Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[Northern Davincia]

If the fixing part is not addressed, the tearing down solved little.

A system cannot be fixed until the rot is burned away.

The Federal Reserve still stands.

[The Black Forrest]

A system cannot be fixed until the rot is burned away.

The Federal Reserve still stands.

Thank God!

[Northern Davincia]

The Federal Reserve still stands.

Thank God!

I have never found a more venomous pit of vipers than bankers.

[Kragholm Free States]

If the fixing part is not addressed, the tearing down solved little.

A system cannot be fixed until the rot is burned away.

Art is not rot, it is what reminds us that we are human. This iconoclastic crusade shits only on the artist, for whom the product of hours, days, weeks spent toiling away with hammer and chisel is their only lasting legacy in the world. Is it right that the fruits of one man's labour be torn apart for the moral failings of another?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Thank God!

I have never found a more venomous pit of vipers than bankers.

As an AnCap you should realize how ironic that sounds, considering banks and bankers are the epitome of capital in which your ideology holds in such high regard.

[The Black Forrest]

Thank God!

I have never found a more venomous pit of vipers than bankers.

You could quoted Obi-Wan

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."

[Northern Davincia]

I have never found a more venomous pit of vipers than bankers.

As an AnCap you should realize how ironic that sounds, considering banks and bankers are the epitome of capital in which your ideology holds in such high regard.

Banks can never be trusted but government banks are far worse.

I have never found a more venomous pit of vipers than bankers.

You could quoted Obi-Wan

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."

I will keep this in mind if the opportunity presents itself again.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

As an AnCap you should realize how ironic that sounds, considering banks and bankers are the epitome of capital in which your ideology holds in such high regard.

Banks can never be trusted but government banks are far worse.

Holders of capital can't be trusted? Your AnCap card has now been revoked, comrade, please report to your nearest commissar for your complimentary and mandatory membership badge of the Global Socialist Commune.

[The Russian Democratic Federal Republic]

Ngl thats pretty fucking stupid. If you destroy everything that has bad history behind it, you're just gonna get rid of most of history.

That is exactly what I’ve had on my mind, these last weeks. They keep tearing down statues of people who owned slaves. One mess-up doesn’t turn Washington into Hitler. That’s not how legacy works. And plus, this is like a child tattling on an older sibling, about something they did 4 months ago. It’s partly irrelevant. They are just saying these things, just to help the BLM protests. You are not helping the situation. You are just making the fire bigger. “We Didn’t Start The Fire” by Billy Joel, makes a big reference to our world’s going’s-on right about now. This is what he meant, this “fire”, which is Racial Injustice/Racial Inequality in our current case, is, yes, something started by people in history. But you need to help STOP it, not make it WORSE. I’ll tell you this, it’s those stupid Anarchist Liberals. No common sense whatsoever.

Likes: Christianity, Mormonism/LDS Church, Communitarianism, Social-Democracy, Bernie Sanders, World Peace, Non-Corrupt Government, Racial/Social/Political/Economic Equality, Socialism, Democracy, Progressivism, USA, Free-Market, Leftism, Russia, Putin, UN, Law & Order.

Neutral: Trump & Brexit.

Dislikes: Liberalism, Anarchism, Injustice, Inequality, Capitalism, Rightism, Conservatism, Libertarianism, LGBTQIAA+.



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[Northern Davincia]

Banks can never be trusted but government banks are far worse.

Holders of capital can't be trusted? Your AnCap card has now been revoked, comrade, please report to your nearest commissar for your complimentary and mandatory membership badge of the Global Socialist Commune.

P-please, I can't lose my discounts at the Ancap lodge!

[Kowani]

A system cannot be fixed until the rot is burned away.

Art is not rot, it is what reminds us that we are human. This iconoclastic crusade shits only on the artist, for whom the product of hours, days, weeks spent toiling away with hammer and chisel is their only lasting legacy in the world. Is it right that the fruits of one man's labour be torn apart for the moral failings of another?

If your art is created to make an exemplar of, to honor someone who has committed great wrongdoings, then no tears should be shed when it is shown to be a fraud in the cold light of day.

[The Alma Mater]

Ngl thats pretty fucking stupid. If you destroy everything that has bad history behind it, you're just gonna get rid of most of history.

That is exactly what I’ve had on my mind, these last weeks. They keep tearing down statues of people who owned slaves. One mess-up doesn’t turn Washington into Hitler. That’s not how legacy works. And plus, this is like a child tattling on an older sibling, about something they did 4 months ago. It’s partly irrelevant. They are just saying these things, just to help the BLM protests. You are not helping the situation. You are just making the fire bigger. “We Didn’t Start The Fire” by Billy Joel, makes a big reference to our world’s going’s-on right about now. This is what he meant, this “fire”, which is Racial Injustice/Racial Inequality in our current case, is, yes, something started by people in history. But you need to help STOP it, not make it WORSE. I’ll tell you this, it’s those stupid Anarchist Liberals. No common sense whatsoever.

Likes: Christianity, Mormonism/LDS Church, Communitarianism, Social-Democracy, Bernie Sanders, World Peace, Non-Corrupt Government, Racial/Social/Political/Economic Equality, Socialism, Democracy, Progressivism, USA, Free-Market, Leftism, Russia, Putin, UN, Law & Order.

Neutral: Trump & Brexit.

Dislikes: Liberalism, Anarchism, Injustice, Inequality, Capitalism, Rightism, Conservatism, Libertarianism, LGBTQIAA+.




12 yr old cisgender heterosexual male human boi who like politics. And likes Chipotle on the regular. Also doesn’t know why he’s playing an online country game with friends... :/

Well, that is an original way to circumvent the sig limit...

[Northern Davincia]

Art is not rot, it is what reminds us that we are human. This iconoclastic crusade shits only on the artist, for whom the product of hours, days, weeks spent toiling away with hammer and chisel is their only lasting legacy in the world. Is it right that the fruits of one man's labour be torn apart for the moral failings of another?

If your art is created to make an exemplar of, to honor someone who has committed great wrongdoings, then no tears should be shed when it is shown to be a fraud in the cold light of day.

Who among us is truly innocent? I find that men are worthy of being honored when they have done profound good, although I do not imagine you to have a conception of good or evil.

[Kragholm Free States]

Art is not rot, it is what reminds us that we are human. This iconoclastic crusade shits only on the artist, for whom the product of hours, days, weeks spent toiling away with hammer and chisel is their only lasting legacy in the world. Is it right that the fruits of one man's labour be torn apart for the moral failings of another?

If your art is created to make an exemplar of, to honor someone who has committed great wrongdoings, then no tears should be shed when it is shown to be a fraud in the cold light of day.

Fraud? There is no fraud in depicting a person, no fraud in honouring them for the good deeds that they did, even if they also did terrible deeds. Honouring the good does not prevent us from knowing of or abhorring the bad, nor from striving to be better in the future.

And even if it was fraud, would that be reason to destroy it? Plenty of works of art present fraudulent impressions of figures and events, often deliberately so - would it be right to grind down every piece of stone or set a torch to every canvas guilty of such an offence?

[Kowani]

If your art is created to make an exemplar of, to honor someone who has committed great wrongdoings, then no tears should be shed when it is shown to be a fraud in the cold light of day.

Who among us is truly innocent? I find that men are worthy of being honored when they have done profound good, although I do not imagine you to have a conception of good or evil.

Shrug

I believe I've advocated for no statues of people in the past, save for perhaps statues that represent abstract concepts or large groups of people.
Hell, I fully support statues of confederate soldiers (though not the leaders), as long as they stay in cemetaries.

If your art is created to make an exemplar of, to honor someone who has committed great wrongdoings, then no tears should be shed when it is shown to be a fraud in the cold light of day.

Fraud? There is no fraud in depicting a person, no fraud in honouring them for the good deeds that they did, even if they also did terrible deeds. Honouring the good does not prevent us from knowing of or abhorring the bad, nor from striving to be better in the future.

Statues deify, they deny nuanced conversation by reinforcing the cultural narrative that minimizes the negative. They do not merely say "honor the good", they implicitly say that the bad is negligible.

And even if it was fraud, would that be reason to destroy it? Plenty of works of art present fraudulent impressions of figures and events, often deliberately so - would it be right to grind down every piece of stone or set a torch to every canvas guilty of such an offence?

If the culture it belongs to no longer exists-say, Sumerian or Roman, no. If it does, I will not protest.

[Stellar Colonies]

Ngl thats pretty fucking stupid. If you destroy everything that has bad history behind it, you're just gonna get rid of most of history.

That is exactly what I’ve had on my mind, these last weeks. They keep tearing down statues of people who owned slaves. One mess-up doesn’t turn Washington into Hitler. That’s not how legacy works. And plus, this is like a child tattling on an older sibling, about something they did 4 months ago. It’s partly irrelevant. They are just saying these things, just to help the BLM protests. You are not helping the situation. You are just making the fire bigger. “We Didn’t Start The Fire” by Billy Joel, makes a big reference to our world’s going’s-on right about now. This is what he meant, this “fire”, which is Racial Injustice/Racial Inequality in our current case, is, yes, something started by people in history. But you need to help STOP it, not make it WORSE. I’ll tell you this, it’s those stupid Anarchist Liberals. No common sense whatsoever.

Likes: Christianity, Mormonism/LDS Church, Communitarianism, Social-Democracy, Bernie Sanders, World Peace, Non-Corrupt Government, Racial/Social/Political/Economic Equality, Socialism, Democracy, Progressivism, USA, Free-Market, Leftism, Russia, Putin, UN, Law & Order.

Neutral: Trump & Brexit.

Dislikes: Liberalism, Anarchism, Injustice, Inequality, Capitalism, Rightism, Conservatism, Libertarianism, LGBTQIAA+.




12 yr old cisgender heterosexual male human boi who like politics. And likes Chipotle on the regular. Also doesn’t know why he’s playing an online country game with friends... :/

12?

[Kragholm Free States]

Statues deify, they deny nuanced conversation by reinforcing the cultural narrative that minimizes the negative. They do not merely say "honor the good", they implicitly say that the bad is negligible.

No they don't.

If the culture it belongs to no longer exists-say, Sumerian or Roman, no. If it does, I will not protest.

And how do you define a different culture? Where do you set the boundary of what is similar enough to be "the same"? Eighteenth century American culture no longer exists - is modern American culture really that similar? Couple that with all cultures having influences from elsewhere - your example of Rome is highly applicable in that regard - and it becomes impossible to neatly distinguish between them.

All you're doing is picking "things I like" and "things I don't like" and manufacturing something that sounds meaningful to cover up that fact.

[Cisairse]

replace all the statues of hamilton with statues of lin and see if anyone notices

[Northern Davincia]

replace all the statues of hamilton with statues of lin and see if anyone notices

Modernism is a disease, no need to worsen the symptoms.

[Kowani]

Statues deify, they deny nuanced conversation by reinforcing the cultural narrative that minimizes the negative. They do not merely say "honor the good", they implicitly say that the bad is negligible.

No they don't.

Let it be known that on July 7th, Kragholm Free States committed the greatest rebuttal ever to grace the face of NSG.

If the culture it belongs to no longer exists-say, Sumerian or Roman, no. If it does, I will not protest.

And how do you define a different culture? Where do you set the boundary of what is similar enough to be "the same"? Eighteenth century American culture no longer exists - is modern American culture really that similar? Couple that with all cultures having influences from elsewhere - your example of Rome is highly applicable in that regard - and it becomes impossible to neatly distinguish between them.

The same standard SCOTUS uses for pornography: You know it when you see it.

All you're doing is picking "things I like" and "things I don't like" and manufacturing something that sounds meaningful to cover up that fact.

...Yeah, that's how all politics work, thank you for playing.

[Esotyrica]

Statues deify, they deny nuanced conversation by reinforcing the cultural narrative that minimizes the negative. They do not merely say "honor the good", they implicitly say that the bad is negligible.

this is a stupid take

where do the statues say this

[Kragholm Free States]

Let it be known that on July 7th, Kragholm Free States committed the greatest rebuttal ever to grace the face of NSG.

...Yeah, that's how all politics work, thank you for playing.

Not really a good look to call me out on a lazy rebuttal and then go "hurr durr that's just how it works lol", is it?

[Farnhamia]

Let it be known that on July 7th, Kragholm Free States committed the greatest rebuttal ever to grace the face of NSG.

...Yeah, that's how all politics work, thank you for playing.

Not really a good look to call me out on a lazy rebuttal and then go "hurr durr that's just how it works lol", is it?

thats just how NS works dumbass

edit: orders have just come in from HQ that i am to edit out the "thats just how NS works dumbass"

in light of these recent developments from HQ i would like to inform the moderation team that this is snark. this is meant to be a haha funny moment. the joke here is that the person above, in spite of having a higher post count than i do, does not understand how the nationstates general forum works. likewise, the (hopeful) absurdism of the statement echoes the following from above: "Not really a good look to call me out on a lazy rebuttal and then go "hurr durr that's just how it works lol", is it?" because kowani's take was arguably bad. i wish to let the moderation team know that this is my credit card information, my SSID, and my paypal so that i may reimburse anyone offended by my e-snark:

[Kragholm Free States]

I'll do you the grace of not quoting that so you can edit it before the mods get here. Because that is how NS works.

[The Russian Democratic Federal Republic]

That is exactly what I’ve had on my mind, these last weeks. They keep tearing down statues of people who owned slaves. One mess-up doesn’t turn Washington into Hitler. That’s not how legacy works. And plus, this is like a child tattling on an older sibling, about something they did 4 months ago. It’s partly irrelevant. They are just saying these things, just to help the BLM protests. You are not helping the situation. You are just making the fire bigger. “We Didn’t Start The Fire” by Billy Joel, makes a big reference to our world’s going’s-on right about now. This is what he meant, this “fire”, which is Racial Injustice/Racial Inequality in our current case, is, yes, something started by people in history. But you need to help STOP it, not make it WORSE. I’ll tell you this, it’s those stupid Anarchist Liberals. No common sense whatsoever.

Likes: Christianity, Mormonism/LDS Church, Communitarianism, Social-Democracy, Bernie Sanders, World Peace, Non-Corrupt Government, Racial/Social/Political/Economic Equality, Socialism, Democracy, Progressivism, USA, Free-Market, Leftism, Russia, Putin, UN, Law & Order.

Neutral: Trump & Brexit.

Dislikes: Liberalism, Anarchism, Injustice, Inequality, Capitalism, Rightism, Conservatism, Libertarianism, LGBTQIAA+.




12 yr old cisgender heterosexual male human boi who like politics. And likes Chipotle on the regular. Also doesn’t know why he’s playing an online country game with friends... :/

12?

I’m 13. That was a typo.