RWDT XXI: The Apocalypse is Now

[Nakena]

He sold (?) NationStates II to Jolt in 2008 which afaik resulted in a total desaster with NS going nowhere and everything falling apart. It in turn lead then subsequently also to a revitalization of NS proper and also the establishment of the attached phpBB forum. The exact details elude me though.

Ah yes, that sounds more correct. Point is, he might not be willing to sell at all.

Actually NSG is considered by the rest of NS to be the containment board. Specifically an containment board for fascists.

It's semi official policy in various regions that it's members are being discouraged to engage in NSG and advised to avoid discussions there.

What do you mean? The non-forum portion of this website considers NSG to be fascist?

The Forum is just one part of NationStates. And NSG is just one board here amongst many.

GP community has a strong anti-fascist consensus and there have been often been things said such as "This isn't NSG fash!". Supposedly NSG has a reputation has safe space for fascists. Whether it deserves this is another question. (I do not believe so)

RWDT has in any case a long standing tradition of gatekeeping against alt-righters. Actual fascists from places like Farkas, TIO etc are also seldom coming here either. So... i'd say in the end it's probably a culture thing and how people use NS. For some its a forum-centric experience, others prefer the GP side of things.

[South Odreria 2]

Should I become a history teacher

[Kowani]

didnt like all of the raiding organizations back in the day use nazi/fascist imagery?

Ask the CCD how that’s going nowadays.

[Deacarsia]

Was The East Marches II deleted?

[Bear Stearns]

Was The East Marches II deleted?

the mods are trash thats why

[Bear Stearns]

Ah yes, that sounds more correct. Point is, he might not be willing to sell at all.



What do you mean? The non-forum portion of this website considers NSG to be fascist?

The Forum is just one part of NationStates. And NSG is just one board here amongst many.

GP community has a strong anti-fascist consensus and there have been often been things said such as "This isn't NSG fash!". Supposedly NSG has a reputation has safe space for fascists. Whether it deserves this is another question. (I do not believe so)

RWDT has in any case a long standing tradition of gatekeeping against alt-righters. Actual fascists from places like Farkas, TIO etc are also seldom coming here either. So... i'd say in the end it's probably a culture thing and how people use NS. For some its a forum-centric experience, others prefer the GP side of things.

wait that shit is real? i thought GP was just larping

[Nakena]

The Forum is just one part of NationStates. And NSG is just one board here amongst many.

GP community has a strong anti-fascist consensus and there have been often been things said such as "This isn't NSG fash!". Supposedly NSG has a reputation has safe space for fascists. Whether it deserves this is another question. (I do not believe so)

RWDT has in any case a long standing tradition of gatekeeping against alt-righters. Actual fascists from places like Farkas, TIO etc are also seldom coming here either. So... i'd say in the end it's probably a culture thing and how people use NS. For some its a forum-centric experience, others prefer the GP side of things.

wait that shit is real? i thought GP was just larping

Not quite.

Gameplay is related to R/D mechanics and associated communities and as well region building and the Security Council.

It's kinda separate from NSG (and RP for that matter) altough sometimes the two worlds meet with each other. I guess people tend to like to stay in their corners mostly.

I am not really sure but I think GP is in total numbers bigger than NSG.

Theres quite a number of regions and groups with RL related political affiliations and alignments present.

[Joohan]

Should I become a history teacher

Seeing as how you are a marxist, I understand that you have a very narrow set of acceptable professions: teachers, journalists, and forum mods.

Honestly though, this world doesn't need another history teacher ... an Indiana Jones though....

[South Odreria 2]

Should I become a history teacher

Seeing as how you are a marxist, I understand that you have a very narrow set of acceptable professions: teachers, journalists, and forum mods.

Honestly though, this world doesn't need another history teacher ... an Indiana Jones though....

Researching “Indiana Jones careers” rn

[Bear Stearns]

LOL SERIAL KILLER ON THE LOOSE IN SEATTLE

[The Archregimancy]

Seeing as how you are a marxist, I understand that you have a very narrow set of acceptable professions: teachers, journalists, and forum mods.

Honestly though, this world doesn't need another history teacher ... an Indiana Jones though....

Researching “Indiana Jones careers” rn

The NS Indiana Jones slot is already filled, thank you.

[Joohan]

Researching “Indiana Jones careers” rn

The NS Indiana Jones slot is already filled, thank you.

Who might that be?

[The New California Republic]

The NS Indiana Jones slot is already filled, thank you.

Who might that be?

The person you just spoke to.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

If I had an onlyfans i make so much money I can buy ns, but I would just buy it and ban all of the RWDT

also, some points from while I was sleeping

(1) joe biden is a nonce, as I said before again if you can't see it you shouldn't be allowed a duty of care over children full stop.
(2) cekoviu "had a point" about him being an RWDT member, but see above for the rejection
(3) polcompass is pretty silly, I might make post explaining my critique of it later.
(4) need a topic for next charity competition, let's try to get a lot more submissions (i'd like to see 6-7~ this time) so we need an inclusive question. suggestions on back of fag packet.
(5) NSG has always been the "weakest" of the NS trifecta of NSG-RP-GP but in recent times I think RP has fallen to third place. GP has ALWAYS been the game, ALWAYS been "the NS", and incidentally Max Barry considers GP to be the cool emergent thing in NS (hes not super wrong), not RP or NSG and he won't sell or do anything to dmg GP for this reason.

[Sedgistan]

Was The East Marches II deleted?

the mods are trash thats why

It's not acceptable to refer to other people as trash - it's a clear flame. Disagreement with, and criticism of, the moderation team is allowed, but that does not give you a bye to flame us. Given your record of rules violations - which is growing at a dangerous rate if you want to hang on to your nation - *** 3 day ban for flaming ***.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

One Of Us
One Of Us
One Of Us

[Joohan]

the mods are trash thats why

It's not acceptable to refer to other people as trash - it's a clear flame. Disagreement with, and criticism of, the moderation team is allowed, but that does not give you a bye to flame us. Given your record of rules violations - which is growing at a dangerous rate if you want to hang on to your nation - *** 3 day ban for flaming ***.

Suggestion for the mods

[Neutraligon]

It's not acceptable to refer to other people as trash - it's a clear flame. Disagreement with, and criticism of, the moderation team is allowed, but that does not give you a bye to flame us. Given your record of rules violations - which is growing at a dangerous rate if you want to hang on to your nation - *** 3 day ban for flaming ***.

Suggestion for the mods

Mods are still players on this website, just like you do not get to flame other players on this website, you do not get to flame mods. If you do not wish to follow the rules of this website then you will be warned/banned.

[Mostrov]

(3) polcompass is pretty silly, I might make post explaining my critique of it later.

https://i.imgur.com/aW2T3bl.png
https://i.imgur.com/vT0GaUT.png

I feel a lot of the questions I would have answered in quite atypical fashion, but by and large they are a reflection of Victorian values in the modern age. I don't feel much affinity towards the authoritarian-right, and if I were to be in control of a government (I think the possibility is so horrific even I don't desire it—I have far too authoritarian a personality), it would probably a mixture between Oliver Cromwell, Stalin and the East India Company.

I take serious issue with many of the questions asked, as I felt my answers were often entirely orthogonal to what was intended: I took issue with many definitions and felt that many of the 'consequential' questions were essentially truisms. Furthermore, I am far more intuitionistic (if there is a correct term I would like to know) than even Questers in defining how societies function i.e. North Korea is a monarchy as he would say—which means I think purely in terms of power structures rather than categorizing things in any meaningful way beyond rhetoric and that it is perfectly possible for a government to have mutually contradictory definitions that are equally valid in their appellation. Finally, I find that I have answers for what is the best course for a government that are quite different to the question what is best for me: it is an old-fashioned view to think it best to favour the common good for the group over that of the individual—but this entire exercise rests upon the primacy of personal views because of the normative liberalism of the western world. I really wouldn't want to live under a government controlled by myself because I think my views are often inhumane and inimical to the lives of many, many people. How is it then such contradiction can be measured by this?

[Joohan]

Suggestion for the mods

Mods are still players on this website, just like you do not get to flame other players on this website, you do not get to flame mods. If you do not wish to follow the rules of this website then you will be warned/banned.

I think it was pretty clear that Sterns wasn't attacking the mods as people - rather, he was saying that their moderation was trash. The separation between persons and their actions is pretty important in distinguishing whether or not a person is flaming. In following the context which proceeded that post, it becomes very apparent that Sterns is referring to a very prevalent sentiment, in the discontent with the moderators in how they exercise their authority. His wording was crass, sure, but one would be leaping to think it was somehow an attack on moderators as people.

[The Reformed American Republic]

the mods are trash thats why

It's not acceptable to refer to other people as trash - it's a clear flame. Disagreement with, and criticism of, the moderation team is allowed, but that does not give you a bye to flame us. Given your record of rules violations - which is growing at a dangerous rate if you want to hang on to your nation - *** 3 day ban for flaming ***.

I remember when a leftist was reported on gameside for flaming you all in a similar manor, and it was declared not actionable as you can "...survive juvenile insults."

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

turns out not leaving your house for 100 days, staying up all night and eating belly pork every day and smoking shit tonnes of cigarettes is bad for you for some reason

who knew?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

I take serious issue with many of the questions asked, as I felt my answers were often entirely orthogonal to what was intended: I took issue with many definitions and felt that many of the 'consequential' questions were essentially truisms. Furthermore, I am far more intuitionistic (if there is a correct term I would like to know) than even Questers in defining how societies function i.e. North Korea is a monarchy as he would say—which means I think purely in terms of power structures rather than categorizing things in any meaningful way beyond rhetoric and that it is perfectly possible for a government to have mutually contradictory definitions that are equally valid in their appellation. Finally, I find that I have answers for what is the best course for a government that are quite different to the question what is best for me: it is an old-fashioned view to think it best to favour the common good for the group over that of the individual—but this entire exercise rests upon the primacy of personal views because of the normative liberalism of the western world. I really wouldn't want to live under a government controlled by myself because I think my views are often inhumane and inimical to the lives of many, many people. How is it then such contradiction can be measured by this?

there's basically three things:

• Orthodoxy — the range of acceptable thoughts, positions, and ideas that a person can express publicly without losing face, or at worst their job or their friends/family etc. Both universal basic income and monetarism are orthodoxy positions.
• Anti-orthodoxy — the thoughts, positions and ideas formed in opposition to the orthodoxy. Groups of anti-orthodoxists gather in private, often illegally in some cases, and are generally reviled by the rest of society. When they take over a state, they fight each other as much as they do orthodoxists.
• Extra-orthodoxy — what you might call the orthogonal position, the extra-orthodoxists just operate on a completely different plane of ontology, see the world in a completely different way and can't share much common ground with orthodoxists and anti-orthodoxists even if they're temporarily on the same side.

And of course boundaries with these are fluid, not strict. The worst category is anti-orthodoxy — a lot of anti-orthodoxists think they're extra-orthods (lmao), and a lot of them think they're anti-orthods when they're really just orthods. This thread has people in all categories. I won't point names but I consider everyone I have DMd or PMd more than a few times on this thread an extra-orthod. I'm mainly looking to talk to either extra-orthods or people who could potentially be extra-orthods. If I wanted the first two, I'd go on facebook.

You can't put a person into an examination room to check if they're extra-orthodoxy or not. But an attitude towards my posts goes a good way to testing.

• America-Chinese confrontation is a racial holy war
• Race is real
• Abstract nations are fake and the state is inseparable from the people
• We don't understand human emergence
• Serious anti-social criminality is very genetic
• Feminism is unfunctional because it suppresses reproduction guarantee
• Nobody wants to live in a country with ugly women
• When something becomes 'the new normal' we get 1984-gaslighted to believe it was always true
• Good leadership is the most important trait of a government
• Industrial society created civil stranger and broke apart functional society
• Post-industrial society has turned men and women into civil strangers and will break us apart further
• Everyone hates Monarchy until it happens
• There is no man without son
• "Politics" is fake
• Politics is the business of the state
• Normalcy bias is a personality type
• All change happens in a crisis
• Journalists who moralise should be put in detention centres
• Eugenics doesn't work - there are too many potential targets
• Suppress seditious aliens in the media
• Butter steak, heterosex, and assault rifles, and reason
• What you get is what you don't see WYGIWYDS
• Democracy is dispersal of blame for crimes against humanity
• IHRA definitions of anti-semitism are totalitarian#
• We need revolutionary terror

If you read these and think I'm bonkers, then you're probably one of the first two. If you read it and think this guy is a bit nuts, but I can confront his ideas without entering a separate mode of thinking, you're probably half way to extra-orthodoxy or more.

EDIT: messed up formatting, added some more links

[Galloism]

Well guys?

(Image)

Remember kids, Goldman Sachs says race & gender, never class!

[Joohan]

I take serious issue with many of the questions asked, as I felt my answers were often entirely orthogonal to what was intended: I took issue with many definitions and felt that many of the 'consequential' questions were essentially truisms. Furthermore, I am far more intuitionistic (if there is a correct term I would like to know) than even Questers in defining how societies function i.e. North Korea is a monarchy as he would say—which means I think purely in terms of power structures rather than categorizing things in any meaningful way beyond rhetoric and that it is perfectly possible for a government to have mutually contradictory definitions that are equally valid in their appellation. Finally, I find that I have answers for what is the best course for a government that are quite different to the question what is best for me: it is an old-fashioned view to think it best to favour the common good for the group over that of the individual—but this entire exercise rests upon the primacy of personal views because of the normative liberalism of the western world. I really wouldn't want to live under a government controlled by myself because I think my views are often inhumane and inimical to the lives of many, many people. How is it then such contradiction can be measured by this?

there's basically three things:

• Orthodoxy — the range of acceptable thoughts, positions, and ideas that a person can express publicly without losing face, or at worst their job or their friends/family etc. Both universal basic income and monetarism are orthodoxy positions.
• Anti-orthodoxy — the thoughts, positions and ideas formed in opposition to the orthodoxy. Groups of anti-orthodoxists gather in private, often illegally in some cases, and are generally reviled by the rest of society. When they take over a state, they fight each other as much as they do orthodoxists.
• Extra-orthodoxy — what you might call the orthogonal position, the extra-orthodoxists just operate on a completely different plane of ontology, see the world in a completely different way and can't share much common ground with orthodoxists and anti-orthodoxists even if they're temporarily on the same side.

And of course boundaries with these are fluid, not strict. The worst category is anti-orthodoxy — a lot of anti-orthodoxists think they're extra-orthods (lmao), and a lot of them think they're anti-orthods when they're really just orthods. This thread has people in all categories. I won't point names but I consider everyone I have DMd or PMd more than a few times on this thread an extra-orthod. I'm mainly looking to talk to either extra-orthods or people who could potentially be extra-orthods. If I wanted the first two, I'd go on facebook.

You can't put a person into an examination room to check if they're extra-orthodoxy or not. But an attitude towards my posts goes a good way to testing.

• America-Chinese confrontation is a racial holy war
• Race is real
• Abstract nations are fake and the state is inseparable from the people
• We don't understand human emergence
• Serious anti-social criminality is very genetic
• Feminism is unfunctional because it suppresses reproduction guarantee
• Nobody wants to live in a country with ugly women
• When something becomes 'the new normal' we get 1984-gaslighted to believe it was always true
• Good leadership is the most important trait of a government
• Industrial society created civil stranger and broke apart functional society
• Post-industrial society has turned men and women into civil strangers and will break us apart further
• Everyone hates Monarchy until it happens
• There is no man without son
• "Politics" is fake
• Politics is the business of the state
• Normalcy bias is a personality type
• All change happens in a crisis
• Journalists who moralise should be put in detention centres
• Eugenics doesn't work - there are too many potential targets
• Suppress seditious aliens in the media
• Butter steak, heterosex, and assault rifles, and reason
• What you get is what you don't see WYGIWYDS
• Democracy is dispersal of blame for crimes against humanity
• IHRA definitions of anti-semitism are totalitarian#
• We need revolutionary terror

If you read these and think I'm bonkers, then you're probably one of the first two. If you read it and think this guy is a bit nuts, but I can confront his ideas without entering a separate mode of thinking, you're probably half way to extra-orthodoxy or more.

EDIT: messed up formatting, added some more links