Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[Heloin]

So some stupid people apparently knocked-over and stole a statue of Frederick Douglass, according to CNN.

These people unironically have no idea what they are doing. This is ridiculous. They're just attacking everything. These anarchists and uneducated mad-people are gonna be the reason that true, good reform does not happen. They are ruining everything which will actually help black communities. Imagine being so stupid that one knocks over a statue of Frederick Douglass in the name of stopping oppression against black people. They don't care about racism. At this point they're going to implode. Watch.

What's more likely? Someone who supports BLM or some anarchist knocked down the Frederick Douglass statue? Or a bigot who hates that people are knocking down confederate statutes knocked it down? We don't know who knocked it down yet but there's a much more likely answer.

[Luminesa]

So some stupid people apparently knocked-over and stole a statue of Frederick Douglass, according to CNN.

These people unironically have no idea what they are doing. This is ridiculous. They're just attacking everything. These anarchists and uneducated mad-people are gonna be the reason that true, good reform does not happen. They are ruining everything which will actually help black communities. Imagine being so stupid that one knocks over a statue of Frederick Douglass in the name of stopping oppression against black people. They don't care about racism. At this point they're going to implode. Watch.

Alternatively: BLM didn't do it.

Well that's not what I was insinuating, but some anarchists or whatever tore down the statue. I wonder where they put it, if they didn't destroy it.

[Heloin]

I am an ethno-nationalist. Though being British I am primarily interested in Anglo-Celtic British nationalism rather than the hybrid breed of pan-European nationalism that many American notsocs seem to go in for. The term 'white' is of little interest to me personally but that is the dichotomy used in the US.

Alright then, well at least you aren't a racial nationalist, but still bruh, most people aren't coming after you.

Different flavours of racism are like different flavours of vanilla ice cream.

[Proctopeo]

So some stupid people apparently knocked-over and stole a statue of Frederick Douglass, according to CNN.

These people unironically have no idea what they are doing. This is ridiculous. They're just attacking everything. These anarchists and uneducated mad-people are gonna be the reason that true, good reform does not happen. They are ruining everything which will actually help black communities. Imagine being so stupid that one knocks over a statue of Frederick Douglass in the name of stopping oppression against black people. They don't care about racism. At this point they're going to implode. Watch.

What's more likely? Someone who supports BLM or some anarchist knocked down the Frederick Douglass statue? Or a bigot who hates that people are knocking down confederate statutes knocked it down? We don't know who knocked it down yet but there's a much more likely answer.

It's hard to know for certain, though I haven't heard much about anti-black racists knocking down statues...

[Luminesa]

So some stupid people apparently knocked-over and stole a statue of Frederick Douglass, according to CNN.

These people unironically have no idea what they are doing. This is ridiculous. They're just attacking everything. These anarchists and uneducated mad-people are gonna be the reason that true, good reform does not happen. They are ruining everything which will actually help black communities. Imagine being so stupid that one knocks over a statue of Frederick Douglass in the name of stopping oppression against black people. They don't care about racism. At this point they're going to implode. Watch.

What's more likely? Someone who supports BLM or some anarchist knocked down the Frederick Douglass statue? Or a bigot who hates that people are knocking down confederate statutes knocked it down? We don't know who knocked it down yet but there's a much more likely answer.

I mean there are a lot of uneducated people in the US who don't even know who Frederick Douglass is. Our history education in the US is so bad that I'm sure it could be anyone in any of those groups, because there are stupid people in every batch, but I was suggesting it was some anarchist because there are just some people who genuinely want to watch the world burn right now.

[Heloin]

Alternatively: BLM didn't do it.

Well that's not what I was insinuating, but some anarchists or whatever tore down the statue.

It's clear you weren't. What you insinuated doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I wonder where they put it, if they didn't destroy it.

It was destroyed in the park.
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/fre ... ster-park/

[Hrythingland]

Really?

Whiteness must be abolished? The 'Browning of the West'? The writing out of folk heroes with diversity actors? Low white birth rates to high ethnic minority birth rates? Yet we are told simultaneously that whilst white people must have fewer children, consider sterilisation, spurn family life etc but that we also NEED mass immigration.
I don't think there is a hivemind conspiracy but I think there is growing consensus amongst Davos and other such cosmopolitan types that the world, particularly the west would be more manageable if our identity was utterly ground down and we were just reduced to an amorphous grey mass of consumers and some producers, malleable to any part of the world and with no higher values than receiving our monthly pay packet.

Why do you speak of western culture like only whites can promote it? Immigration in itself isn't bad as long as the immigrants integrate.

Just FYI by the way, most of the so called non white immigrants to America and Europe are actually caucasian and look virtually indistinguishable from people in Europe, like for example the Syrians.

Non whites can, but they are often viewed as uncle toms by their identity group for being overt about it. A migrant from Uganda will never be English or Welsh, in much the same strand that the Ugandans don't view whites who have lived there for generations as Ugandan. It is more about group identity. Were you to kidnap a young child from a different culture and bring them up isolated from their own kin, whilst physical differences might lead to some eyebrows raised, they can more or less 'integrate'. But if you transplant whole communities then they will just go on living as they would at home with the same customs and identity. I would never consider moving to another country because I am British and would not wish to make anything else: and I think it would be wrong of me to live somewhere else and not assimilate. So I won't. Therefore I view people who are able to abandon the heritage of their ancestors as quite suspicious.

[Fahran]

well at least you aren't a racial nationalist

Ethno-nationalism is just as bad tbh.

Cultural nationalism though is the greatest good. :^)

[Heloin]

What's more likely? Someone who supports BLM or some anarchist knocked down the Frederick Douglass statue? Or a bigot who hates that people are knocking down confederate statutes knocked it down? We don't know who knocked it down yet but there's a much more likely answer.

It's hard to know for certain, though I haven't heard much about anti-black racists knocking down statues...

They more often put nooses around them but maybe they've moved on in the world.

[Proctopeo]

It's hard to know for certain, though I haven't heard much about anti-black racists knocking down statues...

They more often put nooses around them but maybe they've moved on in the world.

From what I've heard, they're content with sitting back and let BLM and the anarchists make asses of themselves.

[Luminesa]

Well that's not what I was insinuating, but some anarchists or whatever tore down the statue.

It's clear you weren't. What you insinuated doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I wonder where they put it, if they didn't destroy it.

It was destroyed in the park.
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/fre ... ster-park/

If I do sound nonsensical, it's because I have been running on some two hours of quality sleep for the last 12 hours or so. But I'm saying that people have been tearing down statues of other people who were against slavery (St. Junipero Serra), which is insane, and this could be a continuation of this wave of tearing down statues of people who actually weren't racist.

[Ethel mermania]

What's more likely? Someone who supports BLM or some anarchist knocked down the Frederick Douglass statue? Or a bigot who hates that people are knocking down confederate statutes knocked it down? We don't know who knocked it down yet but there's a much more likely answer.

It's hard to know for certain, though I haven't heard much about anti-black racists knocking down statues...

Knocking down Douglass on july 4th sounds like someone who has read half their history.

[The Two Jerseys]

Yeah there is no way BLM did this, I'm pretty sure a different group did this.

I don't know, BLM have precedent for going after statues of abolitionists and former slaves. It's not that far fetched to suggest they were behind this one too.

I'd give BLM 200-1 odds because some of them just might be stupid enough to have done it.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't know, BLM have precedent for going after statues of abolitionists and former slaves. It's not that far fetched to suggest they were behind this one too.

I'd give BLM 200-1 odds because some of them just might be stupid enough to have done it.

You know there are actual white supremacists out there who could have done this, right?

[Rusozak]

Tit for tat. If white people are getting taken down, we're going to take down black people.

LMFAO.

I hope you aren't supporting this because this isn't a race war. The confederates were evil because they were evil, not because they were white. It wasn't the clothes that they wore, the color of their skin or their religion, they were just wicked men.

And literal traitors that warred against the country. Let's not forget that.

[Rojava Free State]

I hope you aren't supporting this because this isn't a race war. The confederates were evil because they were evil, not because they were white. It wasn't the clothes that they wore, the color of their skin or their religion, they were just wicked men.

And literal traitors that warred against the country. Let's not forget that.

All around douchebags fr.

[The Two Jerseys]

I'd give BLM 200-1 odds because some of them just might be stupid enough to have done it.

You know there are actual white supremacists out there who could have done this, right?

That's why I'm only giving BLM 200-1.

[Heloin]

I'd give BLM 200-1 odds because some of them just might be stupid enough to have done it.

You know there are actual white supremacists out there who could have done this, right?

That's why he gave them such long odds. It's still technically likely cause there are some idiots in the world, but still very unlikely.

[Luminesa]

I'd give BLM 200-1 odds because some of them just might be stupid enough to have done it.

You know there are actual white supremacists out there who could have done this, right?

It's very possible. I don't think anyone is making a definite decision on who did it, I'm just frustrated because it seems more and more that the statues coming down are not actually-awful people like Jefferson Davis. It's turning more and more that statues are coming down for increasingly vague reasons. If Frederick Douglass is a possible target, than anyone is. If Robert the Bruce and St. Louis IX are targets, despite having nothing to do with corrupt police departments, the murders of black people, or slavery, then anyone is a target. Who is next? Sojourner Truth? Harriet Tubman? St. Martin de Porres? I don't even know anymore.

[Almorea]

I am ashamed to see statues of George Washington pulled down. Even if 2020 is remembered as a year of immense positive change, those images will forever be a dark reflection on contemporary times. There is no place for that behavior in the United States.

[Ethel mermania]

You know there are actual white supremacists out there who could have done this, right?

It's very possible. I don't think anyone is making a definite decision on who did it, I'm just frustrated because it seems more and more that the statues coming down are not actually-awful people like Jefferson Davis. It's turning more and more that statues are coming down for increasingly vague reasons. If Frederick Douglass is a possible target, than anyone is. If Robert the Bruce and St. Louis IX are targets, despite having nothing to do with corrupt police departments, the murders of black people, or slavery, then anyone is a target. Who is next? Sojourner Truth? Harriet Tubman? St. Martin de Porres? I don't even know anymore.

This was my favorite.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/shaw-54th- ... /32733306#

[Luminesa]

It's very possible. I don't think anyone is making a definite decision on who did it, I'm just frustrated because it seems more and more that the statues coming down are not actually-awful people like Jefferson Davis. It's turning more and more that statues are coming down for increasingly vague reasons. If Frederick Douglass is a possible target, than anyone is. If Robert the Bruce and St. Louis IX are targets, despite having nothing to do with corrupt police departments, the murders of black people, or slavery, then anyone is a target. Who is next? Sojourner Truth? Harriet Tubman? St. Martin de Porres? I don't even know anymore.

This was my favorite.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/shaw-54th- ... /32733306#

Apparently this is not the first time, but...again. These are people who do not know their history or care about it. Whoever is doing this just wants to cause trouble, and it's people like this who are going to keep any sort of meaningful reform from happening.

[Cisairse]

One fun outcome of this is I can easily find who of my friends are fake-woke liberals. I saw a post on insta about the Philly abolitionist statue getting town down with the author expressinge remorse and condemning them taking it down, and one of my friends turned up in the comments and said something like "These slaveholders don't deserve statues, why are you so racist, read the room" etc
pretty good meme

[Luminesa]

One fun outcome of this is I can easily find who of my friends are fake-woke liberals. I saw a post on insta about the Philly abolitionist statue getting town down with the author expressinge remorse and condemning them taking it down, and one of my friends turned up in the comments and said something like "These slaveholders don't deserve statues, why are you so racist, read the room" etc
pretty good meme

There’s a lot of fake-woke people right now. And they are all over Twitter.

[Rojava Free State]

One fun outcome of this is I can easily find who of my friends are fake-woke liberals. I saw a post on insta about the Philly abolitionist statue getting town down with the author expressinge remorse and condemning them taking it down, and one of my friends turned up in the comments and said something like "These slaveholders don't deserve statues, why are you so racist, read the room" etc
pretty good meme

There’s a lot of fake-woke people right now. And they are all over Twitter.

Bandwagoners are the lowest of the low. My friend Tyler hates trump but can't articulate exactly why beyond "I heard he's racist."