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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:43 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:No.


Why not ?

Because my preference is for town councils to decide these things, not mobs. This is ignoring the extreme moral gap between the Founders and literally Satan.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why not ?

Because my preference is for town councils to decide these things, not mobs. This is ignoring the extreme moral gap between the Founders and literally Satan.


Both fought for freedom against unjust monarchs :p
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:45 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:Indeed I do, but I feel as though unlawfully tearing down a statue should carry a sentence of two or three years. The point is still made, and the punishment fits better.

Again, I'm shooting for the stars, so the moon may be hit. It would probably be closer to what you want in the end.

Perhaps, but if you want to make rioters hurt, charge them for repairs.
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Northern Davincia wrote:Because my preference is for town councils to decide these things, not mobs. This is ignoring the extreme moral gap between the Founders and literally Satan.


Both fought for freedom against unjust monarchs :p

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:46 pm

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Rossiyaana wrote: 15 years is massively out of proportion for vandalism which I believe has a 1 year maximum.


Given the extreme backlash to all this I'd feel pretty comfortable saying a not insignificant amount of people view it as worse than petty vandalism.


Oh, yes, let's assign punishments depending on how much noise the public makes about a crime, at a time of high civil tensions. I can see that going well.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:46 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given the extreme backlash to all this I'd feel pretty comfortable saying a not insignificant amount of people view it as worse than petty vandalism.


Oh, yes, let's assign punishments depending on how much noise the public makes about a crime, at a time of high civil tensions. I can see that going well.


That's pretty much what we're doing already. If there weren't mass protests and backlash the cop who shot that guy in Georgia never would have been charged.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:49 pm

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"a statue of a founding father" is where the problem lies. Unless you're going to provide equal protection to ANY public statue, your law is going to die.

Equal protection is for people charged with a crime though.


I plainly mean legal protection for all statues, or none.
You can't have more legal protection for certain statues depending on who they're statues of.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:49 pm

Rossiyaana wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given the extreme backlash to all this I'd feel pretty comfortable saying a not insignificant amount of people view it as worse than petty vandalism.

Well in that case, it'll come down to the opinion of whatever judge rules on the case, and then the SCOTUS, since this would be a contentious issue, and would likely be appealed till it reaches the top.

Regardless of how the SCOTUS rules, it would show a willingness of nationalists to fight commies and drag 'em through the courts.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Oh, yes, let's assign punishments depending on how much noise the public makes about a crime, at a time of high civil tensions. I can see that going well.


That's pretty much what we're doing already. If there weren't mass protests and backlash the cop who shot that guy in Georgia never would have been charged.


Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:51 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Rossiyaana wrote:Well in that case, it'll come down to the opinion of whatever judge rules on the case, and then the SCOTUS, since this would be a contentious issue, and would likely be appealed till it reaches the top.

Regardless of how the SCOTUS rules, it would show a willingness of nationalists to fight commies and drag 'em through the courts.


That's pretty sad. "We lost, but at least we put up a fight. Shame about all the statues that will be destroyed"
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:53 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Regardless of how the SCOTUS rules, it would show a willingness of nationalists to fight commies and drag 'em through the courts.


That's pretty sad. "We lost, but at least we put up a fight. Shame about all the statues that will be destroyed"

I also support other tactics if the Supreme Court sides with communists. Ones I wouldn't share on this site because of this.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why not ?

Because my preference is for town councils to decide these things, not mobs. This is ignoring the extreme moral gap between the Founders and literally Satan.


I am very rarely for local government on anything, but I agree it is their role to decide what statues are put up or stay up.
I'd like them to consult with the people on election day ... not generally for direct democracy but it seems appropriate.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:57 pm

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That's pretty sad. "We lost, but at least we put up a fight. Shame about all the statues that will be destroyed"

I also support other tactics if the Supreme Court sides with communists. Ones I wouldn't share on this site because of this.


Boasting about how you would boast about committing a crime ... actually badly discredits you.

Communists were effectively banned until Brandenburg. Having communists in the United States is the price you pay for freedom of speech.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:03 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I also support other tactics if the Supreme Court sides with communists. Ones I wouldn't share on this site because of this.


Boasting about how you would boast about committing a crime ... actually badly discredits you.

Communists were effectively banned until Brandenburg. Having communists in the United States is the price you pay for freedom of speech.

Well, I'm damned by you if I do or if I don't anyway.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:10 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
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Boasting about how you would boast about committing a crime ... actually badly discredits you.

Communists were effectively banned until Brandenburg. Having communists in the United States is the price you pay for freedom of speech.

Well, I'm damned by you if I do or if I don't anyway.


You'd probably do better against an actual Communist. There are a few around.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:33 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
That's pretty sad. "We lost, but at least we put up a fight. Shame about all the statues that will be destroyed"

I also support other tactics if the Supreme Court sides with communists. Ones I wouldn't share on this site because of this.

As if each and every person who supports statues coming down is a communist.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:43 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:Conventionally? We arrest those who engage in vandalism and who strive to subvert policy and culture through less than legal means. And that should have been the initial response to iconoclasms and desecrations. We're hindered somewhat by the ill-discipline or cowardice of the police and the complicity of local officials in many places.

As I said before, tearing down a statue of a founding father should be punished by 15 years in prison. It would stop this shit quick if a bunch of people were arrested and sent to prison over this.

No it wouldn't. Harsh punishments don't prevent crime.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:02 am

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:I also support other tactics if the Supreme Court sides with communists. Ones I wouldn't share on this site because of this.

As if each and every person who supports statues coming down is a communist.

No, but they are idiots. And there is a reasonable overlap between the two to the point where you could be forgiven for confusing them.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:06 am

Purpelia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:As if each and every person who supports statues coming down is a communist.

No, but they are idiots. And there is a reasonable overlap between the two to the point where you could be forgiven for confusing them.


There are far more idiots in the world than communists, so no you can't be forgiven for confusing them.

EDIT: Came out wrong the first time, sorry.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:10 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I also support other tactics if the Supreme Court sides with communists. Ones I wouldn't share on this site because of this.

As if each and every person who supports statues coming down is a communist.


Given that Communist states have historically been obsessed with planting statues of Glorious Leaders everywhere, this is rather ironic.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:02 am

Baltenstein wrote:Given that Communist states have historically been obsessed with planting statues of Glorious Leaders everywhere, this is rather ironic.

You mean Authoritarian Communist states? Actual Communists would force these ancoms to line up against the wall and shoot them all, because they are a threat to the state.
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Baltenstein wrote:Given that Communist states have historically been obsessed with planting statues of Glorious Leaders everywhere, this is rather ironic.

You mean Authoritarian Communist states? Actual Communists would force these ancoms to line up against the wall and shoot them all, because they are a threat to the state.

And then put up the statues of Glorious Leader.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:21 am

Don't forget that there's a statue of Lenin in the US and no one wants to tear it down. Mostly because of all the fun they have vandalising it.
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Ifreann wrote:Don't forget that there's a statue of Lenin in the US and no one wants to tear it down. Mostly because of all the fun they have vandalising it.

In Seattle, yeah. There was a homeless guy living inside it when it was adorning a junkyard in the Czech Republic.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:53 am

Ifreann wrote:Don't forget that there's a statue of Lenin in the US and no one wants to tear it down. Mostly because of all the fun they have vandalising it.


I always liked this one.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:59 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Don't forget that there's a statue of Lenin in the US and no one wants to tear it down. Mostly because of all the fun they have vandalising it.


I always liked this one.

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