RWDT XXI: The Apocalypse is Now

[Cekoviu]

what actually happened in camden:

they shut down most precincts, got rid of the police union, then rehired nearly the same number of cops - only instead of at a CITY level, at a county/state level. They then further militarized the new department and reunionized under another police union. Since then they've commited numerous violent offences and have even been caught in the drug trade. crime rates have hardly changed, and overall they've gotten worse compared to the rest of america (went from 4th to 1st most violent crime)

it's not a magic panacea and nobody's claiming as much, but it has undeniably improved the situation of the city. crime rate has dropped from 2012's 79/1000 to 2019's 44/1000. excessive force complains have dropped from 2012's 65 to 2019's 3. yes, there are significant problems still, but the improved policing system should not be thrown out because it didn't fix everything.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

as usual you are all wrong, except Bear Stearns who was partially right

there are two types of crime: crime caused by criminals, and crime caused by normies because low social cohesion. you cant fix low social cohesion in the same way as you fix crime, and for some reason nobody thought that was worth pointing out, so we can address that in another post

the main thing to do to stop crime is to allow the authorities to terrorise criminals. to do this you need to do the 1st of 2 abolitions: abolish police, because police are a lame and fake government bureaucracy that does more or less nothing useful. each local authority tasked with stopping crime should have two departments - the department of criminal investigations, which are just detectives who solve murders or whatever, and then the posse comitatus which in cool english, rather than fake latin, we call "the force of the county." the posse comitatus works because criminals are always (almost) known to the local community as criminals, rather than weird spectres to haunt the street corners

the authority should have the right to invoke posse comitatus to beat the life out of criminals and terrorise them. agents of this authority should be able to summon able bodied males to bring criminals to justice. that means if some dude beats up an old lady on the street the county sheriff calls the nearest people to him, which might be me and bear stearns, and gives us AR15s and orders us to arrest this idiot dead or alive. and if there are criminals around being criminals, normal citizens should be empowered to do whatever they can to arrest them and present them to the sheriff, including kicking their head in or shooting them.

when the criminals come before a court, the 2nd abolition comes, which is abolition of prisons, which are fake and lame (and also inhumane) Crime Colleges which serve no purpose whatsoever. anyone who is a perpetual threat to the public can just be executed. criminals just need to be beaten or terrorised by both the people and the law, so punishments should include public corporal punishment, the stocks, forced community service, et cetera. after that you need to make a load of things legal which are currently illegal that don't need to be crimes.

[Cekoviu]

as usual you are all wrong, except Bear Stearns who was partially right

there are two types of crime: crime caused by criminals, and crime caused by normies because low social cohesion. you cant fix low social cohesion in the same way as you fix crime, and for some reason nobody thought that was worth pointing out, so we can address that in another post

the main thing to do to stop crime is to allow the authorities to terrorise criminals. to do this you need to do the 1st of 2 abolitions: abolish police, because police are a lame and fake government bureaucracy that does more or less nothing useful. each local authority tasked with stopping crime should have two departments - the department of criminal investigations, which are just detectives who solve murders or whatever, and then the posse comitatus which in cool english, rather than fake latin, we call "the force of the county." the posse comitatus works because criminals are always (almost) known to the local community as criminals, rather than weird spectres to haunt the street corners

the authority should have the right to invoke posse comitatus to beat the life out of criminals and terrorise them. agents of this authority should be able to summon able bodied males to bring criminals to justice. that means if some dude beats up an old lady on the street the county sheriff calls the nearest people to him, which might be me and bear stearns, and gives us AR15s and orders us to arrest this idiot dead or alive. and if there are criminals around being criminals, normal citizens should be empowered to do whatever they can to arrest them and present them to the sheriff, including kicking their head in or shooting them.

when the criminals come before a court, the 2nd abolition comes, which is abolition of prisons, which are fake and lame (and also inhumane) Crime Colleges which serve no purpose whatsoever. anyone who is a perpetual threat to the public can just be executed. criminals just need to be beaten or terrorised by both the people and the law, so punishments should include public corporal punishment, the stocks, forced community service, et cetera. after that you need to make a load of things legal which are currently illegal that don't need to be crimes.

do you seriously think the authorities and populace acting like this will increase social cohesion? i'm sure beating your neighbors will really help tie together the community

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

most rightists and leftists have never met a criminal, have no idea what they're like or what motivates them other than "studies" which are always sponsored to prove a point that the sponsor wants about criminal justice. if you actually meet some criminals, its apparent most of them do these things because they're just a level below the boundary of "normal integrated person" and "utter fucking nutjob" and just don't really understand what's going on or why they should fit into society - its NOT because theyre poor and NOT because they don't go to school or whatever. these people are 95% of criminals and are incorrigible and just have to be suppressed permanently.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

do you seriously think the authorities and populace acting like this will increase social cohesion?

literally didnt say that

[Cekoviu]

do you seriously think the authorities and populace acting like this will increase social cohesion?

literally didnt say that

some crimes are committed by normies due to low social cohesion & you want to reduce crime
do you see how this might cause someone to assume you would like to improve social cohesion

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

literally didnt say that

some crimes are committed by normies due to low social cohesion & you want to reduce crime
do you see how this might cause someone to assume you would like to improve social cohesion

me: you cant fix low social cohesion in the same way as you fix crime, and for some reason nobody thought that was worth pointing out, so we can address that in another post

[Kowani]

most rightists and leftists have never met a criminal, have no idea what they're like or what motivates them other than "studies" which are always sponsored to prove a point that the sponsor wants about criminal justice. if you actually meet some criminals, its apparent most of them do these things because they're just a level below the boundary of "normal integrated person" and "utter fucking nutjob" and just don't really understand what's going on or why they should fit into society - its NOT because theyre poor and NOT because they don't go to school or whatever. these people are 95% of criminals and are incorrigible and just have to be suppressed permanently.

I’m sure you have evidence for this.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

if you think i have "evidence" to present to you then you obviously didnt read the 1st part lol

[Cekoviu]

some crimes are committed by normies due to low social cohesion & you want to reduce crime
do you see how this might cause someone to assume you would like to improve social cohesion

me: you cant fix low social cohesion in the same way as you fix crime, and for some reason nobody thought that was worth pointing out, so we can address that in another post

that doesn't give you a license to propose a policy that's completely counter to that idea just because "we're not talking about that right now." it's like saying "we need more bunkers, also we need churches but i'll talk about that some other time" and then making the conclusion "we should turn churches into bunkers." it's ridiculous.

[Kowani]

if you think i have "evidence" to present to you then you obviously didnt read the 1st part lol

Oh, I did. But I would like some sort of evidence that every study on the root causes of crime to have been doctored or politically motivated.

[The Marlborough]

literally didnt say that

some crimes are committed by normies due to low social cohesion & you want to reduce crime
do you see how this might cause someone to assume you would like to improve social cohesion

Communities banding together to suppress the nefarious types would actually most likely increase social cohesion. Neighbors would know that they have each others back if they are in trouble. When I was growing up there were no community patrols in my city but now there are plenty and with them has come a greater sense of community and community ties. Usually tied with these patrols are organizations that help new business owners and recent arrivals integrate into the community. It's part of the reason I recently joined the community patrol because I remember the reputation this place had when I was younger; at all times of the day it was dangerous but now it's only dangerous when it gets really dark and that is because of meth addicts, not gang bangers who have largely been chased into the shadows by Ethiopian mothers and their sandals.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

me: you cant fix low social cohesion in the same way as you fix crime, and for some reason nobody thought that was worth pointing out, so we can address that in another post

that doesn't give you a license to propose a policy that's completely counter to that idea just because "we're not talking about that right now." it's like saying "we need more bunkers, also we need churches but i'll talk about that some other time" and then making the conclusion "we should turn churches into bunkers." it's ridiculous.

lol

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

if you think i have "evidence" to present to you then you obviously didnt read the 1st part lol

Oh, I did. But I would like some sort of evidence that every study on the root causes of crime to have been doctored or politically motivated.

why?

[Cekoviu]

that doesn't give you a license to propose a policy that's completely counter to that idea just because "we're not talking about that right now." it's like saying "we need more bunkers, also we need churches but i'll talk about that some other time" and then making the conclusion "we should turn churches into bunkers." it's ridiculous.

lol

good response. i retract my previous statements and, while i am reluctant to admit this, the detailed rebuttal that you have posted here has really led me to reconsider my positions. thank you for helping me to more deeply consider my beliefs.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

lol

good response. i retract my previous statements and, while i am reluctant to admit this, the detailed rebuttal that you have posted here has really led me to reconsider my positions. thank you for helping me to more deeply consider my beliefs.

OK IDC

[Kowani]

Oh, I did. But I would like some sort of evidence that every study on the root causes of crime to have been doctored or politically motivated.

why?

In order to take your argument seriously, evidence pointing to things counter towards it must first be removed from the equation.

[Lucja]

good response. i retract my previous statements and, while i am reluctant to admit this, the detailed rebuttal that you have posted here has really led me to reconsider my positions. thank you for helping me to more deeply consider my beliefs.

OK IDC

Get a room you two.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

why?

In order to take your argument seriously, evidence pointing to things counter towards it must first be removed from the equation.

bizarre

[Cekoviu]

OK IDC

Get a room you two.

[Lucja]

Get a room you two.

First, > duckduckgo

Second, no. The sexual tension is enough to end the fossil fuel industry and seeing this thread makes me want the world to end.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

OK IDC

Get a room you two.

i dont pay for sex

[Kowani]

In order to take your argument seriously, evidence pointing to things counter towards it must first be removed from the equation.

bizarre

Why?

[Lucja]

Get a room you two.

i dont pay for sex

Yeah, based on how you post, you're the one who gets paid for it.

[Cekoviu]

First, > duckduckgo

Second, no. The sexual tension is enough to end the fossil fuel industry and seeing this thread makes me want the world to end.

you'd best shut your mouth or umn is going to get very angry at questers and i wont be able to stop him

Get a room you two.

i dont pay for sex

because not even prostitutes want to fuck you?