RWDT XXI: The Apocalypse is Now

[Salus Maior]

The likelihood of it being torn down is extremely low, with Germany’s political stability and all. I’m praying for a miracle though.

Praying didn't stop Lenin

Well, it can't hurt either.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

To be fair, the GDR was a pretty interesting and at times quite a based state. That goes with a lot of the former Eastern Bloc regimes. If any of the far-left crowd is to win, I'd want it to be the neo-Soviets as the Soviets had some redeeming qualities about them.

Of all the leftist ideologies, Marxism-Leninism is one of the best. Their rejection of degeneracy and decadence is good, and their policy of anti-zionism in the Cold War can only be applauded thoroughly. However: I won’t speak well of all the marxist regimes that persecuted and murdered Christian innocents for their beliefs.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

[and would always campaign to shut them down.

oh noooo its the nationstates freikorps, heeelpppp nooooo

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

[La Xinga]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

What?

[The Reformed American Republic]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

Stalin was hardly someone who was trustworthy.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Reactionaries are losers. I don't mean that in the insult sense. They just lose.

Here is an example.

In the Long March, the Chinese Red Army had to cross the Ya'an river to safety. The main crossing was at Luding. Reactionist Nationalist forces occupied the bridge crossing.

The Fourth Regiment of the Chinese Workers and Peasants Army marched sixty miles in twenty four hours. Those who couldn't make it dropped by the side of the road, others kept on going. Only a handful remained by the time they arrived at Luding. Communists scouts copied the nationalist bugle calls and the nationalists main body got confused and arrived late or never at all.

Nonetheless there were nationalist troops on the other side. The bridge had to be immediately captured before the nationalists could fortify the other side.

Luding Bridge was a suspension bridge with two metal rails suspending wooden planks. A handful of Communist troops crossed to the other side over the narrow bridge while under machine gun fire and after the nationalists had set fire to the bridge. Watching this manful display, the nationalist troops simply retreated and the Communists carried the town. The Red Army was therefore saved.

Reactionists almost never have such energy.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Reactionaries are losers. I don't mean that in the insult sense. They just lose.

Here is an example.

In the Long March, the Chinese Red Army had to cross the Ya'an river to safety. The main crossing was at Luding. Reactionist Nationalist forces occupied the bridge crossing.

The Fourth Regiment of the Chinese Workers and Peasants Army marched sixty miles in twenty four hours. Those who couldn't make it dropped by the side of the road, others kept on going. Only a handful remained by the time they arrived at Luding. Communists scouts copied the nationalist bugle calls and the nationalists main body got confused and arrived late or never at all.

Nonetheless there were nationalist troops on the other side. The bridge had to be immediately captured before the nationalists could fortify the other side.

Luding Bridge was a suspension bridge with two metal rails suspending wooden planks. A handful of Communist troops crossed to the other side over the narrow bridge while under machine gun fire and after the nationalists had set fire to the bridge. Watching this manful display, the nationalist troops simply retreated and the Communists carried the town. The Red Army was therefore saved.

Reactionists almost never have such energy.

“Reactionaries always lose”

Goes on to name a heavily propagandized historic event 100 years ago that happened in a third-world country

Never change please

[Joohan]

The Fourth Regiment of the Chinese Workers and Peasants Army marched sixty miles in twenty four hours.

No... I don't care what we are fighting for, absolutely not. If they were just moving in their cloths, sure, but I know that they had to have been packing supplies to.

Screw Communism, Screw Mao, Screw China, i'm going home.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Reactionaries are losers. I don't mean that in the insult sense. They just lose.

Here is an example.

In the Long March, the Chinese Red Army had to cross the Ya'an river to safety. The main crossing was at Luding. Reactionist Nationalist forces occupied the bridge crossing.

The Fourth Regiment of the Chinese Workers and Peasants Army marched sixty miles in twenty four hours. Those who couldn't make it dropped by the side of the road, others kept on going. Only a handful remained by the time they arrived at Luding. Communists scouts copied the nationalist bugle calls and the nationalists main body got confused and arrived late or never at all.

Nonetheless there were nationalist troops on the other side. The bridge had to be immediately captured before the nationalists could fortify the other side.

Luding Bridge was a suspension bridge with two metal rails suspending wooden planks. A handful of Communist troops crossed to the other side over the narrow bridge while under machine gun fire and after the nationalists had set fire to the bridge. Watching this manful display, the nationalist troops simply retreated and the Communists carried the town. The Red Army was therefore saved.

Reactionists almost never have such energy.

Pinochet defeated the communists in his country. So did some other Latin American dictators.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

Imagine actually believing this

The Bundeswehr was partially reinforced by officers who had served in the Wehrmacht previously, like Erwin von Witzleben, Hans Kroh or Erich Hartmann. These officers had no nazi backgrounds, and were clear to re-enlist after thorough investigation. Specialists with field knowledge who still clung to the nazi ideology, like renowned Stuka ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel, had to flee to South America, and were never included in the Bundeswehr. The idea that the foundation of the German armed forces was a brainchild of the western allies, or that its officers were nazis, is laughable.

Furthermore: We can chat all day about what Stalin may or may not have promised the people of Germany, but if you were to actually look at early German elections and the Soviet response, it’s evident that Stalin would never uphold his end of the bargain. “Democracy” in the GDR was compromised after the Russians forced the de-facto disbandment of the SPD and set up the SED to enforce their interests.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

Imagine actually believing this

The Bundeswehr was partially reinforced by officers who had served in the Wehrmacht previously, like Erwin von Witzleben, Hans Kroh or Erich Hartmann. These officers had no nazi backgrounds, and were clear to re-enlist after thorough investigation. Specialists with field knowledge who still clung to the nazi ideology, like renowned Stuka ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel, had to flee to South America, and were never included in the Bundeswehr. The idea that the foundation of the German armed forces was a brainchild of the western allies, or that its officers were nazis, is laughable.

Furthermore: We can chat all day about what Stalin may or may not have promised the people of Germany, but if you were to actually look at early German elections and the Soviet response, it’s evident that Stalin would never uphold his end of the bargain. “Democracy” in the GDR was compromised after the Russians forced the de-facto disbandment of the SPD and set up the SED to enforce their interests.

OK IDC

[The New California Republic]

“Democracy” in the GDR was compromised after the Russians forced the de-facto disbandment of the SPD and set up the SED to enforce their interests.

I don't think anyone actually believed that there would have been a functioning democracy in the GDR anyway. It was inevitable that either the SPD or the KPD was going to to be put to the top of the pile by the Russians. And as it stood, the KPD had the greater amount of pull with Moscow, despite it actually being the SPD that was the more popular party in places like Berlin, meaning that the SPD had to be given the axe somehow. Suppressing the SPD would have been too messy at a time when Stalin was trying to present as all smiles and sunshine to the west, so Moscow started exerting pressure on the SPD to merge with the KPD, even though Moscow knew fine well that it'd be the KPD that'd get the lion's share of power in the merger.

[Celritannia]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

Source?

[The Marlborough]

Also Bear Stearns, why were you asking if there are any Canadians on the RWDT?

[The New California Republic]

Also Bear Stearns, why were you asking if there are any Canadians on the RWDT?

He got a 3 day, so don't expect an answer straight away. Just telegram him instead.

[Novus America]

“Democracy” in the GDR was compromised after the Russians forced the de-facto disbandment of the SPD and set up the SED to enforce their interests.

I don't think anyone actually believed that there would have been a functioning democracy in the GDR anyway. It was inevitable that either the SPD or the KPD was going to to be put to the top of the pile by the Russians. And as it stood, the KPD had the greater amount of pull with Moscow, despite it actually being the SPD that was the more popular party in places like Berlin, meaning that the SPD had to be given the axe somehow. Suppressing the SPD would have been too messy at a time when Stalin was trying to present as all smiles and sunshine to the west, so Moscow started exerting pressure on the SPD to merge with the KPD, even though Moscow knew fine well that it'd be the KPD that'd get the lion's share of power in the merger.

Also building up a West German military (which happened AFTER Stalin died) was to REDUCE European reliance on the US.
But anyways it happened two years after Stalin died.

[Novus America]

remember that time stalin offered free elections in all-germany and the allies freaked out and rebuilt the wehrmacht and staffed it with nazi officers LMAO

Source?

I believe he is referring to this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_Note

However given the Soviets kept moving the goalposts every time the West offered a concession and were brutally crushing democracy in Poland and East Germany at the time, it is obvious Stalin was not acting in good faith, and it was all a propaganda scheme to justify the creation of the GDR. Stalin’s word was worth nothing.

Also after Korea any credibility Stalin had was destroyed as it was not out of the question that he would seek to invade West Germany if it was left unprotected.

But still the claim the establishment of the Bundeswehr was the problem is simply wrong because the “Stalin note” was in 1952, whereas the Bundeswehr was not created until 1955. After the brutal crushing of the 1953 protests in East Germany and after Stalin had died.

And although some of the Bundeswher officers had been in the Wehrmacht, obviously given the Naxis conscripted almost all the able bodied male population of suitable age, and finding suitable candidates with military experience who had not been in the Wehrmacht difficult, not all Wehrmacht officers were Nazis and SS.

[Salus Maior]

OK IDC

If you don't care, why do you bring it up?

[Salus Maior]

Reactionaries are losers. I don't mean that in the insult sense. They just lose.

Here is an example.

In the Long March, the Chinese Red Army had to cross the Ya'an river to safety. The main crossing was at Luding. Reactionist Nationalist forces occupied the bridge crossing.

The Fourth Regiment of the Chinese Workers and Peasants Army marched sixty miles in twenty four hours. Those who couldn't make it dropped by the side of the road, others kept on going. Only a handful remained by the time they arrived at Luding. Communists scouts copied the nationalist bugle calls and the nationalists main body got confused and arrived late or never at all.

Nonetheless there were nationalist troops on the other side. The bridge had to be immediately captured before the nationalists could fortify the other side.

Luding Bridge was a suspension bridge with two metal rails suspending wooden planks. A handful of Communist troops crossed to the other side over the narrow bridge while under machine gun fire and after the nationalists had set fire to the bridge. Watching this manful display, the nationalist troops simply retreated and the Communists carried the town. The Red Army was therefore saved.

Reactionists almost never have such energy.

I mean, you say that the Right Wing has no "energy", but that's missing the irony that tomorrow is the anniversary of the beginning of Operation Barbarossa.

One can call Barbarossa a lot of things, but lacking energy is not one of those things.

[South Odreria 2]

OK IDC

If you don't care, why do you bring it up?

Perhaps loose boundaries between fact and fiction are important for his worldview.

[Reploid Productions]

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