Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[WayNeacTia]

Then explain it to us?

White privilege (yes, I know the name choice is terrible) doesn’t mean “your life isn’t hard.” It just means your skin color isn’t the cause of your problems.


(Yeah, if you’re a white guy living in the ‘hood, this definition is perhaps a bit reductive, but the general rule is the same.)

And I call bullshit. Peoples problems are caused by their actions, not by the color of their skin. If they choose to perpetuate a stereotype, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Kowani]

White privilege (yes, I know the name choice is terrible) doesn’t mean “your life isn’t hard.” It just means your skin color isn’t the cause of your problems.


(Yeah, if you’re a white guy living in the ‘hood, this definition is perhaps a bit reductive, but the general rule is the same.)



Based on your rants, I very much doubt that first clause of that sentence.

That's pretty BS. A whole fuckton of white people certainly have a lot of problems caused by their skin color, especially when people like you (that is to say, people who keep pushing this "privilege mentality) are involved.

I would like some evidence.

And give me statistical data, not one rando who got was attacked for being white.
Which is terrible, and violence against innocent people is horrendous, but it’s about as relevant for sociological analysis as my great-uncle who smoked ‘till he was 80.

White privilege (yes, I know the name choice is terrible) doesn’t mean “your life isn’t hard.” It just means your skin color isn’t the cause of your problems.


(Yeah, if you’re a white guy living in the ‘hood, this definition is perhaps a bit reductive, but the general rule is the same.)

And I call bullshit. Peoples problems are caused by their actions, not by the color of their skin. If they choose to perpetuate a stereotype, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

This is laughably false.

[West Leas Oros 2]

White privilege (yes, I know the name choice is terrible) doesn’t mean “your life isn’t hard.” It just means your skin color isn’t the cause of your problems.


(Yeah, if you’re a white guy living in the ‘hood, this definition is perhaps a bit reductive, but the general rule is the same.)

And I call bullshit. Peoples problems are caused by their actions, not by the color of their skin. If they choose to perpetuate a stereotype, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

I too, call bullshit, albeit with a different reasoning. Racial hierarchy is not the defining hierarchy in Western, liberal capitalist societies. It is a factor, but not the primary, root cause. Racism is a facet of class conflict, and the liberal conception of "privilege" rejects this. Liberals do not desire to change the fundamental structure of society, but only the distribution within it. They do not want to do away with societal hierarchies, but rather diversify them. It's why they say shit like "more women CEOs". They are either too deluded to know that the ruling class is still the ruling class, regardless of the identity it is comprised of, or they are members of the ruling class attempting to throw out a red herring in order to throw off the trail of actual reformists.

[West Leas Oros 2]

That's pretty BS. A whole fuckton of white people certainly have a lot of problems caused by their skin color, especially when people like you (that is to say, people who keep pushing this "privilege mentality) are involved.

I would like some evidence.

And give me statistical data, not one rando who got was attacked for being white.
Which is terrible, and violence against innocent people is horrendous, but it’s about as relevant for sociological analysis as my great-uncle who smoked ‘till he was 80.

And I call bullshit. Peoples problems are caused by their actions, not by the color of their skin. If they choose to perpetuate a stereotype, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

This is laughably false.

Gee, I dunno, how about all the rhetoric that people spew with the sole intent to demonize white people as a whole? Or what about when people go full hypocrite and permit hateful speech and action against whites, while claiming to care about fostering safe communities?

Also, by your measure, would that mean men are not privileged, given disparities in arrests of men versus women? I'm not saying other races aren't oppressed, but that doesn't mean that white people somehow benefit. What do white people "gain" from others oppression? Racism is ultimately illogical, because it provides no benefit to racists.

[Kowani]

Gee, I dunno, how about all the rhetoric that people spew with the sole intent to demonize white people as a whole? Or what about when people go full hypocrite and permit hateful speech and action against whites, while claiming to care about fostering safe communities?

Seriously. Evidence of this rhetoric hurting white people at a statistical level, please.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Gee, I dunno, how about all the rhetoric that people spew with the sole intent to demonize white people as a whole? Or what about when people go full hypocrite and permit hateful speech and action against whites, while claiming to care about fostering safe communities?

Seriously. Evidence of this rhetoric hurting white people at a statistical level, please.

How about an entire media platform deciding to turn a blind eye at hate speech directed toward them?

Can you please elaborate on the bolded?

I can't because they didn't really elaborate either:

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[Kragholm Free States]

Gee, I dunno, how about all the rhetoric that people spew with the sole intent to demonize white people as a whole? Or what about when people go full hypocrite and permit hateful speech and action against whites, while claiming to care about fostering safe communities?

Seriously. Evidence of this rhetoric hurting white people at a statistical level, please.

iirc you're not white, so I think it's safe to say you couldn't possibly understand our struggle and you just need to shut up and be a good ally or you're Part of the Problem™.

[Kowani]

Also, by your measure, would that mean men are not privileged, given disparities in arrests of men versus women?

No, in the criminal “justice” system, men are not privileged. Could you try a gotcha again?

I'm not saying other races aren't oppressed, but that doesn't mean that white people somehow benefit. What do white people "gain" from others oppression? Racism is ultimately illogical, because it provides no benefit to racists.

So, we have several areas. Firstly, the employment discrimination makes it easier for white people to get jobs, because the rest of the field is playing at a disadvantage. Unequal enforcement of drug policy-(and in some jurisdictions, going after blacks and Latinos even when whites were more likely to violate the law) benefits white people. A disparate educational system makes it easier for white people to get jobs, since they have less people to compete with.

And we haven’t even addressed the psychological tokens!

[Kowani]

Seriously. Evidence of this rhetoric hurting white people at a statistical level, please.

How about an entire media platform deciding to turn a blind eye at hate speech directed toward them?

I can't because they didn't really elaborate either:

Again with the “harming” qualifier. Why is this so hard to understand?

Seriously. Evidence of this rhetoric hurting white people at a statistical level, please.

iirc you're not white, so I think it's safe to say you couldn't possibly understand our struggle and you just need to shut up and be a good ally or you're Part of the Problem™.

Holy cow, Batman! It’s the Strawman!

You’re not arguing against “progressives.” You’re arguing against me.

Now, unless you can find a statement of me claiming that (spoiler alert, you won’t), try again.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Also, by your measure, would that mean men are not privileged, given disparities in arrests of men versus women?

No, in the criminal “justice” system, men are not privileged. Could you try a gotcha again?

I'm not saying other races aren't oppressed, but that doesn't mean that white people somehow benefit. What do white people "gain" from others oppression? Racism is ultimately illogical, because it provides no benefit to racists.

So, we have several areas. Firstly, the employment discrimination makes it easier for white people to get jobs, because the rest of the field is playing at a disadvantage. Unequal enforcement of drug policy-(and in some jurisdictions, going after blacks and Latinos even when whites were more likely to violate the law) benefits white people. A disparate educational system makes it easier for white people to get jobs, since they have less people to compete with.

And we haven’t even addressed the psychological tokens!

Since when does bringing other people down bring you up? If someone gets shot in the head, and then someone stabs out my eye, i'd hardly call myself "privileged. "At least you're alive. You must have some kind of privilege!" That's pretty fucked up. Maybe compared to others, they get fucked over less hard, but still, how the fuck is that a "privilege"?

Also, if you're going to to shift the goalposts by going from society at large to smaller systems within it, what stops me from doing the same?

[The Emerald Legion]

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

Ah, another round of “I don’t know what white privilege means”

Not really no. It's more that it doesn't mean anything and is just a convenient excuse to demonize white people.

Also reading your study, your study is stupid, the people making it are stupid.

[WayNeacTia]

And I call bullshit. Peoples problems are caused by their actions, not by the color of their skin. If they choose to perpetuate a stereotype, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

This is laughably false.

Yep, because one paper clarifies 500 years of discrimination right? Tell me this? If that had been a white male in Atlanta that was shot by black police officers, would their have been riots? Hmm? Would the Wendy's still have been burned down? Would the officers have been fired almost immediately? Or charged with felony murder? Let's take it a step further shall we? What if Floyd had been white, and all of the officers black? Would things have played out the same? Answer me that with a straight face and I will take what you have to say into consideration.

[West Leas Oros 2]

How about an entire media platform deciding to turn a blind eye at hate speech directed toward them?

Again with the “harming” qualifier. Why is this so hard to understand?

iirc you're not white, so I think it's safe to say you couldn't possibly understand our struggle and you just need to shut up and be a good ally or you're Part of the Problem™.

Holy cow, Batman! It’s the Strawman!

You’re not arguing against “progressives.” You’re arguing against me.

Now, unless you can find a statement of me claiming that (spoiler alert, you won’t), try again.

Gee, who could have guessed that hate speech doesn't harm people? Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words can never hurt you, is it?

[Alcala-Cordel]

It's reasonable to expect someone not to massacre people to expand an empire or own slaves if you are to make statues of them.

There is all this debating going on about these statues, but the facts are Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, Jefferson raped his, and Washington participated in a genocide. There is no justification for it, and there's no ignoring it.

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

That sounds fairly par for the course among many at the time. Why single out Washington?

[Northern Davincia]

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

[citation needed]

[The Emerald Legion]

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

A.) Utterly normal behavior.

B.) They also started the fight.

[WayNeacTia]

B.) They also started the fight.

Uh huh.... So a robber breaks into your house and you shoot him, and he can then claim that you started the fight?

[The Two Jerseys]

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

Care to provide a specific example and not generalizations?

[The Emerald Legion]

B.) They also started the fight.

Uh huh.... So a robber breaks into your house and you shoot him, and he can then claim that you started the fight?

We didn't break into their house. We settled nearby.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Uh huh.... So a robber breaks into your house and you shoot him, and he can then claim that you started the fight?

We didn't break into their house. We settled nearby.

How nearby? If you intend not to draw anyone's ire, why not get some space between them?

[Ethel mermania]

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

Source please? I know he speculated in and had land in "indian country", but I know of no native towns destroyed.

[WayNeacTia]

Uh huh.... So a robber breaks into your house and you shoot him, and he can then claim that you started the fight?

We didn't break into their house. We settled nearby.

Except it was their land that "we" settled on.

[West Leas Oros 2]

He destroyed several native American towns to clear the way for the colonists and killed anyone who resisted.

Source please? I know he speculated in and had land in "indian country", but I know of no native towns destroyed.

I did find a wikipedia page about washington being called a "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Destroyer

[WayNeacTia]

Source please? I know he speculated in and had land in "indian country", but I know of no native towns destroyed.

I did find a wikipedia page about washington being called a "Town Destroyer" by the Iroquois.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Destroyer

According to one whole "cornplanter". And they did get a helicopter named after them by the U.S. Army. That should make things square.