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RWDT XXI: The Apocalypse is Now

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:30 pm
by The Village Green SSR

Right Wing Discussion Thread XXI
The Apocalypse is Now



Remember to keep to topics related to right-wing politics. Whilst the conversation may naturally meander around such areas as religion, philosophy and, of course, left-wing ideology, please, please try to limit discussion of these topics to their relevance to the political right. We leave it up to posters to decide for themselves what constitutes "right-wing" in political jargon. Respect your fellow posters, abide by the site rules, and be prepared to have your views challenged, mocked, torn apart, shit on, and flushed down the toilet.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

  • The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the right.
  • Right-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
  • Cultural issues from right-wing perspectives.
  • News and history relevant to the political right.
  • Right-wing responses to current events.
  • Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political Right.
  • The problems facing particular Right-wing movements or the political right in general, and how to resolve them.

Previous Iterations:
Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV | Part V | Part VI | Part VII | Part VIII | Part IX | Part X | Part XI | Part XII | Part XIII | Part XIV | Part XV | Part XVI | Part XVIII | Part XIX | Part XX


Poll History:

Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favourite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Idealogue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favourite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favourite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators - Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) 43 Votes/23%

Poll 0.1: Continue the Old Poll Y/N
Poll 1: Favourite Right-Wing Ideologies - Libertarianism/Minarchism

Poll 1: Favorite Centre-Right Parties - Republican Party (US) 39%
Poll 2: What should be the most important core value of a state ideology? Liberty 47%

Poll 1: Which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology? - Reflections on the Revolution in France 68/237 (29%)
Poll 2: Favourite constitutional/government models? - US 166/528 (31%)

Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)
Poll 2: If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be? - The Roman Empire 119/495 (24%)

Do you drink alcohol and what's your opinion of it?
No, and I have a negative opinion of it. It should remain legal. - 57 (36%)
Total Votes: 157 (Recorded 09/01/2017)

Poll 1: Which of the following Trump picks are you most happy with? And are you overall satisfied with them? - James Norman Mattis 92/384 Terrible picks, what have we gotten ourselves into. 97/384
Poll 2: Is Islam compatible with western civilisation? No - 102/330. If reformed yes - 102/330
Poll 3: Which side, for the sake of mankind, should have won WW1? The Allied Powers - 225/385
Poll 4: Was the Reformation a good thing? Yes - 146/287

Poll 1: If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be? Treaty of Versailles - 365/564

Poll 1: What stance do you take on immigration? Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model. - 204/814

Poll 1: Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest? Peter I The Great. 66/210

Poll 1: Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious? - MacArthur Shogunate :'). 289/450

Poll I: How should the government interact with religion? - Secularism 124/212 (58%)
Poll II: What's your favorite Eastern Philosophy? - Confucianism 45/206 (22%), Other/None 56/206 (27%)
Poll III: What's your favorite style of architecture? - Gothic 33/189 (17%)
Poll IV: To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe? - Natural Law Theory 20/112 (18%)

Poll I: Who is your favourite right-wing fiction writer? - JRR Tolkien 101/187 (54%)
Poll II: Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous? - No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist (34%)

Poll I: Is Jair Bolsonaro's presidency a good thing for Brazil? - No 101/196 (52%)
Poll II: Has Angela Merkel's leadership been good for Germany? - No 112/222 (50%)
Poll III: Has Donald Trump's presidency so far been beneficial to the United States? - No 82/149 (55%)
Poll IV: Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan? - Unsure 52/119 (44%)

Lawful Good
41
18%
Lawful Neutral
24
10%
Lawful Evil
23
10%
Neutral Good
25
11%
Neutral Neutral
12
5%
Neutral Evil
12
5%
Chaotic Good
26
11%
Chaotic Neutral
35
15%
Chaotic Evil
32
14%

Would you support a Chinese-Style lockdown in your country to contain the Coronavirus?
Yes - 48% (157)
No - 38% (125)
Unsure 14% (46)

If you had to choose a leftist government to live under, which one would you choose?
The United States under FDR - 31% (225)


What is your opinion of drugs and drug-trafficking?
Drugs are a moral evil and drug-trafficking is peak degeneracy. - 38% (56)

Who is your favorite White Army general?
I have bad opinions and so I think Trotsky was better than any White Army general. 31% (42)
Ungern-Sternberg (because I know y'all love memes) 29% (39)

Who is your favorite Greek hero?
Prometheus - 28% (40)
Odysseus - 27% (39)


Which 40k faction do you prefer
Imperium (Imperial Guard) - 33%


Statistics:
Cekoviu wrote:alrighty lads and lasses (and laxxes or whatever), here are the in-depth rwdt statistics nobody asked for! :^)

methods
i selected four 10-page sections scattered throughout the current RWDT to use as representative source material. the tested pages were:
  • 90 through 100 (primarily about Israel and whether swimming should be banned)
  • 220 through 230 (hair for some reason, morality, and immigration)
  • 320 through 330 (polygamy, mod decisions, smoking)
  • 410 through 420 (sexual morality, "is progressivism a secular theology", alcohol)
in total, this is equal to 1000 posts on a wide range of topics relevant to the RWDT, so the posts made here should serve as an accurate image of typical RWDT occurrences.

next, i selected the 20 individuals who post in the RWDT regularly and are reasonably well-attested throughout the source pages:
Bear Stearns, Bienenhalde, Cekoviu, Diopolis, Fahran, Hanafuridake, Italios, Kowani, Luminesa, Nakena, Nap the Magnificent/The Marlborough, Northern Davincia, Novus America, Proctopeo, Questarian New Yorkshire, Salus Maior, The East Marches II, United Muscovite Nations, Valrifell, Washington Resistance Army
(halfway through, i realized i probably should've included joohan, but it was too late ;~;)

i then went through the pages selected for analysis and sorted posts by the aforementioned regulars into one of four categories: effortpost, normal post, minipost, or shitpost. the criteria are essentially as follows:
  • effortpost - appeared to involve considerable effort on the part of the poster, containing multiple in-depth paragraphs and serious political analysis
  • normal post - a post that appears to have involved some but not much effort to make, mostly on the order of multiple sentences to two paragraphs. includes political analysis that is not in-depth, religious argumentation, etc.
  • minipost - a post that is one or two sentences or otherwise not terribly substantive, but which is serious and contributes to the conversation in a constructive manner
  • shitpost - a post which is short and consists primarily or entirely of a joke, banter, or insult without contributing significantly to the conversation at hand
categorical judgments were based not on the political positions taken by posts, but their overall length and level of effort. there were of course borderline cases and my judgment is not impeccable, but as far as i can tell, the majority of posts clearly fell into one of these categories.

additionally, i used the ns profiles of users to obtain their total post count and found year (i included DEATed past incarnations in this, so the post total for, e.g. UMN includes both United Muscovite Nations and United Marxist Nations).

using the post counts per category, two indices of post quality (PQI) and overall contribution (OCI) were generated per user. the formulas are:
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(nm means "number of miniposts," etc. n on its own means total number of posts by the user within the pages analyzed.)
the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

results: demographics
the mean total post count for an RWDTer is approximately 23365, with the most prolific posters being UMN, luminesa, and WRA in that order and the least prolific being bienenhalde, bear stearns, and hanafuridake.

the gender ratio of the RWDTers analyzed here is 14:5:1 M:F:GQ, meaning that there is a significant gender disparity in comparison to real life, but it may be less severe than nsg at large (unfortunately, i can't seem to find any gender surveys on nsg)

the typical found date of an RWDT poster is mid-2014.

results: posting trends
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Most regulars have a fairly minimal influence on the thread compared to a few much more influential people, according to OCI trends.

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in contrast, many posters have overall decent post quality, with a few constant shitposters causing the most trouble.

the user with the highest average post quality was novus america (PQI = 0.968), followed by bear stearns (0.870) and kowani (0.859). the user with the lowest average quality was valrifell (PQI = -0.375), followed by TEM (-0.139) and proctopeo (-0.083).

the greatest overall contributor to the thread was questers (OCI = 1361.37), followed by fahran (666.67) and cekoviu (433.19). the lowest overall contributors were proctopeo (OCI = 6.22), luminesa (9.88), and bienenhalde (11.18).

no significant correlation between found year/total posts and OCI/PQI exists. additionally, there is no significant correlation between poster gender and OCI/PQI.

discussion
the high average post count and early found date for rwdters is not surprising, since many of the posters here have been around for quite a long time and are well-established on nsg. the fact that the rwdt is a sausage party was already obvious -- this is likely a combination of nsg's general lack of female posters and the rwdt's particular inability to be around women while maintaining any level of decorum.

i did not expect kowani and bear stearns to top the charts for PQI. i assume that their presence is essentially an artifact of sampling -- they both simply happened to make several out-of-character effortposts within this span, which boosted their scores significantly. the same is true for my presence at the top of the OCI charts, seeing as i am a relatively recent arrival and i mostly shitpost.

questers and fahran being at the top of the OCI ought to surprise nobody. luminesa and bienenhalde are low on this measurement not because their posts lack quality, but because they minimally posted within the page ranges surveyed.

resources
raw data csv
r script for analysis

conclusion
1) i have utterly wasted both my time and yours
2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

kthxbai


Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to right-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

  • ”Leviathan”
    — Thomas Hobbes. (Read Here)
  • ”Two Treatises of Government”
    — John Locke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
    — Max Weber.
  • ”Reflections on the Revolution in France”
    — Edmund Burke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Wealth Of Nations”
    — Adam Smith. (Read Here)
  • ”Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions”
    — Joseph de Maistre. (Read Here)
  • ”Rerum novarum”
    — Pope Leo XIII. (Read Here)
  • ”The Crisis of the Modern World”
    — Rene Guenon. (Read Here)
  • ”The Doctrine Of Fascism”
    — Benito Mussolini. (Read Here)
  • ”The Conservative Mind”
    — Russell Kirk.
  • "On the Constutution of Church and State"
    — Samuel Taylor Coleridge
  • "Political Theology"
    — Carl Schmitt (Read Here)
  • "Revolt Against The Modern World"
    — Julius Evola
  • "How To Be A Conservative"
    — Roger Scruton


If you have a penchant for the color red and the thought of top hats and canes stirs your bloodlust because you always lose the family games of monopoly, you might find yourself fitting in better over at the Left-Wing Discussion Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:32 pm
by Diopolis
Meaningless post for egosearch.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:32 pm
by Auze
Huh, so that’s who will start the next RWDT thread

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:34 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
shoulda let tem do it

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:36 pm
by The East Marches II
This is the new Führerbunker. Not bad.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:37 pm
by Diopolis
The East Marches II wrote:This is the new Führerbunker. Not bad.

Your division Charlemagne reporting in, Mein Herr.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:38 pm
by The East Marches II
Diopolis wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:This is the new Führerbunker. Not bad.

Your division Charlemagne reporting in, Mein Herr.


Ah, the only ones truly loyal to the end. I could not pick better ones to be DOS'd with.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:38 pm
by Cekoviu
ok, rwdt xxi statistical analysis will be performed on an arbitrarily-chosen four sets of ten contiguous pages once this thread reaches 400-ish posts, so be on your best/worst behavior at all times if you want to get your desired score

furthermore, here is a right-wing topic for discussion: would cinema exist in your vision of society?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:38 pm
by The Archbishopric of York
I hereby claim this newfound thread for the British Crown. God save the Queen!

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:39 pm
by Proctopeo
Cekoviu wrote:ok, rwdt xxi statistical analysis will be performed on an arbitrarily-chosen four sets of ten contiguous pages once this thread reaches 400-ish posts, so be on your best/worst behavior at all times if you want to get your desired score

furthermore, here is a right-wing topic for discussion: would cinema exist in your vision of society?

yes, and every movie would be a Michael Bay movie

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:39 pm
by Diopolis
The East Marches II wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Your division Charlemagne reporting in, Mein Herr.


Ah, the only ones truly loyal to the end. I could not pick better ones to be DOS'd with.

I take heart that even the French can redeem themselves, Mein Führer.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:40 pm
by Cekoviu
xpost from old thread
The Marlborough wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>me
>a mormon
DELET THIS SLANDER

depends on the 15 y/o tbh, some of the ones i've met are real dicks

You know I wish I could joke about this, but at a function I met one of my mom's patients who is a quadriplegic after being shot for not joining a gang in South Side Chicago. He was 13 when I met him.

well now i feel bad for joking, i'm sorry to hear that

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:40 pm
by Cekoviu
Diopolis wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Ah, the only ones truly loyal to the end. I could not pick better ones to be DOS'd with.

I take heart that even the French can redeem themselves, Mein Führer.

this is deeply incorrect. being french is one of the few sins for which a person cannot be forgiven, even by god.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:40 pm
by Diopolis
Cekoviu wrote:ok, rwdt xxi statistical analysis will be performed on an arbitrarily-chosen four sets of ten contiguous pages once this thread reaches 400-ish posts, so be on your best/worst behavior at all times if you want to get your desired score

furthermore, here is a right-wing topic for discussion: would cinema exist in your vision of society?

No.
Storytelling would be accomplished through mass market plays traveling from village to village.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:41 pm
by Auze
Diopolis wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Ah, the only ones truly loyal to the end. I could not pick better ones to be DOS'd with.

I take heart that even the French can redeem themselves, Mein Führer.

Reminder that the existence of France was a mistake.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:41 pm
by Cekoviu
Diopolis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:ok, rwdt xxi statistical analysis will be performed on an arbitrarily-chosen four sets of ten contiguous pages once this thread reaches 400-ish posts, so be on your best/worst behavior at all times if you want to get your desired score

furthermore, here is a right-wing topic for discussion: would cinema exist in your vision of society?

No.
Storytelling would be accomplished through mass market plays traveling from village to village.

dope, i can get on board with that

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:42 pm
by Diopolis
Cekoviu wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I take heart that even the French can redeem themselves, Mein Führer.

this is deeply incorrect. being french is one of the few sins for which a person cannot be forgiven, even by god.

I thought Turelisa was the only Calvinist here?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:43 pm
by Cekoviu
Diopolis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:this is deeply incorrect. being french is one of the few sins for which a person cannot be forgiven, even by god.

I thought Turelisa was the only Calvinist here?

well, the only unironic calvinist

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:45 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Thanks the Village Green SSR!

*leaves cookies*

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:45 pm
by Hakons
Auze wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I take heart that even the French can redeem themselves, Mein Führer.

Reminder that the existence of France was a mistake.


President Macron actually put out a strong statement against taking down statues and for respecting the police. A stronger statement than I’ve seen from other Western leaders.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:45 pm
by The East Marches II
Diopolis wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Ah, the only ones truly loyal to the end. I could not pick better ones to be DOS'd with.

I take heart that even the French can redeem themselves, Mein Führer.


Any man who is brave can redeem himself even when it seems all hope is lost.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:46 pm
by Kowani
Proctopeo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:ok, rwdt xxi statistical analysis will be performed on an arbitrarily-chosen four sets of ten contiguous pages once this thread reaches 400-ish posts, so be on your best/worst behavior at all times if you want to get your desired score

furthermore, here is a right-wing topic for discussion: would cinema exist in your vision of society?

yes, and every movie would be a Michael Bay movie

We don’t have the budget for that.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm
by The Archbishopric of York
Cekoviu wrote:ok, rwdt xxi statistical analysis will be performed on an arbitrarily-chosen four sets of ten contiguous pages once this thread reaches 400-ish posts, so be on your best/worst behavior at all times if you want to get your desired score

furthermore, here is a right-wing topic for discussion: would cinema exist in your vision of society?

Yes, and I'd favour establishing a publicly-funded national film studio with a mandate to domestically produce quality films of an educational and/or artistic nature. When I was visiting Russia, my tour guide was an older woman born under the Soviet Union, and something of a cinephile. Though she was by no means a rabid Soviet apologist, she was nostalgic about some elements of the USSR, one of which was the film industry. In her view, the quality of Russian cinema took a significant tumble once it was privatised and became motivated by commercialism. Capitalism has many points in its favour but the profit motive is toxic to the arts.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm
by Cekoviu
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Thanks the Village Green SSR!

*leaves cookies*

uh oh, looks like NCR took over questers' account. everyone hide or you might get a two week vacation!

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:48 pm
by The East Marches II
Cekoviu wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Thanks the Village Green SSR!

*leaves cookies*

uh oh, looks like NCR took over questers' account. everyone hide or you might get a two week vacation!


I had a chuckle, GG no re.