Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[Luminesa]

Last I checked, we don't make statues of only perfect people.

Nor are statues necessarily "deifying" someone, I haven't noticed anyone praying or worshipping before Washington or Jefferson statues, have you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apoth ... Washington

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Except the protestors are demanding a lot of these things because they have no consistent organization or message and a decent swathe of them have other ideological goals beyond simply protecting black lives.

Okay? I don't see what your post has to do with mine.

To be fair this image does border on blasphemy, since it renders dulia onto a man who is not even in the process of sainthood.

[Northern Davincia]

Last I checked, we don't make statues of only perfect people.

Nor are statues necessarily "deifying" someone, I haven't noticed anyone praying or worshipping before Washington or Jefferson statues, have you?

I heard there were a few Shinto practitioners in Hawai’i that deified Washington, but let’s ignore that for the main point of the argument.

That is extremely based, good on them.

[The Emerald Legion]

And how exactly would you reform the police in America?

Demilitarize them, heighten training standards, mandate body cameras, and undo the silly Supreme Court ruling that police have no obligation to protect anyone.

Re-Militarize the civilian populace.

[Northern Davincia]

Demilitarize them, heighten training standards, mandate body cameras, and undo the silly Supreme Court ruling that police have no obligation to protect anyone.

Re-Militarize the civilian populace.

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

[Tarsonis]

Re-Militarize the civilian populace.

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

You can't have civies armed with bazookas and cops armed with water pistols. The militarized police is a direct result of a heavily armed populace.

[Proctopeo]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

You can't have civies armed with bazookas and cops armed with water pistols. The militarized police is a direct result of a heavily armed populace.

You can, but some people would say it's a bad idea.

[The Emerald Legion]

You can't have civies armed with bazookas and cops armed with water pistols. The militarized police is a direct result of a heavily armed populace.

You can, but some people would say it's a bad idea.

Those people are silly.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Real talk, this probably won’t mean much. There’s still way more statues of George and Thomas, and I doubt these upstarts will somehow cause a mass removal of statues of Washington or Jefferson.

[The Emerald Legion]

Real talk, this probably won’t mean much. There’s still way more statues of George and Thomas, and I doubt these upstarts will somehow cause a mass removal of statues of Washington or Jefferson.

Honestly we should just build a cross hill. But with statues of the founders.

[Northern Davincia]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

You can't have civies armed with bazookas and cops armed with water pistols. The militarized police is a direct result of a heavily armed populace.

Yes, but I also wish for the citizenry to have an easier time overthrowing the government.

[Tarsonis]

You can't have civies armed with bazookas and cops armed with water pistols. The militarized police is a direct result of a heavily armed populace.

Yes, but I also wish for the citizenry to have an easier time overthrowing the government.

Government can't be so easily overthrown that it's effectively worthless.

[The Emerald Legion]

Yes, but I also wish for the citizenry to have an easier time overthrowing the government.

Government can't be so easily overthrown that it's effectively worthless.

There should at least be some challenge, so the revolutionaries have to prove their effectiveness as an organizational entity.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Re-Militarize the civilian populace.

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

[West Leas Oros 2]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

That sounds pretty great, I won’t lie.

[The Emerald Legion]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

That depends on how expensive they are. Things tend to become less expensive when mass produced and marketed to civilians. Because Civilians don't have limitless budgets, like the government. Also, a used tank last time I checked costs about as much as a new car.

[Northern Davincia]

Yes, but I also wish for the citizenry to have an easier time overthrowing the government.

Government can't be so easily overthrown that it's effectively worthless.

That is why I said nothing about demilitarizing the military.

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

The average citizen can maintain a machine gun fairly well. A tank per neighborhood is a comforting thought, is it not?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

That depends on how expensive they are. Things tend to become less expensive when mass produced and marketed to civilians. Because Civilians don't have limitless budgets, like the government. Also, a used tank last time I checked costs about as much as a new car.

Any used tank that costs that little is either a 50+ year old T-54-tier rust bucket garbage can that’s been sitting in a field somewhere collecting rust and spider eggs the last several decades that’d cost more than it’s worth in order to get it up and running in an efficient manner or a World War 2 or early-mid Cold War era light tank that’s definitely not gonna shrug off a 120mm SABOT round.

Government can't be so easily overthrown that it's effectively worthless.

That is why I said nothing about demilitarizing the military.

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

The average citizen can maintain a machine gun fairly well. A tank per neighborhood is a comforting thought, is it not?

It is not.

Also,
>total costs of maintaining a tank.
















>total cost of maintaining a machine gun.

[The Emerald Legion]

That depends on how expensive they are. Things tend to become less expensive when mass produced and marketed to civilians. Because Civilians don't have limitless budgets, like the government. Also, a used tank last time I checked costs about as much as a new car.

Any used tank that costs that little is either a 50+ year old T-54-tier rust bucket garbage can that’s been sitting in a field somewhere collecting rust and spider eggs the last several decades that’d cost more than it’s worth in order to get it up and running in an efficient manner or a World War 2 or early-mid Cold War era light tank that’s definitely not gonna shrug off a 120mm SABOT round.

The latter I believe. But again, obviously existing tanks are expensive, anything solely marketed to the government and in particular the military is expensive.

[Ethel mermania]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

You can't have civies armed with bazookas and cops armed with water pistols. The militarized police is a direct result of a heavily armed populace.

Madison may have been ok with it.

[Tarsonis]

Government can't be so easily overthrown that it's effectively worthless.

That is why I said nothing about demilitarizing the military.

Let me know when the average citizen can afford not only the tanks themselves, but also the spare parts, tools, maintenance, ammunition, storage, fuel, training, crew, taxes and insurance that would go along with them.

The average citizen can maintain a machine gun fairly well. A tank per neighborhood is a comforting thought, is it not?

The Military can't enforce law

[Ifreann]

Re-Militarize the civilian populace.

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

How will you be paying for that?

[Northern Davincia]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

How will you be paying for that?

I won't, citizens who can afford it will be paying for it.

[Ifreann]

How will you be paying for that?

I won't, citizens who can afford it will be paying for it.

That sounds like a lot of people won't be able to own tanks.

[Ethel mermania]

This too, citizens should be able to own tanks.

How will you be paying for that?

Credit card

[Northern Davincia]

I won't, citizens who can afford it will be paying for it.

That sounds like a lot of people won't be able to own tanks.

Maybe, but they should not be prevented by the state from owning them, if they wish.