Because museums have never been wrong or built to perpetuate untruthful things before.

[Xmara]

How is it historical fanfiction when it's a Museum explaining the history of Jefferson?

Because museums have never been wrong or built to perpetuate untruthful things before.

Monticello was literally Jefferson’s estate

[The Emerald Legion]

Because museums have never been wrong or built to perpetuate untruthful things before.

Monticello was literally Jefferson’s estate

And? He's been long dead for years. He's not running the estate now is he?

[Fahran]

Hamilton sided with the bankers, ergo he deserves everlasting condemnation. Jefferson was (politically) superior.

>Supporting the French Revolution
>Politically superior

You get one, anon.

[Northern Davincia]

Hamilton sided with the bankers, ergo he deserves everlasting condemnation. Jefferson was (politically) superior.

>Supporting the French Revolution
>Politically superior

You get one, anon.

Fahran, you're not an Anglophile, are you?

[Dresderstan]

>Supporting the French Revolution
>Politically superior

You get one, anon.

Fahran, you're not an Anglophile, are you?

I can't speak for her, and frankly I don't think she is, but I am.

[Fahran]

Fahran, you're not an Anglophile, are you?

Forever stanning Perfidious Albion. :^)

To bring us back on topic, despite my political disagreements with Jefferson and my strong belief that slavery is a degenerate practice and institution that should always be suppressed through any legal and moral means, I still think monuments and statues honoring Jefferson serve an important purpose in the context of the American nation and state. The arguments in favor of iconoclasm are much weaker than those in favor of preservation.

[Rojava Free State]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

[Proctopeo]

Many of them are quite open about hating America as an idea, community, and entity so the onus is on them to leave.

Hating a government is not hating a country. I'm a Zimbabwean and proud of it, but would I show my president or parliament even a lick of respect? Fuck no.

The vast majority of the American left does not hate America, no matter how much people with no better argument then love it or leave it want to believe.

"Vast majority" is definitely an overstatement, but I'd be willing to believe "most".

It's hard to know for sure, though, as the actively malicious sorts are rather noisy, and their clamor pollutes the beliefs of those who aren't malicious. Well, the malicious American leftists and the Democrat party.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

That would just make too much sense.

[Fahran]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

Leave Jefferson alone! You're lucky he'd even declare independence for you bastards!

[Alcala-Cordel]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist

We should take all the memorials to presidents down except for Reagan's grave, we should build a restroom on top of that that empties into his coffin


I don't have Twitter, I just have this thing against genocides in 3rd world countries and mass parasitism by an upper class.

So you want to take down statues of Lincoln and Grant? Despite them being the ones that fought to end slavery in the South?

Yes.

Out of curiosity, which historical figures should be honored with monuments if any?

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

[Greater Miami Shores]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

I want our governments to protect all of them, tearing down, burning statues and monuments is a crime under US laws. law and order under the laws is not BS.

[Proctopeo]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist

So you want to take down statues of Lincoln and Grant? Despite them being the ones that fought to end slavery in the South?

Yes.

Not surprising given that you're "anti USA" and "pro Marxism".

[Kowani]

Can we just leave Jefferson alone?

No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist

So you want to take down statues of Lincoln and Grant? Despite them being the ones that fought to end slavery in the South?

Yes.

Out of curiosity, which historical figures should be honored with monuments if any?

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

This is also bad. Nobody should get statues.

Perhaps an exception can be made for those which represent abstract concepts.

[Xmara]

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

[Proctopeo]

No, he was a slaveowner and a rapist

Yes.



Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

This is also bad. Nobody should get statues.

Perhaps an exception can be made for those which represent abstract concepts.

We should have statues of H.P. Lovecraft, as he represents the abstract concept of the primal terror of being constantly vilified long after your death.

[Duvniask]

This is also bad. Nobody should get statues.

Perhaps an exception can be made for those which represent abstract concepts.

Why not if they represent someone the community holds in high esteem or considers deserving of recognition somehow?

[Alcala-Cordel]

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Malcolm X, Peter Kropotkin, W.E.B. Dubois, Eugene V. Debs, etc

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

This is also bad. Nobody should get statues.

Perhaps an exception can be made for those which represent abstract concepts.

We should have statues of H.P. Lovecraft, as he represents the abstract concept of the primal terror of being constantly vilified long after your death.

Didn't he name his cat the N word or something

[Purpelia]

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

Stalin is laughing in his grave right now.

[Xmara]

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the US is not communist. A monument to Karl Marx would not go over well at all.

They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

Marx did nothing for the US. I fail to see why we should put up a statue of him.

[Alcala-Cordel]

They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

Stalin is laughing in his grave right now.

No Stalin statues, that monster deserves no recognition

They're not the statues we will put up, they're the statues we should be putting up.

Marx did nothing for the US. I fail to see why we should put up a statue of him.

He permanently vhanged the world by laying the groundwork for communism, he deserves statues