Washington & Jefferson Statue Get Pulled Down

[Fahran]

What's wrong with Mount Rushmore? It has the faces of 3 very good and 1 moderately good presidents on it.

Washington and Jefferson, two of the men featured on Mount Rushmore, are in the sites of the iconoclasts at the moment because they were slave owners. Monuments and statues of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, the other two men featured on Mount Rushmore, have come under criticism as well. Again, if we concede the point of those statues and monuments, we more or less concede in on Mount Rushmore and others as well.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What's wrong with Mount Rushmore? It has the faces of 3 very good and 1 moderately good presidents on it.

Washington and Jefferson, two of the men featured on Mount Rushmore, are in the sites of the iconoclasts at the moment because they were slave owners. Monuments and statues of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, the other two men featured on Mount Rushmore, have come under criticism as well. Again, if we concede the point of those statues and monuments, we more or less concede in on Mount Rushmore and others as well.

If they dare go after the Bull Moose himself, i'm getting up on that bully pulpit and showing them the Big Stick.

[Fahran]

If they dare go after the Bull Moose himself, i'm getting up on that bully pulpit and showing them the Big Stick.

There are jokes to be made here but I will desist.

[West Leas Oros 2]

If they dare go after the Bull Moose himself, i'm getting up on that bully pulpit and showing them the Big Stick.

There are jokes to be made here but I will desist.

I realize too late how bad "showing them the Big Stick" sounds out of context.

[Ethel mermania]

Under orders by the British Empire, when war crimes weren't a thing, during a war.

What exactly would you suggest he do any differently? What's reasonable to expect?

It's reasonable to expect someone not to massacre people to expand an empire or own slaves if you are to make statues of them.

There is all this debating going on about these statues, but the facts are Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, Jefferson raped his, and Washington participated in a genocide. There is no justification for it, and there's no ignoring it.

What genocide did washington participate in? I know of a massacre, but those victims weren't innocent.

[WayNeacTia]

What's wrong with Mount Rushmore? It has the faces of 3 very good and 1 moderately good presidents on it.

Washington and Jefferson, two of the men featured on Mount Rushmore, are in the sites of the iconoclasts at the moment because they were slave owners. Monuments and statues of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, the other two men featured on Mount Rushmore, have come under criticism as well. Again, if we concede the point of those statues and monuments, we more or less concede in on Mount Rushmore and others as well.

So Abe leads a war to end slavery and wins. Washington founds a country. Teddy, turns out to be one of the most influential presidents in U.S. history. And they all need to be punished by history just because someone made a bad choice and put Jefferson up there? The cure seems worse than the disease at this point.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Washington and Jefferson, two of the men featured on Mount Rushmore, are in the sites of the iconoclasts at the moment because they were slave owners. Monuments and statues of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, the other two men featured on Mount Rushmore, have come under criticism as well. Again, if we concede the point of those statues and monuments, we more or less concede in on Mount Rushmore and others as well.

So Abe leads a war to end slavery and wins. Washington founds a country. Teddy, turns out to be one of the most influential presidents in U.S. history. And they all need to be punished by history just because someone made a bad choice and put Jefferson up there? The cure seems worse than the disease at this point.

Obviously, Mount Rushmore should have the most forgotten Presidents on it. I mean, 3 of those four are on currency, and two of them are on multiple currencies. Those guys are talked about enough. Put up a statue of like, William Henry Harrison or something, I dunno.

[The Two Jerseys]

Under orders by the British Empire, when war crimes weren't a thing, during a war.

What exactly would you suggest he do any differently? What's reasonable to expect?

It's reasonable to expect someone not to massacre people to expand an empire or own slaves if you are to make statues of them.

There is all this debating going on about these statues, but the facts are Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, Jefferson raped his, and Washington participated in a genocide. There is no justification for it, and there's no ignoring it.

There is justification for it: the good things they've done outweigh the bad.

[The Two Jerseys]

So Abe leads a war to end slavery and wins. Washington founds a country. Teddy, turns out to be one of the most influential presidents in U.S. history. And they all need to be punished by history just because someone made a bad choice and put Jefferson up there? The cure seems worse than the disease at this point.

Obviously, Mount Rushmore should have the most forgotten Presidents on it. I mean, 3 of those four are on currency, and two of them are on multiple currencies. Those guys are talked about enough. Put up a statue of like, William Henry Harrison or something, I dunno.

We need a Mount Triggermore.

Obviously Andrew Jackson and William Henry Harrison will be on it.

[WayNeacTia]

It's reasonable to expect someone not to massacre people to expand an empire or own slaves if you are to make statues of them.

There is all this debating going on about these statues, but the facts are Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves, Jefferson raped his, and Washington participated in a genocide. There is no justification for it, and there's no ignoring it.

There is justification for it: the good things they've done outweigh the bad.

Sorry. What is this so called "genocide" Washington participated in again?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Obviously, Mount Rushmore should have the most forgotten Presidents on it. I mean, 3 of those four are on currency, and two of them are on multiple currencies. Those guys are talked about enough. Put up a statue of like, William Henry Harrison or something, I dunno.

We need a Mount Triggermore.

Obviously Andrew Jackson and William Henry Harrison will be on it.

How could you get triggered at a President who did practically nothing since he died less than a year in. I mean, before his presidency he did stuff, but nobody remembers that shit either.

[Fahran]

Obviously, Mount Rushmore should have the most forgotten Presidents on it. I mean, 3 of those four are on currency, and two of them are on multiple currencies. Those guys are talked about enough. Put up a statue of like, William Henry Harrison or something, I dunno.

We need a Mount Triggermore.

Obviously Andrew Jackson and William Henry Harrison will be on it.

I now want Mount Triggermore.

[The Two Jerseys]

There is justification for it: the good things they've done outweigh the bad.

Sorry. What is this so called "genocide" Washington participated in again?

Being a white man and existing^* is now considered committing genocide. ^*Unless you're Karl Marx, he gets a pass because muh communism.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Sorry. What is this so called "genocide" Washington participated in again?

Being a white man and existing^* is now considered committing genocide. ^*Unless you're Karl Marx, he gets a pass because muh communism.

Actually no. No matter how much you wish to deny it, Marx has nothing to do with it. I've heard these liberals criticize Marx as much as any other White philosopher dude.

[WayNeacTia]

Sorry. What is this so called "genocide" Washington participated in again?

Being a white man and existing^* is now considered committing genocide. ^*Unless you're Karl Marx, he gets a pass because muh communism.

So much for "White Privilege".

[Ifreann]

Couldn't that be said of any US statue?

Pretty much yes.

But more specifically, the land on which Mount Rushmore lies was granted to the Sioux in the Treaty of Fort Laramie, which the US later violated when gold was found in the mountains. The Supreme Court even ruled that the US had behaved illegally. The Sioux have refused to accept the $1 billion in compensation, instead continuing to demand that their land be returned.

[Diarcesia]

Looks like the far left now had their equivalent of antisemitism.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Being a white man and existing^* is now considered committing genocide. ^*Unless you're Karl Marx, he gets a pass because muh communism.

So much for "White Privilege".

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

[WayNeacTia]

So much for "White Privilege".

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

Same can be said for Canada as well. Unfortunately all of us poor ass white people get lumped in with the ones who abuse it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

Same can be said for Canada as well. Unfortunately all of us poor ass white people get lumped in with the ones who abuse it.

There are some images I remember seeing of a dude sleeping on a park bench with the caption "at least I still have my white male privilege". I admit, it was pretty great. Probably have it saved on my phone or something.

[Kowani]

So much for "White Privilege".

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

Ah, another round of “I don’t know what white privilege means”

[WayNeacTia]

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

Ah, another round of “I don’t know what white privilege means”

Then explain it to us?

[West Leas Oros 2]

White privilege in America is really "White privilege for a few people who can afford it".

Ah, another round of “I don’t know what white privilege means”

I know what liberals mean when they say it, but I understand that it's bullshit.

[Kowani]

Ah, another round of “I don’t know what white privilege means”

Then explain it to us?

White privilege (yes, I know the name choice is terrible) doesn’t mean “your life isn’t hard.” It just means your skin color isn’t the cause of your problems.


(Yeah, if you’re a white guy living in the ‘hood, this definition is perhaps a bit reductive, but the general rule is the same.)

Ah, another round of “I don’t know what white privilege means”

I know what liberals mean when they say it, but I understand that it's bullshit.

Based on your rants, I very much doubt that first clause of that sentence.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Then explain it to us?

White privilege (yes, I know the name choice is terrible) doesn’t mean “your life isn’t hard.” It just means your skin color isn’t the cause of your problems.


(Yeah, if you’re a white guy living in the ‘hood, this definition is perhaps a bit reductive, but the general rule is the same.)

I know what liberals mean when they say it, but I understand that it's bullshit.

Based on your rants, I very much doubt that first clause of that sentence.

That's pretty BS. A whole fuckton of white people certainly have a lot of problems caused by their skin color, especially when people like you (that is to say, people who keep pushing this "privilege mentality) are involved.